"Pro-life" woman seeks abortion and gets denied

Literally the Republican Way™©®
It disgusts me to no end. "It's wrong and should be punished until it happens to me!"
Saving this! Who knows when it might come in handy…

Privileged people do get an exception - they can afford to fly to another state for an abortion.

People like this think they're part of the in group because they're white or christian, but the only war is class war. To our rulers we're all the enemy.

My fucking Trumpy brother in law has this attitude. He lives in the south, votes for Trump, and has a wife, two daughters, and a son. His wife has had a couple of complicated pregnancies that, had they happened now in the place they currently live, could well have resulted in her death. His attitude when asked 'what if one of your daughters gets raped?' is to say he can just fly her somewhere else to get an abortion, because he has money. Fuck you, dude.
- These are people who don't want rights, they want privileges. They don't want equality, they want hierarchy. They can't say "gimme gimme", they say "take America back".
  From who? Americans. They want to take what you have. Now that Republicans control the Federal Government they will start to take from each other.
  This literally happened during the first Trump administration. Does no Trump supporter remember how they all fought for attention and sucked so badly?
- Yeah, if you can get a MAGAt to be honest with you, at some point, the core of what they want comes down to, "I support Trump because I want people who are different than me to have more misery in their life than I do."
  If that means taking on some extra misery themselves, be so be it, as long as it's even worse for them.
  It's a sad type of cruelty.
Many states put a bounty on anyone found to be helping someone travel out of state to get an abortion.
- States specifically target liberal groups for harassment and penalty. Conservative physicians will be ignored.
  The point of these witch hunts is to torment opposition groups.
- I know Texas does this, but do other states?
Texas also has many local abortion travel bans so you can be punished for using their roads while going to the other states if you can't afford to fly over them.

I love that they referred her to an anti-abortion crisis center, because there's a 99% chance they'll just tell her the same "pro-life" garbage she's been spewing and send her ass home.

Remember, God makes no mistakes 🤗

I really do hate myself for a lack of sympathy in this situation, but these people need to experience what they’re doing to everyone else.
What’s sad is that people who agree with her won’t see the threat to her life as a valid reason either. They don’t know her so they don’t care for her. They’ll lump her in with the people they torment outside of Planned Parenthood regularly.
Just another woman who spread her legs and is too cowardly to accept the will of god.
I’ll be honest, I’m burned out. I need a break from morons and their stories. I really do.
- I have accepted that two things can be trust at once: I can be sad for her and amused at the leopard eating her face. I have no problem containing both of those emotions at the same time without hating myself one ounce.
  jumper
- I've given up on being sympathetic for people who actively try to put these things in place. Like, I'm just jaded now. You voted for this. Congratulations, if this is fatal for your stupid decisions, that's on you. I'm sympathetic to the people with brains who knew this would happen, those people get my sympathy and caring.
- Sometimes people have to get hurt before they learn a lesson.
- Don’t feel bad. Everyone has limits. At some point you have to worry about yourself and those around you.
- Don't worry, they're all gonna feel the pain when the plans for tariffs, deportations, and budget cuts are implemented and everything costs more (so much is imported and no Americans are going to pick crops) and everyone has less money (they're looking at benefits, VA, and federal employment cuts). Maybe they'll cry He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting. but my hope is they learn who to never elect again at all levels of government.
  It's going to be a rough 2 years until the midterms when we flip one of the chambers of Congress and stop any more insanity, but we'll survive. And if we do what we can, we'll get back what's ours and then some in 4 years.

For what it's worth, this particular case happened 2 years ago, in Missouri:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/10/15/missouri-abortion-ban-pregnancy-complications/10496559002/

Good lemming. Keep doing good things.
From the article:
She was already at "risks of maternal thrombosis given her history of (deep vein thrombosis during a COVID-19 infection)
Why do I picture this lady as an anti-vaxxer & anti-masker?
- 80% white. 40% with a high school education or less.
  In 2022, over 100 anti-vaccination protesters rallied at the state Capitol against health director Donald Kauerauf's confirmation, despite his opposition to mask and vaccine mandates. Protesters displayed signs reading "God-given natural immunity" and "We're not guinea pigs."
  In 2024, House Bill 1424 was introduced to prohibit COVID-19 vaccination requirements for transportation access. Missouri Senators Josh Hawley and Eric Schmitt co-sponsored federal legislation to ban mask mandates through 2024.
  The state as a whole gives a certain vibe..
Nutpicking. For every "Haha! Instant Karma! Suck it, idiots!" front page circle jerk, a thousand conservatives will get abortions under the table without a problem.
You've got to go two years back on this shit because its ultimately the exception, not the rule.
- because its ultimately the exception, not the rule.
  I think that's what makes it notable enough to be reported on?

