Colorado teen shot in the face by town councilman after going to home to ask permission to take homecoming photos
Colorado teen shot in the face by town councilman after going to home to ask permission to take homecoming photos
"oh shit my gun just went off"
fucking hilarious how effortless it is for them to alternate between "guns don't kill people" and "oh shit it wasn't me--the gun did it!!!"
but seriously-- if you live anywhere near bumfuck tumptown hickville, for fucks sake tell your kids not to go up on anyone's property. i live in one of these areas, and the government couldn't hire anyone to go door to door doing census count for that one reason. they. will. fucking. kill you
When i was young, the US were famous for how friendly the people were and that you could just knock on any door and they'd help you. The "conservatives" have really done a number on you guys.
It seems like that's more of a way for him to avoid responsibility for it than anything else.
South Park called it in its first fucking season.
Nothing they say is in good faith, ever. It's all about exploiting the situation.
The teen is recovering.
In case you were wondering
Thank you
Brent Metz is accused of shooting a 17-year-old in the face after the teenager trespassed on a property to find a homeowner and inquire about taking homecoming photos there. (Jackson County Sheriffs Office)
Trespassing? So walking to someones door looking for the owner of the house is now Trespassing? Wtf
Not a lawyer. By the letter of the law, yes.
They had to jump the fence - presumably the gate was secured - in order to get to the house. Further, they walked around the property looking for the owner. This looks to anyone without more knowledge, very much like trespassing.
Just my 2 cents, I'm not trying to defend or accuse anyone.
It doesn't look like trespassing, it was trespassing, and particularly suspicious at that. If he'd shot him after they hopped the fence it'd be one thing, but that's not what happened. He shot the kid after they'd gotten back in the car and left the property.
Not trying to but you literally did
2 cents has different value around the world. To me yours currently is worth a lot.
Oh s---, my gun just went off
Weird, I'd been told they don't do that.
I guarantee there was a lack of trigger discipline at play
It's way more than just trigger discipline. There's the traditional rules of course:
But there's also reasonable shit beyond the 5 basic rules:
"Guns don't kill people." But only because this boy survived.
Generally they don't. There are a few certain models, like the Sig P320, that have some kind of deficiency where it can go off if bumped in just the right way. It's very, very rare, but it still happens much more often than others (due to it being a design defect and not a manufacturing defect, I believe).
What are the odds that the teen is darker than a peach color?
I’m betting he fired without even looking then realized what he had done.
Oh definitely. Dude thought "wow this is my chance to be a hero", I'm sure.
This is the inevitable outcome of the combination of the proliferation of guns in the US + the over-the-top fearmongering of certain high-profile personalities (specifically on the right). It was never going to end any other way.
Scare people into thinking everyone is out to get them and tell them they have to arm themselves, and you get tragedies like this: the guy that shot a teenaged girl through his front door when she was looking for help. This kid shot in the face looking for a place to take pictures.
People like Tucker Carlson and all similar scaremongers (too many to name) are partly to blame for this. I’m old enough to remember the red scare, where average people thought communists were hiding in every suburban neighbourhood, and also the satanic panic – this is all that but on steroids.
Everyone isn’t out to get you. They never were. But people are becoming millionaires by riling people into killing each other *for no reason *, and unlike back then, now everyone is armed and convinced to shoot first like every place is the fucking OK Corral.
e: and to add a layer of irony, yes, Wild West high-noon shootouts are the same kind of myth-sayings as boiling frogs – pretty much all old west towns required you to surrender your guns to the sheriff on entry. Things were actually safer back then.
As someone who grew up near those wild west towns and have a lot of roots out here, yeah it's a myth, most people I knew growing up didn't even hunt, and most hunters I knew owned two guns tops and it WASN'T their personality, inviting you over to eat venison was their personality.
It’s not even a Wild West town, it’s conifer. It’s a rich person Mecca. Anyone that has a gun up there is most likely just using it to scare off wolves or bears, but not actually hunting (source, my in-laws live there).
