X now treats the term cisgender as a slur

Ah yes, the historically marginalized vulnerable community, the cisgenders. How can a community even hope to live in peace with only 98.5% of the population?

- bullshit. cis- is a latin prefix that means "on this side of". So for example, the Roman region Cisalpine Gaul could reasonably be interpreted as "the part of Gaul that's on our side of the Alpines". The prefix trans- is the antonym meaning "on the far side". Transalpine Gaul was the part of the Roman empire on the other side of the Alpines. When related to gender, the only way cisgender can be read in any context is "their gender aligns with their sex". There is no way that could ever be reasonably be interpreted as a slur.
- When you have a trans-something you have cis-something. It's how language works.
  The only way for cisgender to be a slur is if you consider transgender a slur too.
- Cisgender originated on Usenet in alt.transgender in 1994.
  I Coined The Term 'Cisgender' 29 Years Ago. Here's What This Controversial Word Really Means.
  https://www.historians.org/research-and-publications/perspectives-on-history/may-2017/tracing-terminology-researching-early-uses-of-cisgender
- People on tumblr being really mad when they say cisgender doesn’t actually make it a slur ¯(ツ)/¯

You believe that cis is a slur because that's how you use the word trans.

These people are so fragile. If you dare remind them that they're cisgender, that they're straight, that they're white, that they're able-bodied, they take it personally because to them, they're just normal.

All of the sudden, they have to think about their place in society and it absolutely terrifies them. They are like rich people when you tell them that they're rich. They will do this whole fucking song and dance to try and tell you about how they are not that rich and how the government taxes them and everything and how they're just like you and so on.

They are not white, they are not cis, they are not straight, they are not able-bodied, no, they are just normal. It's everyone else that is different. It's them who are black, who are gay, who are trans, who are disabled. They're different.

But my guy, you are not. You are as much a part of the society as I am. And you're getting just a small taste of what it's like to be a minority in said society. Someone reminded you of what you are for just a second. Now, imagine being constantly brought back to what you are and not who you are. What that would be like.

People like Elon Musk take offense to being called straight, white, cis or able-bodied because everything else is inferior to them.

On a side note: Someone should remind him of what the Nazis did to disabled people. Because the dude is clearly getting cozy with a lot of them, but I don't think being this level of clinically stupid is going to get him far in the Fourth Reich. Besides, those South African origins... erh, that may get him in trouble. And having a trans daughter? Woof, doesn't sound like "good genes" to me. Elon, you may want to pick better friends.

This might be top five comment on Lemmy that I’ve seen.
I appreciate what you put down here. I’m a white dude that is about as corn fed looking as they come. This comment made so much sense.
Thank you for taking the time to write this out.
- Ok, I'm going to be completely honest with you. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
  Are you telling me that I made a shit comment? If so, please do say so because I'm gonna be honest: I am not sure about this comment and I've been thinking about deleting it ever since I posted it. I rewrote it like five or six times before until I finally got fed up with it and said "fuck it" and posted it. :|
  EDIT:
  So, according to all of you, I worry too much. Thanks a lot for the support, and I'm glad you liked my comment. ❤️
they take it personally because to them, they’re just normal.
Maybe they (including myself) might take it personally because to them you ARE normal. Regardless of your gender, skin colour or sexual orientation.
So, if I'm treating everyone the same, why is it wrong to ask for other people to do it as well? For example, if I'm trying to talk about a certain topic and your opinion is discarded simply because "you're cis" then yeah, I have every right to be offended. Just because I'm white and a man it doesn't mean that I'm necessarily part of the problem.
And no, I wouldn't presume to know how if feels to be part of a minority that has to face constant violence and discrimination but that's precisely why I want to have the conversation, I want to better understand what other people are going through. Although, that doesn't mean that I will (or should) agree with everything the other person says. Being part of a minority doesn't magically make you right about everything. Just like I might be biased due to my personal context, you can be biased because of yours.
- I'm afraid you are putting a lot of words into my mouth and making lots of assomptions about what I'm saying here. I don't really know how to answer to this because, well, you're debating against things I didn't say.
  I'm calling you cis, because it's simply a descriptive term. You are white, you are a man, you are cisgender. That's not a problem. I'm white, I'm a woman, I'm transgender. That's not a problem. These, on their own, are simply descriptors. No one here is saying that you're a problem. I'm talking about people who specifically take offense to these terms, like Musk here does, like, if you tell this man that he is "cis", he will genuienly get upset.
- I have never been excluded from truth seeking conversations because I am cis. Everyone likes an ally. Some people actually like them a little too much in my experience.
  If you are in a queer safe space you should treat it like you are at your in-laws house. You don't need to be expressing every diverging opinion or challenging every cultural assumption. In my experience, if you are being met with hostility, it's because you are projecting it.
- So, do you believe cis is a slur?

