Megathread for Reddit Blackouts and News - Week 1
Megathread for Reddit Blackouts and News - Week 1
Hey everyone. If you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy!
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Seems like all the traffic had to go somewhere...
Lots of love for the Beehaw and other Lemmy admins this morning. It's never fun suddenly having to 10x scale. Although it sounds like everybody else on the internet is getting a heavy traffic load today too.
I think the most fun, unintended consequence is that there were some assumptions baked into the Reddit codebase and the large number of Private subreddits has caused massive disruption and outages for them. While others have speculated it might be a tactic to hamper the affects of the protest, it sure seems real plausible to have not anticipated 6K subreddits going private overnight.
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As an engineer, this sounds most plausible - they had proactive detection and resolution in place against various attacks and system failures, which got triggered due to the massive drop in public subreddits/users/activity, and made everything worse. Honestly, this isn't a scenario their engineers could have easily predicted...
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As a former sysadmin and a [still, for the moment] reddit moderator, my bet is that most of the subreddits that switched to private forgot to (or didn't know to) go into "new reddit" and switch off the thing that allows people to request being added to the now-private subreddit.
A HUGE influx of people pounding on the "let me in, add me to the sub" button, which sends modmail, may have overloaded the whole modmail system, which in turn sometimes goes kaflooey for no apparent reason (my theory is: it gets bored).
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This makes a lot of sense to me (as an Operations Engineer).
I could imagine the architecture team has low watermark triggers to rescale the architecture, kill and restore hosts, or other changes based on expected user load. When that load just.. isn't there, the automated tooling just loops the same actions causing site instability.
I've had similar issues before, so it seems like a feasible explanation
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I'm not sure if it's just a load balancing issue. if all of Reddit can only access specific subs, maybe they split their servers that way
but I'm just guessing, because it doesn't make much sense to go down, when there is less data to process...
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I’m having flashback to the early Reddit and Twitter days. Those platforms would get a ton of press os buzz on a random day, then they would explode.
The fail whale was iconic back in the day.
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Anyone else notice how friendly, calm, and civil the posts and discussions have been away from Reddit? This place reminds me a lot of the early days.
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Frankly, I think it's entirely because of the self-selected nature of the people migrating, and the fact that the whole federation thing is mildly confusing so only people who have made sense of it and worked out how it works are here. If/when it becomes more obvious and popular beyond early-adopters, it'll be targeted by all the same bots and propagandists and chudiots as anywhere else.
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It's practically the same reason reddit and other online communities were so much better a decade ago - idiots simply couldn't find their way to them / it was "icky nerd shit"
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It makes me giddy to think of how fast people are working on readers/apps for Lemmy that will make all of this way easier for more people to adopt.
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I think you’re right. It seems like there’s a pattern for every new platform.
Early adopters make the the site fun, valuable, and worth while
People start to notice and the platform grows, becoming slightly worse, but still pretty cool.
Platform explodes in popularity and it goes to complete shit.
It’s happened with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Reddit. I’m sure that day will come for this place as well. I guess we’ll just need to enjoy it while it lasts.
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But since we can make our own instances easily, we can get rid of the rif raf more easily than on reddit
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I think the instance thing makes botting a bit easier to avoid if they make them in a new instance. Idk
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Couldn't agree more, there's definitely a bit of a barrier that potentially the average joe wouldn't bother with.
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It's so nice to not see GPT-3 bots replying to literally everything, like they have been for like 2 years now on Reddit.
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It felt like every other comment on popular subs (like r/AmITheAsshole) was a bot calling out another bot for having scraped and stolen a comment from someone farther down the comment chain. It makes me think that a significant portion of the traffic being seen still active on Reddit is just bots talking to each other. That, and porn subs, probably.
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That was happening? Well it explains a lot of recent reddit then, it really felt people had really weird reading comprehension.
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This is interesting. I had no idea this was a thing!
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A few small pockets of civility survived here and there, but everything else has drowned in bots, ads, and trolls for so long that it's shocking to come here and be able to click on a random post and see civil discussion as the default. That tone needs to be set and maintained. Basic decency and civility are really not that hard, even when people disagree. We lost that somewhere along the way.
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It’s been so enjoyable!
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I was having a little look through the Wikipedia article for Digg, to remind myself how their downfall went about. Found this absolute banger of a quote 😂
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I like your optimism!
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Replaced RIF with Jerboa on my home screen; I can't say I won't miss it though, wish there was a "Lemmy is fun" already
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Didn't know we had an app. The RiF developer is working on an app for Tildes, which bums me out, RiF was my weapon of choice.