I spent a lot of my childhood in Arizona, and we did field trips in school to ‘ghost towns’ (e: the old west towns), Montezuma’s Castle (back when you could actually walk through it before vandals ruined it for everyone), and Pueblo ruins with indigenous living history reenactors.
I never even saw a modern gun in person until I was 16. It just wasn’t a thing. And yet we managed to survive.
Yeah, grandmother grew up in a family that had been poor farmers outwest, and midwest for a long time. They had like 10 guns, but that is because there was one rifle per person over the age of 12, plus a couple shotguns. Not for like having a shoot-out, but for killing problematic predators. Only my great grandfather had a hand gun, and he only had that because it was a gift from someone he did a bunch of work for. He rarely took it out of the box.
Or come help me butcher this boar and I'll let you take home a couple pounds of sausage.
It wasn’t even his house; it was his girlfriend’s. She thought they were trespassers, she called him for help (she also called the sheriff) and he showed up pointing a gun.
We need to admit that some of the people fanatical about guns... really want to kill someone with one.
I was going to say that "stand your ground" laws shouldn't exist when so many people are terrified of shadows.
But that's it isn't it? If they're terrified of shadows then a gun and a power fantasy is the answer.
This isn't even stand your ground or castle doctrine or anything. The homeowner wasn't even home and they were outside the front gate when shot. That's the craziest part to me, absolutely no one was in danger until the dude showed up.
When thinking you are the good guy with a gun goes wrong....
This is why stand your ground laws can't realistically exist in places that aren't sparsely populated. Because someone will read "defend your property and life with force if necessary" as "act as a raging lunatic and attempt to shoot anyone who comes at the door because it's legal to do so if you claim you were defending your property, even though there was no indication of actual imminent danger to property or people".
In my country we don't have stand your ground laws. You can only defend yourself in case of an attack, but not drive away a thief. You're supposed to run and call the police, but I keep wondering if a legal framework like the US where you weren't legally punished for attacking a thief in your house wouldn't be fairer but then there's news like this.
You are acting as if it were actually complicated. Requiring no duty to retreat makes perfect sense in your own home. The law most sane places says you have to be in a situation where a reasonable person would be in fear for life or bodily injury.
Note "reasonable person" is a common legal standard. A reasonable person doesn't think someone outside is automatically a threat. People who shiit then ask questions go to jail.
Why should someone who is already breaking the law also enjoy the power of legal coercion to force you from a place you had the legal right to be, though?
“Well, we don’t want the situation to escalate. Someone could get hurt.” Why should the law protect only the welfare of criminals? Of the person actively breaking the law?
The issue with “Stand your Ground” laws is that the alternative is nonsensical if your view expands to include the rights and welfare of people who act consistent with the law.
Because human life is more valuable than things.
You should be able to use reasonable force. If you're trying to subdue a homicidal maniac then you can choke them unconscious or knock them unconscious or kill them if that's all you have means to do. But if you just have someone who wants to be rude and yell in your face, then you don't have a right to kill them.
I think it depends on who causes the confrontation and who is escalating the situation to different levels of violence.
Also, I think there's different ways to interpret stand your ground as a concept. You can stand your ground and use reasonable force to secure your safety. You should not be able to stand your ground and murder someone so as not to inconvenience yourself if you don't want to take a step back or move out of someone's way for example.
Well, there ya go. All the proof you need that there’s clearly no gun problem in America.
/s
EDIT: I’d love for the cowards downvoting this to step up and be heard. Come on, speak your mind.
That teen is lucky to have survived. Getting shot in the face is incredibly lethal.