Look at all this free speech absolutism

Now that it's considered it a slur, we can expect huge increase in its use on the platform, right?

Funny, I think the same about X.

X.Org should be pissed.

I was really thinking they were going to challenge Musk since it’s not only their name, but he chose practically the same logo.
- And I'm only, like, 98% joking about it also being the day I saw a headline on Lemmy about Wayland use overtaking X11.
  I mean, honesty, there has to be some legally standing harm having been done or be possible. By a fucking billionaire tech ~~mogul~~ guy to a foundational, open, and free part of the tech ecosystem who also relies on fundraising.
  Edit: on the other hand I’m waiting to be pounded by a reply about the logo being open source. Which it is. But you know ethics and tech and stuff.
- Jesus, that's really fucking blatant, wow
I've said for some time now that as long as he allows deadnaming on his site, I'm going to deadname his site.

Will bipedal be listed as a slur too? What about multicellular? Or mammal?

Probably not, but used with sufficient invective I think you could make people feel like they've been insulted with out actually doing so. 'You blasted multicellular mammal! What have you done this time? What are you, bipedal or something? Eukaryote!'
Just got banned for calling someone a featherless biped SMH.

Don't the fans of X applaud it for being anti-censorship? I would think this goes against their free speech inclinations.

Free speech for right wingers means they get to say anything they want. Doesn't apply to others
- The most critical component of "free speech" to a right-winger isn't just the ability to say whatever they want with no repercussions, it's also that an audience has to be forced to listen to them.
  There are plenty of shithole places on the Internet where they can spout their transphobic, Great Replacement anti-Semitic shit all day long, but that's not good enough for them. They need a "lib" to be triggered.

This is what happens when a Nazi affiliated "free-speech" absolutist buys a major media. The trap of the tolerating the intolerant is very real.

Except X is only tolerating the intolerant, and not tolerating the tolerant.

Ok so what is their preferred term?

"Real man/woman" or something inherently derogatory towards everyone else like that.
These bigots consider their own gender (and usually race and political affiliation, for that matter) the default and everything else a misguided if not dangerous aberration.
They're like the the people Musk grew up with in apartheid South Africa in that respect.
- Guys Im starting to think the guy who's only rich because daddy used apartheid slave labor may not have the best views on race
- Yeah I suspect as much too. Nothing more than a passive and abhorrent form of violence imo.
Probably "normal". Just like being white or straight.

He really hates his trans daughter!

She hates him more. When she changed her name, she changed her surname to her mother's and had it put into the court record that she disowns her father. She could have just broken contact, waited for him to die and hoped she was included in the will, but he was such an awful father that she said, "fuck you and your billions of dollars." Can you imagine how exceptionally bad a parent that would make him?
- Not to play down how absolutely terrible I'm sure Musk is as a father, but her mum's also loaded. That would certainly make the decision easier.

Has anyone ever been fired from a job for being cis? [I’ve been fired from a couple for being trans….]

I know that is legal in a lot of places, but it absofuckinglutely should not be. I'm really sorry. I hope you've found something good since.
Sorry to hear about that, hope you've found a nice employer that respects you!

