Israel lashes out at Vatican after Pope Francis condemns killing of children
Israel lashes out at Vatican after Pope Francis condemns killing of children
The pontiff's condemnation of atrocities in Gaza reveals an increasing anger over Israel's actions in the holy land
Israeli officials fear the pope's vocal criticisms and symbolic gestures - such as this year’s nativity scene in St Peter’s Square featuring baby Jesus resting on a Palestinian keffiyeh - may influence global public opinion.
Created by Bethlehem artists Johny Andonia and Faten Nastas Mitwasi, the nativity scene prominently features Palestinian materials, including olive wood, a symbol of Palestinian resilience.
During its unveiling, Pope Francis condemned the global arms industry for profiting from human suffering and reiterated his call for an end to all wars, urging the faithful to remember those suffering in the holy land.
The display, praised by many as a message of solidarity and peace, drew backlash from Israel’s supporters, who accused the Vatican of promoting a pro-Palestinian agenda.
This is NotTheOnion material. Like, are you actually mad that the fucking Pope is not on board with killing children?
Ofcourse the catholic church is not onboard with murdering children. How will the clergy get laid if all the children are killed?
But on a more serious note, the current pope is actually doing a decent job of calling out atrocities and promoting some of the decent aspects of their faith, and not propping up all of the bad stuff as god's will
Crossposted 👍
Crosspost was removed for being 'Not onion-y'. Oh well.
Despite being highly upvoted and the comment section agreeing with the onion-y-ness as far as I saw. Ridiculous. Still a good post
Remember that part of Jesus's story where he had to flee because a mad king was systematically murdering children because he was scared that the child was "the king of kings".
What a wild parallel.
If you believe in the divine Jesus, and have a decent understanding of history, surely you would know that the man would look more like the average Palestinian than the average Israeli.
When it comes to religion though logic must leave the building.
If you’re on the pro-killing children side, it’s probably time to look in the mirror.
Israel's children killing business is cutting into the church child molesting business. It's a conflict of interest.
HOW CAN YOU CRITICIZE US KILLING CHILDREN????
Because they’re antisemites ofc
Imagine getting upset over "Don't kill children"
Israel thinks this is what's going to give them a poor public opinion!?
So, if not murdering children is pro-Palestinian, then I guess I'm pro-Palestinian.
And logically, that means being pro-Israeli (or at least pro-Israeli government, because I know there are lots of Israelis who are not happy about what their government is doing) is also pro-child-murder. Their logic, not mine!
The vatican is finally right about something, even relevant, for once. Good for them. They have a lot to make up for, and this is a start.
only an anti-semitist would say "don't kill children". they should get him fired for this.
This is probably a good time to mention that Israel, like all developed nations, has been experiencing a slowing birth rate.
This was a problem for them because the birthrate in the occupied territories was higher, and if you can’t maintain a Jewish majority in the country, how can you maintain the country as a Jewish homeland? This existential doom has hung over Israelis like climate change or the heat death of the universe: even if they aren’t destroyed in fire, they’ll simply dissolve over time until they disappear, and it will all be for nothing.
So you know. I’m not saying that killing Palestinian children was the solution they came up with. But the prospect of a justified way to wipe Gaza clean came their way, and it was too important an opportunity to pass up. If some children must be killed in the process, they think, silently, in the quietest corner of their hearts, then so be it.
This isn't some secret. Listen to John Mearsheimer, who has talked about this for years. it is simple logic.
There is about the same number of Arab Palestinians and Western Israelis in the area. So for the Jewish supremacy ethonstate that Israel wants to be there is only three options:
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Indefinite Apartheid. This is extremely costly and as the Arab population keeps growing more and more difficult to maintain. Also it is just preserving the status quo
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Ethnic cleansing. Drive all the Palestinians out. However then your neighbors have to harbor them, they form a resistance there, and they keep demanding their right to return.
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Genocide. By eradicating them all, you get the "final" solution to permanently steal and settle the land.
So what we see is Israel maintaining option 1 and looking to escalate to option 2 and 3 whenever possible. Notice how they first tried to expel the population of Gaza into Egypt? When this option wasn't possible and they knew that their western supporters in the US, UK, Germany and others were okay with genocide, they escalated to genocide.
The only way to get out of this situation with minimizing further destruction and murder is to abandon the Zionist project in favor of a just state that grants equal rights and justice to everyone living in Palestine.
I don’t believe I presented the information as a secret. And I agree with everything else you said. I’m a one-state-solution guy. This does mean that the state won’t have one official ethnicity/culture/religion, but I have no regard for the desire to build a state hegemony.