Is it? I heard the opposite. A lot of people live through suicide maimed because the bullet ricocheted off their skull. Supposedly, there are better ways to off yourself that I won’t specify here
So I'm reading idiot who can't read a situation and who is super scared, also has shit trigger discipline and as a result a kid was injured and possibly damaged for life... we really need to at the very least make training a requirement, even just a written exam would help...
we really need to at the very least make training a requirement, even just a written exam would help…
Cue gun nuts, "...shall not be infringed!"
Cue anyone sane: "Well-regulated."
I mean. I have a lot of guns (mostly inherited), but mu family taught me safety, storage, etc. No crazy mods, just magazines, grips and such. Meanwhile my friends when they turned 18 were packing in their pants and shooting eouble barreled derringers and shit. Another friend and I took them to a range and had to teach them safety so they wouldn't hurt themselves.
You can’t train out the stupid.
I’ve taken regular gun safety classes. They’re less stringent than a driver’s ed class. It’s like taking the driver safety class after you’ve gotten a ticket. Yeah, yeah…let’s just get through this shit so I can get back to whatever.
I live in a state with an online training requirement and it's a joke. The employees at sporting goods stores actually encouraged me to quickly click through to the end and print the results.
As someone who supports firearm ownership, I also believe it should require a background check, a thorough psychological evaluation, and equally thorough, in-person safety training and testing, all repeated periodically in order to maintain ownership.
All he had to go off was a vehicle with 2 teenagers inside and the call from his girlfriend that there were trespassers on the property. Depending on what exactly was said on the call and what happened between him blocking the vehicle in and the shot, he might just have shit trigger discipline and his girlfriend is the one who is super scared of anyone she sees on their security cameras. He is still an idiot for trying to block their vehicle in any case though.
This crazy fuck was on the city council?
Have you seen the kind of people who much of the US likes to elect?
Oh shit, my gun just went off
I'm not sure what he was expecting the gun to do. You never point at anything or anyone you don't intend to destroy. Treat every gun as if it has a hair-trigger.
Reminder that guns don't just "go off" and anyone that suggests this should be disregarded as the nincompoop they very clearly are.
guns certainly do "just go off"
That's why you secure them, unload them, store them safely.
Pointing a gun at something should be treated with the same severity as pointing it at something and pulling the trigger. Yes, police included.
If I can't Shoot a Teenager in the Face you're INFRINGING ON MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS! Now let me Save The Children!
Clearly no gun problem in America
No
Confiscate the fucking town councilman's guns, prosecute the dumbass for attempted murder and hopefully the teen will sue the living shit out of him.
I guess that's a "no."
These fuckeits refuse to ever just let a situation de-escalate on its own
Like, you drive there to make them leave, prevent them from leaving. And shoot at the fucking driver before speaking to them.
We can't ignore the real life consequences of all this fucking fear mongering.
They don't want to deescalate. They already had a big celebration planned in their head for murdering someone before they even do the act. They want to kill people so they can look like some hero. These people are sick and as far as I'm concerned their punishment should equal their crime.
"Yay, I get to legally murder someone today! This'll shut up my hippy liberal relatives" -Metz, shortly before pulling up to the teen's car
Current report is the gun accidentally went off. Dude deserves the books thrown at him though. Kids where already off his property and honestly where not a threat in the first place. This is like that one story where the dude shot at a car turning around in his driveway.
As someone who owns multiple guns both for sport and hunting these are the people that should not ever own one!!!
Nope. Point a gun at someone only if you’re expecting to shoot.
Not his property. His gf's property. Dude has no legal right whatsoever to guard property that isn't his own, does he?
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The kids did trespass by hopping a fence, I'm guessing his defense is going to be he was just trying to hold them there for police but accidentally discharged his weapon into a kids face. The fuckwit is really lucky the kid lived.
I can't understand the idiotic appeal of inserting yourself into these situations when the police are already on the way and there's no danger to yourself to just waiting and letting them handle it.
The victim can and probably sue them in the civil courts for damages.
Sounds like unlawful imprisonment to me. I'm sure he will be prosecuted for that (NOT).