Anon doesn't like reddit

4chan was hating on Reddit before it was cool

Reddit is cool?
- Ah, the ol’ lemmy switcheroo!
- I think they meant that hating on reddit is cool.
Yeah but what good has ever come from 4chan?
Always seemed like a place for people to be subversive and provide a haven for hate and degeneracy.

updoots encourages circlejerk

I mean, making a post about hating on Reddit, on Lemmy, is pretty circlejerky too at this point.

true.
anyway, fuck spez.
- 70 >:)
I mean, making a post about hating on Reddit, on Lemmy, is pretty circlejerky too at this point.
There's a key difference, at least when it comes to hating Reddit.
Most [all?] users here have actual, informed reasons to hate Reddit, from past experiences with the site. They aren't simply joining some bandwagon due to social expectations to bend to the crowd.

Whenever I stumble on reddit I make sure to post disinformation or some kind of dumb shit to throw a wrench into the LLM training data they sell to google.

Make sure to have some LLM generate the comment for you, as LLMs learning synthetic data may fuck them up over time: AI models fed AI-generated data quickly spew nonsense
- I hate to ruin this for you, but if you post nonsense, it will get downvoted by humans and excluded from any data set (or included as examples of what to avoid). If it's not nonsensical enough to be downvoted, it still won't do well vote wise, and will not realistically poison any data. And if it's upvoted... it just might be good data. That is why Reddit's data is valuable to Google. It basically has a built in system for identifying 'bad' data.
this is an ancient and noble practice known as shitposting, no need to call it something else :)

"ruins the Internet"? This coming from 4chan? That's rich

4chan is kinda the sump of the Internet. All the crud sinks there.
- Shit usually floats.
4chan, in part, ruined real life. So much of the initial meme buzz around Trump came directly from 4chan - god emperor, etc. /b/ and /pol/ had large coordinated campaigns to boost Trump for lulz and to fuck with people. These made the news occasionally and were sometimes quite wide-reaching. Edit: not to forget Qanon, pizzagate, etc.
Additionally, 4chan is responsible for a massive swathe of meme culture more broadly. Most people don't dredge its depths or even know "the hacker named 4chan" exists, but it has been a massively influential force.
- imo redditors and 4channers think too highly of themselves if they believe they have real influence on elections. Most people aren't online (except for Facebook), and politics are much more readily explained by material causes such as the Dems fcking up the post 2008 economic recovery and going for austerity instead of investment. The biggest proximate cause (non-material/economic) is just that hilldawg ran a bad campaign that didn't focus enough on swing states (but she won the popular vote, congratulations).
4chan doesn't nearly have the kind of traffic to ever have ruined the internet.
- It used to. Used to be the #1 most visited website worldwide for many years.

Reddit doesn’t even like Reddit.

It's like a teenager.

So many on Reddit bitch and moan about reddit. Just delete your account and use alternatives if you hate it so much.

I was one of those. Before Lemmy, nothing was truly an alternative for Reddit. There were alternative Twitter-like sites up the ass and Facebook; but nothing similar to Reddit's layout/presentation.

Forgot

APIcalypse
sold user content to AI
let's only Google index.

• A website built by unpaid users and mods that Reddit wants to profit off of.

I miss the IMDB discussions under each film..

Was great to finish a film and have a question or and ideas and be able to talk about it.

It's not exactly a replacement, but TV tropes provides a lot of satisfaction on this front.
We have discussion posts from time to time on !movies@lemm.ee

Restricting search results to reddit is still a nice way to filter out corporate junk and just get honest end user opinion on things. As much as I hate the management of the platform now, you have to remember that Reddit didn't always used to be shit. Aaron Swartz was a co-founder.

Aaron Swartz was a co-founder.
Swartz has been six feet under for longer than some Lemmyites have been alive.
It is rapidly becoming an unviable way to find info these days. I have to specifically ignore anything from the past couple years.
at this point I get like 75% fuck spez/etc post edits instead
- Eh, I still get Reddit results through DDG. They may not be fresh, but they seem to still be in the index, and honestly, that's fine because I only really care about the older content.
You still have to filter through bots posing as real people replies on some posts high in google results

I use it less and less. I only really visit two sub reddit, and one of them has been really declining as it has grown.

If you use Inoreader, you can just skip going to it for the most part.
- Please elaborate
To be fair reddit is still better than some instances of lemmy

I've made an active effort to bookmark any active forums I come across. Even Lemmy doesn't quite fill the niche that actual forums provide, though it is still useful.

Lemmy still has a lot of problems reddit does, just smaller and weirder. It's probably not possible to create a "perfect" social media platform, but there still seems like room for a new type of social network that's federated but isn't a clone of something else.
What's your favorite forum?
- Civfanatics. I actually joined up long before I ever signed up for Reddit. It's probably the one site besides Youtube that I've consistently used since middle school.
I still use reddit for looking up information even after deleting my account. Yesterday i decided i wanted to compile the zen kernel for fedora. And reddit had the best guide for doing so. And what settings were worth a damn.

