Well that was predictable
Well that was predictable
According to the debate, they had their reasons. But still -- when one hundred and eighty six nations say one thing, and two say another, you have to wonder about the two.
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In this country
We believe
Guns are a right
Food is not
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Let them eat guns?
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Let them eat guns!
-Marie AR15ntoinette
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Can't afford food? Eat a bullet pleb!
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I got banned from face book for sugesting this.
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There's 470 joules of energy in a 9mm. That's 0.1 kcal, i.e. you need approx. 666 mp5 mag dumps for your daily energy expenditure.
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might have to eat the gun the way the world is going
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The United States
We believe guns are a right
Food is luxury-
Well, you do use the luxury bones to eat it
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Plutocracy, Oligarchy, Bootlickers, all the same: America.
Land of the fee home of the billionaire.
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while in this country
a gun is your right to have
so it is to starve
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IWGF
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imagine voting against food.
some people really miss the guillotines
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What’s the consequence of making this a right?
Just for starters, it implies certain acts intended to deliberately deprive people of access to food constitute a crime. So embargos of regions like Cuba, Ukraine, Sudan, Gaza, and North Korea would be de facto illegal under international law.
Of course, then you have to start asking questions like "What does it mean to be in violation of international law when the ICJ is so toothless?" But that's the UN for you. Issuing generally progressive proclamations through a general assembly while a handful of economic heavyweights get to decide how it all gets enforced.
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Imagine being the only 2 places on earth that go out of your way to be afraid of a toothless organization.
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I'm sure they'll be offering everyone in their respective countries free food as is their newly given right! Right?
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Nestle in every country is getting right on that...
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Russia: sure
China: okay
North Korea: all right
USA: NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Sir, That is the cost of Freedom 🦅 /s
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Capitalism invents scarcity where it doesn't already exist in the name of wealth.
If the authority declares food a right, it complicates the artificial scarcity required to profiteer.
Next up, air and water.
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I was struggling to believe this. I mean Turkey, China, North Korea, really? But yeah, I read a little about the reasoning on a .gov website, but there was a lot of, let's just say language there. Someone on stack exchange broke it down and regrettably the reasons aren't good. Mostly it was along the lines of, if people just decided to stop working, we don't want to have to provide them with food or it would infringe upon our intellectual property if we were forced to help others with their right to food. It would also did into our food profits. So yeah... Shit.
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The actual 2002-12-18 vote: Yes: 176 | No: 1 | Abstentions: 7 | Non-Voting: 7 | Total voting membership: 191
UNITED STATES was the only No
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We ARE the bad guys
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reductive and meaningless statement, every goddamn country on the planet are fucking bAd GuYs. Newsflash, the majority of humans with power are horrible selfish trash, every country is guilty of disgusting shit. Every country is controlled by their richest assholes.
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All true, but begs the question: why did every other country vote yes? The oligarchy knows they only need to control the US vote to stop something like this?
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look at the map again
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Try not to cut yourself on that edge...
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triggered
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Shithole countries
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This is an "are we the baddies?" Moment for the USA.
USA! USA! USA!
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What's the rationale from the US? Where's the ruling?
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The resolution said some stuff about pesticides the US didn't like.
The resolution encroached on other trade agreements the US would rather pursue.
The US doesn't want to transfer technology and wants to keep its own IP rights.
The US doesn't want extraterritorial obligations that the language of the resolution suggests. It thinks all countries should manage their own shit internally.
The US claimed that it domestically supports the right to food and promotes policies to further that goal but doesn't want it to be an enforceable obligation. (Pretty language that basically says the US doesn't think food should actually be an international right.)
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There won't be one publicly. But considering the pairing and the president in December 2021 I'm going to go with Israel asked for it.
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The United States is such a monstrous entity. Fuck this entire country. Someone hurry up and start the Second American Revolution, I'm fucking tired of this shithole.
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I mean, there are folks trying, but I don't really like what they're trying for.