I've only convinced one real life friend to become interested in reddit, I asked her if she'd heard about all the drama there, and found out she'd been using the official app all this time...she was super shocked when I told her the stories about peoples' phones heating up using that thing.
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I'm still trying out Tildes now and then, but the lack of an app pretty much kills the experience for me at the moment. I feel like the Lemmy system is overall the superior option, but Tildes is still an interesting alternative from what I've seen so I'm excited to see what it looks like with an app.
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I was going to join tildes until I saw a slew of posts talking about how they got permabanned for saying stuff like "I like tildes more than lemmy". Lol... what?
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In one of the subreddits, someone mentioned an effort to make a "Reddit API->Lemmy API bridge." Basically, you'd load this code and point your Reddit API calls to Lemmy instead. Then this bridge would translate your Reddit code to Lemmy. This could allow for apps like RIF, Boost, Apollo, etc to quickly turn their Reddit apps into Lemmy apps.
I hope this pans out. Jerboa isn't bad, but having many third party apps to choose from would be great. (As a Boost user, I'd love to load Boost and browse Lemmy instead of Reddit.)
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If folks are on iOS, you can beta test the app "Mlem" by following the instructions here:
https://testflight.apple.com/join/xQfmkJhc
I like it!
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I just downloaded it. I’m not sure how to log in though. I entered beehaw.org for the home page then Skyteck for username and added my password. Then it says could not connect to beehaw.org.
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Jerboa is a pretty nice app overall already. I use an iPhone as my main device, and Mlem is very incomplete at this stage (but it’s quite new). I loaded up Jerboa on a Pixel, though l, and was very impressed. Jerboa is far more polished…shame it’s Android only
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For me I want a LemReader a Lemmy version of RedReader.
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The RedReader developer (QuantumBadger) said they'd like to make it a more general reader app and include support for RSS and Lemmy. It would take a while to to it though. They would have to abstract a lot of the Reddit specific code.
I hope they do it, it's a really nice app.
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I was using joey. Joey for lemmy sounds pretty weird.
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Same. We need better Lemmy apps
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Jeroba is great and open source (and free)! Rather than "better Lemmy apps" why not just improve the one that already exists?
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Did the same this morning but with Boost. End of an era, really
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I've done the same. I miss RiF but I have to say, jerboa is nicer than expected. The main thing that gets me is that tapping on a comment hides it, I'm used to just selecting it to upvote lol
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I think Spez is gambling on the apathy of his website's core audience and on moderators being unwilling to indefinitely lock their subreddits. Relatively few communities have vowed to close their doors indefinitely (/r/videos and /r/iphone are the only two big ones I'm aware of) and I also think a lot of major ones are unwilling to escalate their protests beyond the original planned 48 hour blackout.
At this point I predict that Reddit will survive this, even if they're going to lose a sizeable chunk of their user base by eliminating third-party apps. There are a sizeable number of moderators that are still willing to work with Reddit and they can definitely replace those who shut off their subreddits.
Digg v4 happened because a better alternative already existed in the form of Reddit. At that point Digg had a serious power user and astroturfing problem, while many of its users joked that they were just a vessel for regurgitated content that was posted on Reddit the day before. The damage had already been done, to the point where users jumped ship in droves the moment Kevin Rose dropped the disastrous overhaul of Digg...
Rarely does internet slacktivism work, and there are still some scabs willing to jump the picket line and keep their subs operating as normal. Some of us remember the days of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 boycott when everyone vowed to boycott the game over having no dedicated servers, then went out, purchased it en masse and made Activision Blizzard break sales records.
Whether Reddit make drastic improvements to the official Reddit app remains to be seen. If I've learned anything it's that Reddit's admins are snakes and you cannot trust them.
The only good that's come from this is that Lemmy and Tildes finally have active user bases. Never have I felt a sense of community from a Reddit alternative since the early days of Voat (long before it was commandeered by white supremacists.)
I don't see Lemmy replacing Reddit, since the fediverse is complicated by nature and Lemmy has similar issues to Mastodon, where the discoverability of content outside of your main instance is practically fucking nonexistent.
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To be fair Voat was commandeered almost immediately or at least within a few days. I remember bouncing back very fast when I found out specifically why so many going there wanted "free speech." I chose to eat corporate shit rather than that malignant anti-social shit at the time. I don't like eating any kind of shit, and it doesn't seem as likely here as it seems like social responsibility is generally being given precedence over allowing fascists to say whatever they want.