I wasn't aware of this term, but I just checked it in wiktionary. Looks like a perfect normal word to me.

It is, and it's a word we need there's not a different term for it and it's a useful concept. Close minded people just hate that it implies the existence of trans people.
Much like all words for a privileged group it has some people who really don’t like it. Transphobes in particular dislike it because it is neutral and contains no value judgement. But also because it gives people the language to talk about trans experiences without misgendering or othering trans people

Something something snowflakes..

Should we really be adding more derogatory terms to children's vocabulary tho? I don't care if it's cisgender or a new word for removed, I get theyre only words and we shouldnt be voldermorting words because of the power it gives to oppressors but for fuckin real what I get nervous about is adding another word to be fucking mean adding it to school aged children's arsenal of mean as fuck shit to say to other kids. We can all agree they don't belong anywhere appropriately but for me this has always been about discouraging the next generation from being as hateful and cruel as this current parenting generation and older.
I will die on the hill that psychological and emotional aggression is 1000x's worse than trying to knock someones teeth in. As someone who grew up a barefoot3d hippie in redneck country I've seen it way too often that issues get fuckin squashed after 2 parties are icing their shinners and are arguing wile coming down from a much depleted sense of drive, rage amd adrenaline or whatever that hormone is called now.
- "Cisgender" is no more a derogatory term than "heterosexual." It's simply a descriptor. It means your gender and biological sex are the same. That's all.
  It's only derogatory to you if you feel that "cisgender" should be "normal" and thus not have a word. But we have a word for all kinds of things people might consider "normal." Sighted is a word even though being able to see is the norm. I'm sure you can use 'sighted' in a derogatory way. Maybe some blind people even do, I don't know. That doesn't make the word derogatory.
  "Cisgender" is not the queer equivalent of something like "tranny."
- Your position is great, all these kids are being warped by slander and pejoratives (as contextual), and nobody seems to care about manipulating all these new kids being grown up into a world that's burning down and their McDonald's meal will cost $26.99 next year with no jobs existing. But they're concerned more about gender and words and feelings than reality anymore.
- Whenever I speak the Italian vulgar, I'm always talking to my homies in Cisapline Gaul.
- Getting into fistfights > Learning a single vocabulary word ??
  Wow. A VIOLENT snowflake. Daring today, aren't we.

I call myself cis male. What delicate fucking snowflakes.

EDIT: I want to provide some more information. I am a straight cis male. Straight is my sexual preference, cis gendered in my gender identity, and male is my biological sex as assigned at birth. I was first called cis male by a lesbian friend in a relationship with a trans-masculine lesbian (I think...s/he was a life long butch lesbian who began to transition socially after we met.) My friend described to me what cis meant and I said, "Ya, that describes me." I have a pair of trans women friends (one post-op and one who will never get the surgery.) I have a pair of gay friends, one who had always known that he was gay and one who was closeted his whole life, married, kids, and came out in his 50s. I had known him for 25 years and never thought about whether he was straight or gay. In my social circle, intellectual and liberal, it is handy to be able to let people know a bit about me in a few words. I've embraced "cis" because I don't think that I am superior because I am what I am. The people who are offended by being called "cis" are the ones who have sneered labels at others. I haven't done that. I also find it handy in social situations to be able to say I'm interested in straight or bi cis women.

I could not care less who you love, who you want to have sex with, how you present yourself, how you want to be addressed, etc. I have my preference but that's just me.

So people should just accept what others call them?
- The definition of cis is, "a person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth." Does you gender identity correspond to the sex you were assigned at birth? Mine does.
- People made the same arguments about "heterosexual" and "straight", at least with the latter I could see why someone would see that as a slur (it's a term originates from animal farming), while "heterosexual" just describes someone is attracted to the opposite gender (go on, and use it as an "a ha!" moment against me by claiming it as a proof that even I know there's only two genders, like fundamentalists do with atheists saying "oh my god!"). "Cis" is just the opposite of "trans", even if Musk had the techbro-level idea of treating "cis" the same way most sensible people treat that "cool and funny" gamer word, he wants to say out loud in the public, like he used to do it in apartheid Africa.