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Colonists donating money made from stolen property be like:
Look at me. look how generous I am. 💪
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Wow more anti-US propaganda from Lemmy.ml truly shocking
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If an abusive husband refuses to let his wife have a bank account, should we celebrate his generosity for all the spending money he "gives" her?
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Now do per capita
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You sure you don’t want it as a percentage of GDP?
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Americans HATE this one trick
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I was going to ask what countries the aid goes to, and what classes as aid.
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Time to block the access to food for every single politician who voted against until they change their vote.
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I was about to say this smells like disinformation. Cherry picking a more nuanced issue? Unfair portrayal since the USA may face the most significant consequences? Maybe. But ultimately, it still seems to boil down to shareholder primacy and US agricultural lobbies (my interpretation). That’s heartbreaking and everything that is wrong with the world currently.
https://geneva.usmission.gov/2017/03/24/u-s-explanation-of-vote-on-the-right-to-food/
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I'm Jewish and I think it's an obligation of every Jew to critique the Israeli government.
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Criticising the actions of the Israeli government doesn't equate to hating all jews.
Arguing in bad faith that the two are the same is a known Zionist trick to avoid accountability for their authoritarianism.
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I'm an American jew who is absolutely appalled and disgusted by Israel's conduct as of late.
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Everything has value in, and of itself. It isn't not my place to care about every sentient thing in reality. If being practical is being fuct, then that's me. Have fun caring about everything you can't do anything about. When you have a fight worth fighting, I'll sign up again. In the mean time I agree with everything you say. Whatever that's worth.
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You're not being practical. You're just wrong
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And an asshole.
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We produce more food than we can eat in the US alone. We export a lot of it and throw another 40% directly in to the garbage.
Food is scarce only because there's money in making it scarce. It doesn't have to be, and it shouldn't be.
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Have fun caring about everything you can't do anything about.
Isn't that what you're doing right now? Caring about the opinions of others that you won't change?
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Not really. You have to wonder about countries that think it's ok to reward people with the work of others for doing... What again? Just existing? Seems like free food leads to confined circumstances. That is something the US knows all too well. The US currently gives food away simply because you exist. Guess what that, without competent education, has led to. Drug epidemics, mass poverty, mass murder, and partridge in a pair tree. Them that work, eat.
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Not starving to death is not a "reward" and judging ones worth by their ability to provide labor is a disgusting point of view.
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Friend, I'm sorry but you're fucked up in the head.
Ask yourself the question: does human life have value by itself? (independent of everything, including age, race, employment, etc).
If your answer is yes, then every human life should be protected, and we as a society need to be organised in a way that provides the minimum necessities for survival (like food, water, etc). This is what the whole world, except the US, just said.
On the other end, what you're saying is that life in itself is worthless and that value is given by some other factor (like being employed). This means that, until proven otherwise, everyone is disposable. If you think through the implications of this, you'll realize you can do whatever to them - kill them on the spot, harvest their organs, cut them to pieces to feed your pigs, ... Is this the world you want to live in?
For the sake of completeness, let's explore the implications of #1, where people get "money for nothing". What's usually tested is giving people just enough money to cover their most basic needs. Would some people stop working, if they didn't have to worry about starving? I'm sure some would. But would you?
Because I, for one, like to be able to afford my luxuries, and will keep working to not give them up.
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Let's go another way with this.
I don't know if you have any kids or not -- this is entirely hypothetical. But I have discovered people think more about a topic the less abstract it is.
You have two kids, aged 4 and 5. Then you get hit by an asteroid that kills you. No one else can take them in.
Wouldn't you like for the state to look after them? To at least give them food, water, shelter and care until they grow up until they are eighteen? To do all this whether they can earn their way or not? To do it just because it is the right thing to do?
Not because they believe the kids will pay them back or be worth something when they grow up, but because they believe the kids have worth now simply because they are living, sentient human beings?
Or would you rather that your kids are left out on the street to die? forced to make their own way in the world at the age of 4 and 5? that they will only be fed if they can show they have worth?