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IIRC it wasn't within days but rather months after Spez took over Reddit and started banning content that promoted racial/religious hatred. Voat nearly died from lack-of-users after Ellen Pao was ousted and everybody pretty much abandoned the site.
Another thing that I recall was Stormfront (a white supremacist/nazi forum) having their hosting provider pull the plug on their service, which may have sparked some of their users to seek refuge on Voat.
There was another Reddit clone that existed two years ago called Ruqqus. It was a decent community, until Voat shut down and all of their bigoted users flocked to it...
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I don’t like eating any kind of shit
This is some terrific no context life advice.
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At that point Digg had a serious power user and astroturfing problem
I do not disagree with anything you said, and I agree that Reddit (as they want it to be) will come out of this just fine. That being said, Reddit does have a lot of the same major problems Digg had at the time, especially astroturfing and spam content, and I don't expect that to go away. Over the past couple years most of the posts on the front pages are often bot generated and/or posted karma farms, and it's becoming more and more common to see bot brigades in the comments of everything, manipulating the dialogue.
I've commented loads on here that I haven't felt a sense of community on Reddit in years, and it's getting more and more cookie cutter and instagrammy by the day. It's become something I just mindlessly scroll through instead of ever really engaging with, and tons of the posts are really just socially engineered ads. I'm really liking Lemmy, it feels like a fresh start. I miss a lot of the content, but I love that it's more engaging. IDC if it doesn't become the most popular thing, if I can come here and actually engage with people/content rather than just amble through it apathetically, I'm 100% down.
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I wouldn't "count our chickens before they hatch" here. If they lose the 3rd party app users to us Reddit will still be there, but we'll be a more viable alternative, and I bet mods and content creators are much more likely to make the switch.
Otherwise, excellent analysis, good work. I wasn't around for the Digg exodus so I wouldn't know this stuff.
By the way, what do you think makes discoverability hard? I've heard that before but I obviously had no problems.
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It's not intuitive to find communities on other servers. You have to be adamant that one exists it order to get it to come up in search after multiple attempts. Communities I've created on midwest.social still aren't showing up in the search on lemmy.ml or sopuli.xyz and I would rather people find my community than create a new one by the same name on their server.
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I think it's down to the communities page more than anything else. Don't know if it's a bug with Beehaw specifically or Lemmy in general not having the feature, but you can't sort/filter the list of communities by number of subscribers or by instance.
Still a tonne better than Mastodon... My biggest complaint about Mastodon and the reason I barely use it is that if you look at all posts outside of your instance, you get riddled with bot spam. All I saw in the 'All' feed outside of my local instance were posts from a hentai reposting bot that regurgitated posts from various imageboards and anime porn subreddits. Some of the content it posted was problematic to say the least.
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I agree. This feels more like the AACS encryption key fiasco to me than it does Digg v4. Brief context for the unaware, in 2007 Digg started taking down posts and accounts that referenced a hex code that could be used to decrypt HD-DVDs and Blu-rays. The userbase was very unhappy about it and spammed the front page with the code, rendering Digg basically useless. Digg relented pretty quickly, and while the site continued to chug along for another couple of years or so, the bad taste left in users' mouths surely triggered a lot of them to start jumping over to Reddit.
I was active on both sites for a good while. I loved TechTV when it was a thing, and had followed many of those personalities to their respective podcast networks and to Digg when that channel imploded; over time I definitely started leaning more towards Reddit though, as one could definitely see the corporate pressure that Digg was starting to cave to. The "darkening" of Reddit today feels a lot closer to that moment than to the big Digg v4 switchover -- the beginning of the end rather than the final nail. Feels very surreal looking back and having been there for all of it.
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undefined> I predict that Reddit will survive this
Sure it will survive. And it's certainly not assured that this will be the crack that breaks the dam, but it is one of them. As you described above, Digg didn't fall all at once. Reddit may stay dominant until they disable Old, or until they disable mobile browsers, or this protest may end up doing it. We won't know until long after the fact.
Even as a reddit addict I didn't know anything about spez and all he past creepiness until the discussions about the mobile apps shutting down. It was the impetus to send me to the Fediverse. My reddit addiction is broken (yeah!) and I wasn't even a mobile app user.
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I don't know if it will ever fall or fail, but I think the days of reddit being a place for the future of the internet to happen is over. People just plain don't trust the site anymore.
Like why build fun tools for it? Why help moderate a community? Why do anything on reddit if the post quality is insanely low, bots are everywhere, and trolls have taken over.
Companies do this a lot. They sacrifice good will and community for money because it can't easily be put down on a profit graph. So reddit seems fine to burn most of their genuine community to make a profit. And that's fine, they'll go elsewhere.