Everyone should start talking about CSI incessantly.

Las Vegas or Miami?
- CSI Gender. It's a spinoff taking place in the town of Gender, New Mexico.

So it's a gay-only platform now?

Huh? How do you figure?
- Because cis people are banned
It always has been?
- No women allowed club, only bros

the best part about this is that elon basically is doing the john mulaney sketch where he says cis all the time to justify it but when asked why the n word is allowed, he refers to it without saying it.

"If you're comparing two words and won't say one of the words.. That's the worse word!"

I honestly never even considered that it was a slur. Sometimes you are having a discussion where gender identity is relevant, and in that situation it is useful to be able to clearly indicate that someone is cisgender.

See I just used it.

The word was created so the official opposite of transgender is not simply the word "normal". Treating cisgender as a slur is just attacking transgender people.
- I agree completely. The whole manufactured discussion about it it ridiculous. Conservative love to be able to point at social values and try to claim there is simply an opposite alternative fact that’s completely contradictory to it on the conservative spectrum. Did you notice when they normalized leftist?
When I first heard it, I assumed it was a slur because the closest common use English word is cissy.
But then I like... looked it up.
Basically, I can understand how some folks initially think it's a slur, but this conservative overreaction is clearly in bad faith and it'd almost certainly happen whatever the fuck the word was.

They don't want freedom of speech; they want licentiousness of speech.

sob there are new terms that describe human beings because gender is not a binary, woe is me, I'm so upset... /s

sob there are new terms that describe human beings because gender is not a binary, woe is me, I'm so upset... /s
‘Cisgender’ doesn’t even require there to not be a gender binary! These snowflakes are ridiculous. It’s not a slur, anymore than ‘heterosexual’ is a slur.

Classic South African move js

Isn't it about time to add cis to the LGBTQ+ community?

That way we can make them get angry with themselves for being part of the group, or make them accept the rest since they now belong to them.

..no?
We're all already humans, and they don't seem to treat that as an in-group, so why would it change with a different label?
There is a neofetch alternative that specializes in pride flags. Someone submitted a PR to add the "straight pride" flag, and it was rejected on the basis that it wasn't a "marginalized community".
Like bruh, do you want equality or not?
https://www.bu.edu/diversity/files/2021/12/Equity.jpg
https://www.bu.edu/diversity/resource-toolkit/inequity-equality-equity-and-justice/
- I think it's okay for a queer app to focus on queer shit and not associate with a label which is overwhelmingly used to virtue signal being a bigot, that's not really an attack on equality.
- I would also reject such a pull request. Straight folks aren't systematically shamed for being straight. They don't need pride to counter nonexistent shame.

Because Melon thinks transgender is a slur.

That's antisemitic, too.

I'm pretty sure Elon has no problem with antisemitism since he thinks it's the "actual truth" that Jews (who are, apparently, not white) are oppressing white people.

For me but not for thee

I am cisgender and aroace. I treat trans people just as equally as everyone else.

So why does Twitter (I'm not calling me X anymore) hate me now? Do I have to identify as anything other than male to be liked by a toxic community? (I am AMAB) Is this some form of counter-discrimination?

Obviously trans people deserve rights, but that doesn't mean cis people should have their rights taken away from them.