The only moral abortion is my abortion!

Hope she learns from this shit that her choices have consequences. Vote better next time

She won't
- Judging her type if I had to place a bet the next thing she's gonna do is trying to sue the next best (probably innocent) person for the biggest bullshit reasons just to feel better. (And maybe go to a more liberal state to get an abortion)
I wonder if it was more an assumption that the rules only applied to viable pregnancies.
I mean I'm pro-choice but I'd assume anyone pushing to ban abortion is aiming to prevent viable pregnancies from being terminated while still allowing medically necessary or unviable pregnancies to be terminated.
- Youd be quite disappointed
- Nah. The point of this is to punish women for having sex.
  If they die, the harlot shouldn’t have spread her legs.
  If she was raped - no she wasn’t.
  The whole point is to punish women for taking control of our bodies and then becoming full citizens. Cis white men HATE women.

Reminds me of brexit. You were warned, lady. You just chose not to listen because you didn’t think it would have a negative impact on you.

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

-Francis M. Wilhoit

The Only Moral Abortion is My Own.

For the curious: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/

"First they came for..." you fucking ghouls.

You signed a death warrant for us all and for our children's supposed future, and your ignorance and cowardice was the ink.

And just in case anyone had any hope of the next generation fixing things... they're also targeting education.
- Targeted for decades, just now finishing the job with singling out option for education to only vouchers to religious schools. Even then, they will slowly decrease value of vouchers so eventually you are out of pocket for a poor quality education and religious indoctrination as cherry on top.

And nothing was actually learned.

So she got what she voted for? I don't see an issue

Schadenfreude!

ETA: I’ll take the downvotes on this one. Shower your disapproval. Fuck this lady and her leopard eaten face.

Oh my god the end of that article is brutal... Yes, leopards eating faces and all, but holy shit that response was heartless

They believe she is a piece of trash, not a person, so what did she expect to be treated like. Used her for her vote, and then threw her away.
She did it to herself. Not a drop of sympathy from me.

"Farmer" and "White". Name a more American duo

"Things that really should not be run for profit" and "running them for profit anyway because socialism bad"
Hey, Gary Farmer is a national treasure, and he was Native American!
Edit: Ah shit my bad, he's Canadian. Still North America...
Hotdogs and beer?
Guns and Ammo.

"then connected Farmer with an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center in the state"

I can imagine how that conversation went: "I know its risking not only your reproductive organs, but also your life. However, have you considered carrying the child to term so she can die in your arms shortly afterward so you can 'pwn the libs'? Think about their tears!"

When was this? A lot of these posts from the last decade are resurfacing now (for obvious reasons)

Looks like Oct. 18, 2022 according to the source article listed elsewhere in the comments.

And she will go back to being a piece of shit after her ordeal, assuming she survives.

This may get downdooted to oblivion, but I think some of this is human nature. It is abhorrent, and something we need to strive to fix, but it is rather natural for people to think that their own situation is typical -- because for them, it is. Every exemplar that a privileged person will have is also a privileged exemplar -- until, of course, something like this happens.

And as a further consequence, it is extremely difficult to convince someone that their personal situation is not the norm. Everyone wants to be the main character and ultimately believes that they are.

Not sure what the solution is.