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I have no proof of this, but I think Israeli intelligence knew the October Hamas attack was coming. Probably didn't realize how severe it was going to be, but they may have wanted it for an excuse for everything they did after.
I can't even wrap my head around what the goal of Hamas was with their attack. Surely they knew that Israel's response would be total insanity. Maybe they're drinking their own koolaid even at the top.
Pretty sure this is common knowledge by now:
Lets not confuse intelligence that something major is going to happen with actionable intelligence where you can preemptively take action to prevent an attack.
Prior to 9-11 there was most definitely increased chatter and I'd hazard a guess that many security and intelligence agencies knew something was going down on US soils but didn't have actionable specifics that would have allowed them to take appropriate action and prevent 9-11.
I think it was a similar issue with Israel and they must have believed that the worse case was an isolated terrorist bombing and to prepare a typical lockdown and emergency services response and not a massive raid on their territories.
Of course they knew, they have one of if not the best secret agency in the world.
Unfortunately the data doesn't support your thesis. child birth graph Haredi jews are having more than double births than the average Israeli Muslim.
Combined (secular etc.) Jewish birth rate is on par (slightly higher) than Israeli Muslims and Palestinians in Gaza. (This was even before all the bullshit started last year)
Well I got this information from some Israelis I guess you’d describe as “secular Jews” so their POV agrees with their data point in your graph anyway.
Still not shown by this data though, is the birth rate in the territories. I’m not talking about Israeli Arabs and wasn’t before either. It would also help to have some sense of proportion. Haredi Jews are 13% so although their birthrate is high it doesn’t characterize Jews as a whole.
But thanks for providing at least some data here.
What, Israel counts as developed nation?
There's nothing that says victims can't become aggressors. This is true for individuals as well as large groups of people, including nation-states. A child who was abused can become an abusive parent. A religious group that was persecuted for years can become an oppressor. Jews were victims of a genocide a few years ago, and were persecuted for years and years before in Europe, but Israel is not a victim anymore and the rest of the world should tell it to stop acting like one because they are the one commiting genocide.
Bethlehem was and is in Palestine.
Those assholes have used that word so much its lost all meaning.
Way to tell on yourself, Israel.
Pope antisemite? Incoming
100% … I’m actually shocked they haven’t already said it.
Israeli government says the tradition of spitting on christians is not a criminal act at all. I imagine spitting on jews though, is terrorism.
Ben Gvir had previously defended the act of spitting on Christians as “an ancient Jewish custom”.
"Police have reportedly not been taking the attacks seriously, refusing to treat the incidents as part of a trend and downplaying the culprits' motives by saying they are carried out due to "mental illness"."
from https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-spitting-christians-jerusalem-not-criminal-ben-gvir
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"Being spat and shouted at by Israelis has become, for some Christians, “a daily occurrence”
Is there a word for a "what the fuck" feeling, quickly replaced by "I'm not surprised"?
Takes a special kind of genocidal asshole to be upset at a message calling for NOT killing kids.
"If you kill them you have fun only once!"
The Pope.
"stop killing them before we get a chance to rape them!"
The pope is fine with Ukrainian children being murdered tho….
Fuck the pope and his piece of shit “religion”. Obligatory fuck Israel/IDF
Was he fine with it?
He never was okay with it. He has been calling for peace since it started. People just are using the fact that he's calling for peace talks over 2 years later as a sign he's okay with them having done what they've done, when he was calling for peace last year, the year before, months after it happened and condemned the actions of the government/ political figures who led to the war.
Overall he has just been anti war. People would say that is avoiding nuisance or not casting responsibility on a specific group maybe, but unless you are looking for the Pope to call for holy wars, that's all you can really ask for. It's a religion. It will make money before and after the war, and no one should really care what he thinks in my opinion, because God has never stopped war in history, and never will. So why anyone assumes the someone who represents the word of God would stop war, is a strange concept.
No one is saying "God is fine with genocide in ____". Because honestly, that would make just about as much sense to say the Pope is fine with it.
I don't know. What's my preconceived notion and which answer would fit it best?
Please don't do that whataboutism, it's so low grade propaganda crap.
Both are obviously valid concerns (and yes both are genocides) but it adds nothing good trying to fight about who has it worse, they are both worse but in this thread we talk about the pope, palestine, Israel, not russia and Ukraune.
How so? I think he said he wanted the war in Ukraine because of the opposite. It's basically the same anti-war stance as his views on this topic.