Just curious.
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Fun fact, universal basic income leads to more people improving their lives and getting educated, working better jobs, reducing homelessness, and strengthening the job market, etc.
That's more than just free food! And yet it reduces all the bad things you blame on free stuff!
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Then they should have talked about universal basic income. You gotta dig deeper than that. I'm responding to the bait that I saw. And UBI reduces all of the bag things for drones. Who's paying for this again? Btw, I grew up in it, and fought my way out. The depressing truth is that if the situation you are in isn't enough motivation to get yourself out, then I have to believe that you don't want to get out. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm not saying that we don't get out heads, and hearts stepped on by all the crabs wearing timberland boots over here. The tendency ought to be to look to our own, as opposed to others. Others keep us in bag life situations. They didn't put us there. Out own did that. All of this is general stuff. Something for nothing isn't a lifestyle I can abide.
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Education is a right, does it mean that teachers are not paid?
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...what?
I don't agree with the comment you are responding to, but they're not talking about teachers not getting paid they're talking about reward for not doing anything, and that reward having to come from somewhere (workers who pay their taxes). Asking if teachers get paid doesn't work here, they're paid by the taxpayers but that has nothing to do with having a fundamental right to something (the US offers a public education as a right to all citizens). Teachers don't have a fundamental right to a teaching job.
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What a dipshit
Regards
A person from the Nordic welfare states
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Their reasons will not be valid, I'm not going to even entertain reading them.
We make more food than we consume on this planet—in the absence of scarcity, food security is obviously a human right, it's aggressively malignant to be against this.
Whilst we're at it, shelter is a human right too, we have several times more empty houses than homeless people in most developed nations—that's fucked.
we destroy excess food. hire armed thugs to keep people moving into empty shelter.
that's what your taxes are for.
Grapes of Wrath was required reading for me in both middle and high school. I don't understand how more Americans aren't aware of the inhuman actions taken by corporate interests to secure profit.
They also hire armed thugs to keep people from eating edible food that was thrown out
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/02/portland-police-guard-dumpster-face-off-with-residents-trying-to-get-discarded-food-from-fred-meyer.html
FDR is to blame for that
This is something that's starting to get to me.
For the last 30 years EVERY excuse that has been made about America's inhumane corporate toadying has been utter empty and meaningless bullshit but everyone just pretends it's real words.
I mean the justifications for things like denying children free breakfast aren't even rational on the surface, even without going into it.
But FUCKING PEOPLE just nod their head like 'It'll prevent them from being independent' is even close to being a rational statement when we are talking about seven year olds that get all of their food given to them ANYWAY?!
I don't understand how as a country we have gotten to the point that words literally have no meaning anymore but it is going to take us to a dark place very quickly.
I hate to inject politics, but this is very much state by state and locale by locale. NOT “as a country”.
Take the recent issue with summer lunch program for school kids. As far as I know, it was no strings attached free money from the federal government, yet some states used it and some didn’t, and pretty much on party lines. This is not a singular example, but repeated over and over: how are basic rights turned into political posturing at the expense of citizens?
I suspect that whole line of reasoning is in service of, and/or a consequence of, this country’s aversion to giving people help they didn’t “earn” or don’t “deserve.” I can hear the conservative relatives now… “yeah it’s just $1.50 to feed a kid each day, but that’s another couple hundred dollars in their welfare mom’s crack budget for the year, and WE shouldn’t pay for that!”
Clearing land for soy and cattle exports is also the main reason the Amazon and the Pantanal are burning. Two of the most unique and biodiverse biomes on Earth are being reduced to ash and still people go hungry.
The world we made is too inefficient.
Found the vegan
As a US citizen, it is a point of great shame that we have so many struggling to eat enough (and/or healthily enough), as well as pay their medical bills.
We are a nation with great influence and military might, but the richest Americans are often a direct reflection for what this nation as a whole truly is... It's a wealthy place that doesn't take care of its own citizens.