It's not about cis bad, it's about "I don't want to be called cis, I want to be called normal"
- Oh is it? My immediate thought was that it was Elon being childish and basically saying like, "if I can't say x slur, then I'm going to pretend it's the same as this clinical, scientific term to make a point."
  Like that he thinks he's truly made an amazing satirical statement here or something...
- Ok, got it
I am like 87% cis and like 67% het. Gender and sexuality isn't a spectrum, it's a probability field.
- I bet all the conservatives are gonna be mad when they find out that even I have no idea if I'm truly male or not. That would make me genderqueer, which is a subset of trans. I mean, I do look very masculine, and use he/him pronouns, but my voice is a bit too... "gay", and I like wearing tight clothing and oversized sweaters with bucket hats (bonus points if it's a color that isn't even close to being associated with manliness, at least where I'm from, such as... idk, pink, and in the case of what I would wear, purple).
  What's the percentage of cis in that case? 50%? Less? More? How would being aroace affect my het percentage?
It’s the 1% manufacturing consent for a return to slavery while everyone is distracted by their phones
- The 1% see the working class as animals. They only care about creating wealth. They don’t want nonbinary, trans or gay people in society. That takes away from reproduction. It is the real reason behind the abortion bans and rise of far right in the world.
  The Republicans have dumbed down education so severe the public doesn’t even recognize what’s happening. Everyone is too distracted on their phones to revolt.
  The 1% have made a short term deal with white supremacists to attempt to return to the days of slavery. But they too will be consumed shortly after. America First lol. Everything and anything about us has been commodified for wealth extraction. First they’re coming for your inheritance and family home, then they’ll take the Social Security Reserve fund. The 1% use out of work lawyers and AI to control the narrative and nudge everyone where they want on social media. This has been a long time in the works but number go up brrr.
  We willingly buy and carry spy devices constantly everyday, everywhere we go. They have amassed so much data on us it’s incredible. The amount of technology being used to spy on us is unfathomable to your average citizen. Snowden tried to tell us. The 1% know if they didn’t do something unions and mobs would come for them eventually.
  The 1% were scammed by the oil barons into a false sense of security over oil and its effects. A near extinction event. The climate refugee crisis will be like nothing you can imagine. Water and food shortages for everyone, except the rich of course. Thing is, without the masses who is left?
  I’ll elaborate further later
- I don't understand what you mean by that.
That's a new one for me. "Aroace". I can't imagine what that feels like though. What do I know? The world is so diverse.
- Well, imagine being aromantic AND asexual at the same time. The former refers to experiencing no romantic attraction (so... no feeling of love outside of friends and family), the latter refers to experiencing no sexual attraction (so... the lack of a desire to have sex basically).
  You need to have sex to have children, which is also something I don't want. Hell, I don't even wanna be married. Most people I know are mad at me for just that, let alone associating myself with the LGBT community for basically not wanting marriage and children... and also not feeling manly enough.
  You learn new stuff everyday.

I do not understand why people still use Twitter...

I don't understand why anyone used twitter in the first place

I've heard that straggot isn't, so take that information as you will /s

All speech is free, but some speech is more free than others

So come up with a new word? All the screaming in the world won't get musky to change something like this. He's chosen his side.

entogenos would be the Greek version of the same words of Latin origin.

I actually kinda wish I could see the idiotic replies that the mods are removing

Typical Cishet behavior

The way the users of that slur is used.. yeah it does come off as a slur. As if, "cis-gender" (lol) is a degrading label. You can call me a cis-gender.. you might get a laugh out of me but that's about it.

It is a joke of a slur
You can call me a cis-gender… you might get a laugh out of me but that’s about it.
Because nobody has seriously threatened your life for being cisgender, nobody has harassed you in a coordinated fashion because you are cisgender, cisgender is just a term that can be applied to you that doesn’t really affect you either way.
Words that are slurs are the record of violence and suffering inscribed into letters, you can’t treat those words the same and the fact that Musk is doing this is pathetic as fuck.

Wow that's unbelievable. As in I literally don't believe it. So I tested it by posting various sentences containing these words and other known slurs to compare, and found it didn't work.

Maybe this is some American thing I'm not Free enough to experience in my corner of the world, or it doesn't do this on android or the browser site. (The tech crunch screenshot looks like something else, probably iOS)

It hard to say because no one is even a little bit curious enough to test it. Idk how this thread contains anything else but people testing it, because it's so damn unbelievable. Why is no one testing this themselves? Why are you not testing it yourself?

cool, surely they now treat the term trans as a slur too right?

Right?

Right??

This isn’t even new, the Boer cried about it already like months ago

Why would he hate the word "onthesameside-gender"?