"Ruins the internet"

I happen to remember the forum culture of the mid-late 2000s. It wasn't that great.

I do recall that people were extraordinarily toxic online. Reddit for a few years was a breath of fresh air but then got too big.
It was better though. Wouldn't call it good. But definitely better.
- Gotta disagree with that. I remember the rampant elitism and tribalism, the shock-culture, isolation of communities, casual bigotry that would make modern 4chan blush, arbitrary forum rules irregularly enforced, etc etc etc.
  For all the modern internet's problems, its communities are much more connected, it's much more accessible and less elitist, that shock-culture died out, the casual bigotry became contentious instead of accepted, and corporate running the show on most of these sites means that appeals and reversals are much easier than when you would rub some mod the wrong way and get permabanned from a forum you were a long-time member of. Never happened to me, but I saw it numerous times.
Wish I could experience it
- It had unique pieces, and a lot that I genuinely miss. But... there was also a LOT of bullshit that wouldn't pass muster nowadays.

It's gonna die like Digg or Fark ... Which are still around, but shells of their former selves. TBH most normal folks haven't even heard of Reddit, let alone Lemmy or Mastodon.

I disagree with you on how well known Reddit is, it's been mentioned in enough news stories over the years that most people have heard of it, even if they've never been there.
- Yeah, the name was picking up steam. If they hadn't fucked it up that name would be been gold in 1 or 2 years.
Since about 2018, I’ve gotten the sense that most internet users know about Reddit, but are embarrassed to admit they know about Reddit.
AI means Reddit will always look alive at a glance.
Like you still get some people complaining that lemmy isn’t active enough for them to leave Reddit, even though they’re just hanging out with bots all day.

Nobody likes reddit. Nobody. Everyone is just stuck with it and spez's dumbass moneygrubbing bullshit.

I wonder how long that'll last now that's it a public company (or will be? I actually haven't kept up on it too much)

bans controversial subreddits

They are ruining valuable conversation by banning GasTheKikes and Jailbait. My free speech!!! /s

Will the bots be what ends it?

Eventually it'll be all bots jerking themselves off
- AI really is taking our jobs, huh?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory
Half the users may as well be bots anyway, it's just dorks yelling the same catch phrases at each other in the comments.

My account has been banned for like 2 years but I can still watch porn so idc.

Look, I also left Reddit because it got worse, but this just reads like "I said something racist and people got mad" to me.

They will also just casually full bore ban you because you were mass reported.

That's what someone I talked to theorized happened to me.

I was banned for posting "I think my right to punch Nazis should be protected by law".

Not kill, murder, maim, I didn't even name any groups where there was a lick of grey area, Nazis, the one group that since WWII, everyone has agreed are alright as a universal bad guy.

I had a 10+ year old account with like 1.5m karma get full stop banned for reasons behind my comprehension. I wasn't doing any overt racism, misogyny, violent rabble rousing... Nothingworse than vehemently disagreeing with somebody and calling them an idiot or a clown.
I only suspect I triggered a nerve which got me mass reported to an extent that I got caught in the dragnet. Being disagreeable was a ban worthy offensive maybe??
Overly sensitive fuckwits with brittle feelings. I am the same ol' dumbass I always was but the culture shifted towards "business casual" away from being more like "diet 4chan"
- I had an account of similar magnitude banned. Why? Because on January 6th, on the very day, I wondered aloud why there weren't soldiers repelling the crowd of insurrectionists trying to overthrow our democracy with machine gun fire. I'm sorry, but if a crowd of thousands of people shows up with the intent of hanging the vice president and overthrowing the government? Well, you made your choice if you're in that group. The correct response to a group like that is to first give them plenty of warning. But if they persist, use whatever force is necessary to repel them.
  Other things I've been banned for:
  Telling an overt bigot posting in an LGBT sub to go kindly "go die in a fire."
  Suggesting, before the ruling, that if SCOTUS ruled that the president was completely above the law that he should simply drone strike Supreme Court justices to produce a majority on the court that would repeal his new powers.
  Evading bogus bans.
  At this point I've got a lifetime ban from there. And you know what? I'm fine with it. The policies on reddit remind me of the blind "zero tolerance" policies that have screwed over so many in American high schools. When I was in high school years ago, the standard was "zero tolerance" for violence of any kind. If a bully attacked a victim, they would both get in trouble. Being the victim was no defense. It was zero tolerance, zero thought. And that is the standard that is now used on reddit. They'll still allow racist dogwhistles and entire subreddits run by hate groups, but as long as you don't cross a handful of explicit lines, you're fine. You can openly celebrate the deaths of tens of thousands of people in Gaza, but tell one bigot to go die in a fire, and suddenly you're banned.