Provide testing for logic, critical thinking, and empathy in order to vote?
Stop making excuses for stupid people that hold back the progress of mankind?
- Oh, I'm not trying to make excuses. Though I can appreciate that it looks like that.
  But how do we restrict the stupid people? If we agree that every human gets to take part, then it follows that the stupid will be voting.
  I don't think a litmus test is the answer, since they are extremely easy to misuse. Why not say only landowners should vote? How about only veterans? It's a dangerous path.
- then who determines what is logical or empathetic ? i hope ur joking...
- Why put it all on the stupid people? It’s at least as much a problem with people not being accountable for their words, the death of objective and traditional media, the loss of distinction between news and opinion.
  The problem with Trump being elected is not just the stupid people who thought that was a good idea but the things he can get away with saying, lack of trusted reporting or fact checking.
- I guess instead of reading a few books, we'll all just have to make the same mistakes that we've already made, again, in order to learn anything... Yeah sure, dude, let's start making people take tests before they can vote. What could go wrong?
Reading.
We need everyone to read more books. A wide variety of stories on a wide variety of topics by a wide variety of authors, all with different backgrounds and ideas. We must read stories that let us temporarily step into the mind and experiences of other people, who aren't us, to train our brains the ability to understand the plights of others. Books of human stories, as opposed to movies, doom-scrolling TikTok, etc., seems uniquely suited for this kind of training of empathy, because the stories are executed inside our own brains.
I'm willing to bet that these why-are-the-leopards-suddenly-eating-my-face? the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion type people have read distinctly less, or at least far less varied, stories than us who look at them and wonder how it is possible to be so unable to put themselves in the shoes of anyone but themselves.
I get your point, but i think people are not consistent with this. Who gets or doesnt get sympathy is entirely emotional.
Ive had people say that refugees are at fault for not getting their papers in order in time and shut be deportet over it and then go on to talk about how for them as citizens it is impossible with the low staffed and inefficient government offices these days.
They willfully ignore that their problems with the bureaucracy could exist for other people too. And we are not even talking about acknowledgong it to be worse. Just simply transferring their life experience onto other people like you describe.
I don't think it's more human mature than the opposite is.
Most of us are capable of reasoning and of empathy. We can hear a doctor say "there's cases where it's necessary" and think "yeah, makes sense" or "I trust their expertise".
Not being able to see past oneself seems like a very limited view. There's reasons for that of course. but it's a failure of education and social surroundings. And it's not inherent.
This is an explanation of human perception and behaviour, there is nothing controversial about it and easily understood. It is also true that if you stick someone in a creepy haunted house they will naturally feel scared even though it's Halloween and it's perfectly safe. The issue is not that humans have these natural tendencies that lead to logical fallacies, the issue is that humans have the capacity to be meta aware of them, process them, and situate them appropriately--skills developed through education and practice/experience--yet we have sociopolitocal movements that encourage the opposite for the benefit of the rich and powerful.
Just for your info: There is no "downdooted to oblivion" on Lemmy. Up- and downvotes for comments have almost no effect.
- Yes thanks, and I know that. I'm not going for updoots, but I do like to see them.

I am rapidly running out of sympathy for such people. I still have some, but I am rapidly running out.

Classic FAFO

Rules for thee, but not for me.

Kristen Bell; she and her, now husband, Dax Woods made one of my favorite movies. Hit and Run. It's a car chase and road trip movie that is also left wing. Mostly a guy's movie, but homosexuality is dealt with grace and humor. It's really funny and smart. My fifteen year old son loved it. Positive masculinity is shown.

I was going to make a leopards ate my face joke, but then I realized this IS the LAMF group!

this is missouri.

i bet this woman still voted against amendment 3.

A medical form field we need is "what did you learn?"

Womp womp

She probably still believes all the bullshit too. "too many women are just getting post birth abortions for the funsies" Just the fakest stupidest lies.

From your link:
"At the time of the discussion, Farmer was medically stable, with some vaginal bleeding that was not heavy. “Therefore contrary to the most appropriate management based (sic) my medical opinion, due to the legal language of MO law, we are unable to offer induction of labor at this time,” the report quotes the specialist as saying."
So yes, the law did prevent an abortion and endangered her life.
She is suing because she expected an exception for herself.
Yeah but I can't blame the doctors for refusing, when in doubt a right wing jury without medical training will decide if it was an emergency or not, and your freedom depends on their verdict.
- Doctors swear an oath, "first, do no harm." So yes we can blame the doctors!
  Doctors are supposed to behave ethically regardless of the law. This is not a new thing! Doctors providing appropriate treatment despite the law is a very fucking long tradition in medicine.
What defines a medical emergency in rhe eyes of the law? How many hospitals are going to perform an abortion they deem a medical emergency only to be potentially sued by an AG who disagrees that it was medically necessary?
So if the law didn't exist there'd be nothing to misjudged...

So did she lose her uterus? That would be great actually.

And she learns nothing

Hmmm. This sounds a lot like Karma.

Jaguar problem?

Good. I hope she suffers. She is apparently one of the knuckle draggers who can only learn the hard way.

she won't. if she survives she'll just go back to her old self calling other abortion seekers evil or sluts.
even when they had the right, that's what they did as they are leaving the abortion clinic after having had one themselves ... there's a massive disconnect in the brain.

Makes you wonder how Ms "pretty pro-life" votes

Now I do know and understand the risks along with what is involved with a hysterectomy, but her age along with her political stance brings some questions.

With her being 'mostly pro-life'... Was she against contraception? Did she get pregnant on purpose? Did she know the level of risk to the mother and fetus with a pregnancy after 40? She said she was worried about losing her uterus... Was she wanting to get pregnant again? Did she know she's just around the corner from menopause? Being around her age, the option for freezing one's eggs can be a viable option, especially with the possibility of needing a hysterectomy. Would she be against a surrogate pregnancy?

Leopards eating their faces as usual.

If her pregnancy was such a health risk she should have taken personal responsibility and not had intercourse with any man who has not had a vasectomy.

This just shows her moral turpitude and adds to the argument that women shouldn’t even be able to vote!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahah