Drones trespassing in my property
Drones trespassing in my property
Idk if anyone had a similar problem before, but I live in EU by the countryside, at first there were only a few but now it happens more and more often to see drones passing over my house, I am sure they are civilian drones because law enforcement has no reason to use them since the area is quiet (and honestly I doubt they would be able to do so), however it bothers me enough to know that there are people who get over the fence and enter my property going to look at what they want, does anyone have any advice on what to do?
I think you have the legal right to prohibit flying above your property. Do it, make a sign and report everyone who violates it to the police. Flying on someone's property with a camera drone is illegal anyways.
EDIT: Also check if you legally can physically eliminate the drone in that case. It's the most effective strategy.
OP is in EU, but here in the US property owners do not have rights to airspace.
However, spying with cameras or nuisance noise would be reasons for legal action.
Honest question, but I couldn't help but package it sarcastically:
How would you report that? Catch the drone and ask who it's owner is? Ask the police to do a 100 man wide area search around your house?
New drones being sold in the USA are equipped with something called remote ID. In theory, it enables law enforcement to wirelessly identity the drone, who it's registered with, and where the pilot is standing. This is very new though, and very few, if any, police departments have the tools needed to make use of it. It's also possible to read remote ID from phones, but without the database, it only gives you so much info. Owners of older drones are supposed to attach a remote ID module to them in order to maintain legal flying, but someone being voyeuristic with their older drone probably isn't following the rules.
EDIT: Also check if you legally can physically eliminate the drone in that case. It’s the most effective strategy.
Just tell the police you were clay pigeon shooting and the drone flew into your path.
Well that works but it's better to keep everything legal to avoid assigned surveillance
That’s incorrect. At least as a generalization. For example: In The Netherlands, you do not own the airspace above your property. The EU laws for drones do state that you can’t just film people without permission, though. Operators of camera drones also need to register and get an operator id.
Hmm it isn't the first reply that says it so I guess airspace isn't owned by the property owner in the EU. Very unfortunate but not that big of a deal. I hope at least shooting down a camera drone can be considered self defense there.
This works if they fly low enough
Police drones. Surveillance "for your protection"
Fuck them!
That some dystopian shit!
Portsmouth Ohio, fat redneck throwing a bottle of shit Australian beer and the police not executing a no knock warrant and murdering him for his crimes?
I call bullshit.
He's white, it's okay.
That guy deserves an award
I never understood anti drug drones. You'd think criminals would just go inside or get a pavilion
Didn't know they drank great northern piss in Ohio.
They don't. They're a QLD couple that got in trouble for being absolute legends and knocking down their neighbour's drone.
That photo is real but that caption isn't.
That was taken in Australia with one of our better beers front and centre
You can also use an anti-drone gun
Get yourself a little beehive OP.
Every time you see a drone, report it for killing your bees, sit back and watch the EU busybodies go fuckin mental about it
The cunt who's doing it will be in The Hague within a week 😂
Drone pilot from Germany here, they have no place hovering over your property, more strictly even they're not allowed to fly in any way that allows them to view your garden from above. You can shoot down the drone and it's their problem note that this is in Germany not the US (which surprised me tbh).
However, that said, could be that it's the same pilot again and again, even if it's different birds. Normally they are very cooperative, just ask them to stop and they'll apologize for any inconvenience caused.
Since op didn't mention seeing a pilot, I'd suspect that the drones are flown out of sight. So asking them to stop can be difficult. Of course asking nicely, by downing a drone, might get the message across.
I wonder if I could shoot down drones here in Denmark as well.
FAA Certified drone pilot in the USA here. That's wild. In the US it's illegal to shoot down an aircraft of any sort no matter the type or who is flying it. And also, the Federal Aviation Administration is the only authority in the US when it comes to airspace, and as long as you have authorization from the FAA or are in uncontrolled space, you can fly over anyone's property. However, that doesn't give you the right to voyeurism or harassment. If you are intentionally spying on things that are normally considered private (peeking in a window, for instance) or repeatedly or specifically bugging a specific individual or family, then you can still be charged with those crimes. Also, unless you have a specific waiver that's rather hard to get, you have to be within line of sight of your drone. If the drone pilot is not following the rules, they can be hit with hefty fines. Even though drones can be bought easily, there's still strict rules that the FAA has for both recreational and professional flying, and anyone operating a drone outside those can and should be reported.
FAA Certified drone pilot in the USA here. That's wild. In the US it's illegal to shoot down an aircraft of any sort
That's even wilder to me, since you have several states where you are allowed to shoot anyone trespassing on your property, but a drone, who can record and video and infringe on your privacy is illegal?!
That's like prime capitalism. Human lives are worthless, but don't damage my property. What?
Honestly they should get a good video of the drone and report it. If the police do nothing sent it to the community
Jesus F Christ, what???/some random bullets.flying through the air ? Some kid a few blocks over shot whikie playing in the yard, thats ok, was shooting at some asshats drone but missed?
Juat moon the drone and be done with it, like a sane person
Birdshot exists
Was done with an air rifle, making it a little bit better, but it still very much surprised me due to the very same reasons...
The best bet is to let your local aviation authority know. They are generally the ones with the actual powers, as well as the knowledge to apply them.
At least in the UK, the laws cover anything that leaves the ground under an open sky. There are exceptions for RC toys and drones, but they have limits. One of the limits is you cannot fly within a certain distance of anyone or anything not under your control.
Basically, most places require your permission to fly over, or near to your land. If they are overflying, they are breaking the rules.
It's worth noting, depending on the size of the system, it can be difficult to judge distances. The ones I work with are large. We regularly have officials insisting we are massively out of our flight area. GPS logs show that it was well within the entire time.
"I think there's something wrong with the door switch on my old microwave oven. I've been testing it outside for safety, that's why it's out in the back yard pointing upwards with the door open."
Wait... other than cook any bird or animal that might land inside, what would this do? I thought household microwaves were nowhere near capable of doing anything at any distance.
I'd just go to the local print shop and have the most disturbing image put onto some large poster. Like a Hi-Res close up of a butthole with some form of issues.
Get a pellet gun and shoot them down. You'll find out quickly who is doing it when they trespass on your property to retrieve their downed hardware.
Tell me you're American without telling me you're American lol.
Not a bad idea overall, but not a great first idea either
Lol, I was just thinking this would be a problem for about 5 min before some asshole shot at it. I always thought it was hilarious when people talked about delivery drones.
Except, as we’ve found in this thread, Germany is cool with shooting down drones over your property but the US is not.
No, ignore this. Never shoot guns into the air, it's both dangerous and stupid.
Unless it's a shotgun firing birdshot. This is why in many places you can hunt birds, it's really the only type of firearm you're allowed to use, because when shot at an upward trajectory, the pellets do not maintain enough velocity to be harmful when coming down and harmlessly fall to the ground. Anything rifled though is a different story, because its that spin on a bullet or a slug which allows the projectile to maintain its velocity and be dangerous when coming back down.
Yeah that's why I use Fireworks
I would go and have a look around, because usually they would be close by and ask them. I gly drones for 10+ years and if it's a sports drone, it's annoying and they should be pretty close. If it's a dji (slow moving around) they might be just nosy assholes.
I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they just fly there because like you said it's in the middle of nowhere. But flying over a house or property on purpose is not only a dick move, it's also dangerous annoying for all sides.
I'm not sure for the EU but in the USA the airspace above your private property is public domain and since drones are classified as aircraft they are entitled do fly over your property just as an airplane or helicopter might. When a drone is being used to record and surveillance it depends on local jurisdiction.
There is a reasonable expectation of privacy though. It's the cameras that make it illegal, not the drone intruding in the first place
That is incorrect on a federal level, your milage may vary with city/country/state laws. Federally in the United States the right to reasonable expectation of privacy does not extend to outside of your house per Hester v. United States, 265 U.S. 57 (1924). The government is allowed to surveil you from public airspace without a warrant per Florida v. Riley, 488 U.S. 445 (1989).
In most parts of the EU you're not allowed to fly over private property.
If I remember the rules correctly you are allowed to fly over private property as long as it isn't fenced off. You cannot overfly buildings without permission. You can take pictures of private property without permission as long as they don't contain anything personally identifiable (ie. don't take pictures of people, but no people is fine).
This is the first search result that came up for me, and claiming the opposite
That site is full of false claims with zero sources to back up those claims which is pretty funny seeing as that article is claiming to be written by a retired corporate attorney. The site is also chocked full of SEO tricks which is possible why it was the first result that came up for you. For example on 5. the word drone is stealthily a link to another irrelevant article about drone deliveries on a different as sketchy site. Link hiding is a well known trick to gain the system and bump up your page.
Apparently, old-fashioned spark radios can disrupt comms for consumer drones. There are kits for people who are interested in learning about early radio tech.
I've not verified this myself.
there's a software package floating around to hijack drones and remote control them yourself. it might be time to test the drone's security capabilities
Just looked it up for Germany: over residential areas you need either "an explicit permission of the owner", or "it is very light (<250g) and has no ability to record video, audio or radio" or "it is more then 100m above ground, not in the night and some other fingerprint" [1].
In all EU you actually need a registration on your some clearly visible [2].
So, of they are below 100m or in the night, just call the authorities. If you live a bit outside it might just not clear from above that it's private property.
[1] https://dipul.de/homepage/en/information/geographical-zones/legal-basis/#accordion-1-6 [2] https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/light/topics/travelling-drones
How is it trespassing? How far up do you "own" ? 5m , 200m, 1000km?
On the other hand, get a another drone and play chasey wott theirs, maybe and some talons to yours and swoop, eagle style ?
Are you legally allowed to own a shotgun?
Don't shoot down drones. In the US it counts as shooting down an aircraft and you'll have the FAA knocking at your door
I'd be very surprised if that were true for ones not registered with the FAA.
OP stated this was in europe. Out of the FAA's jurisdiction. The EASA may have similar rules though
Do you own a shotgun? Just shoot it out of the sky.
Just kiding that's a terrible idea
Just to confirm the obvious. Downvotes are expected but OP you should read this.
They are close enough to see that they are quad copters, and they make a buzzing noise, correct?
There have been a lot of UAP flaps where the objects (not quad copter looking) will fly low over the countryside, just above the tree-lines to much higher. They usually make no noise aside from reports of static or screeching or electronic interference.
Unlikely to be the case but if so, report to your countries MUFON type department and get as much evidence (video with sound, drawings, time and date, etc) as you can.
There is something else out there, whether it's military black projects mapping areas or what have you, and it needs to be documented.
If it is for sure quad copter drones, you can get a device to blast the 2.4Ghz spectrum for a short time and make them 'phone home' and the operators will stop flying them over your property once they realize something wrong keeps happening when they do. Legality varies.
Many tutorials available to DIY. You can also buy them pre-built, just more expensive.
commercial drones must have by law a remote ID, think of it like a unique number for each drone, so you might want to try using some phone apps like DroneTag to get that ID and then report it to the authorities. They will have a record of who that drone belongs to.
Here is a great defcon talk that might give you some ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CzURm7OpAA
hide the bodies under the deck
You drink great northern beers in Ohio? I mean they are decent beers, but didn't think they'd made it across the Pacific
Follow the drone until it lands
What country?