My hope is that somewhere like lemmy can stop the need to keep changing platforms.
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There's already been noise on the ModCood subreddit about "What if this fails? What next?"
I don't think protests like this alone are going to cut it. If they haven't figured this out already, they need to realize that this doesn't cut their ad revenue enough to make a difference. A coordinated campaign against Reddit advertisers would be a big blow. The disability issues alone should make advertisers pause.
OTOH, I do like Lemmy.
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I'm surprised we haven't seen power mods collectively band together to form their own Reddit clone.
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It’s so frustrating. I deleted Apollo and don’t see myself downloading the garbage reddit app, so I really hope a new website can come out on top. I wish one of this community driven platforms followed suit of Wikipedia and allowed donations to pay for site costs but didn’t try to become profitable. These kind of community-run (aka free labor) pillars on the internet are bigger than just a dumb tech company
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Fwiw, Tildes is non-profit and accepts donations. However they are fated by requiring an invite and are intentionally not growing quickly
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"At that point Digg had a serious power user and astroturfing problem, "
lmao. Sounds familiar. I think you're right that Reddit is going to survive, but I think this is a hard enough blow that it's going to change the personality of the site. For one, the IPO dreams seem DOA currently, with the handling of this, the fairly toxic nature of some areas on the site, and drying up of VC in tech all seem to be bad news for any optimism for Reddit as a company. I imagine that this treatment is going to lead to migration of some communities, maybe smaller ones, leaving only the karma-farming, bot-ridden, main subs to be "the front page of the internet" anymore.
I hope that Lemmy serves as an acceptable shelter if not home for users looking for the next good web aggregator/messageboard, despite its shortcomings and the growing pains.
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Reddit has a worse power-user problem than Digg. I mean at the very least Digg didn't give its most active users the power to remove other people's content. The difference is that Reddit already existed as a better alternative to Digg until it imploded, whereas until the recent API changes and blackout happened, there was no viable alternative to Reddit and a lack of people seeking an alternative.
I hope that Lemmy serves as an acceptable shelter if not home for users looking for the next good web aggregator/messageboard, despite its shortcomings and the growing pains.
Time will tell. My concern about Lemmy is that it's non-profit and server hosting costs are great. It's all well and good until you see some of the smaller instances shut down because they cannot afford to host.
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I removed my reddit app of choice (Sync), and left the spot on my home screen empty. I probably tapped that spot instinctively 20 plus times today. It's just muscle memory for what to pull up when I have some time to kill. The Fediverse seems like an estimated, but there is a shocking lack of cute animals here
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I’ve become partial to animals eating food 🥺 where do I go for this content 😭
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I'm not sure, but here's a photo of my son's blue parakeet eating to hold you over until you find it. (Also, let me know if you find such a community.)
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Nom nom nom. (But if you find fruit bats or capybaras eating, let me know!)
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Same, but for me it's Apollo! I had to take it off my home screen. I am committed to the 48 hours and beyond, if necessary! And got everyone in my house to join in too! But damn it's a hard habit to break!
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Stick around the cute animals are growing by the day! Seriously on Saturday I could only find one community dedicated to animals. Today while browsing I found like EIGHT!
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Same, I just kept instinctively looking for Boost throughout the day to scroll and then catching myself amd going "godamn it, you made accounts in other places a week ago for this! Just go there!"
I got better at it by the end of the day, by tomorrow hopefully I'll hop here or tildes first instead of mindlessly trying to open reddit first.
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The aww subreddit opened a Discord for the cute animal photos, but I had trouble navigating it and decided to just not go there. I'll admit to never using Discord before and for some reason it wasn't coming naturally.
And, yes, I know the username doesn't match with that. Not instinctively understanding a technology made me feel old.
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So instead of removing RIF, I removed my entire phone homepage. D'oh.
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I have typed the letter "o" for "old.reddit" about six or seven times today out of habit. Thanks to the Beehaw team for providing a space which is better than a simple substitute in many ways. I am simply incapable of operating any of the newer reddit interfaces, so once "old." is history that will be it for me totally.
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Save and import:
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Is there a way for the extension to replace only the domain? for example, https://lemmy.ml/c/memes will become https://sopuli.xyz/c/memes ?
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I opened Apollo once and got a special splash screen. I moved Apollo off the front page of my phone display.
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It was really sad to go to my Reddit profile and see how long I've been using it.
To think that for over 13 years, I've been using Reddit daily and for MULTIPLE hours a day. It has probably caused untold amounts of impact on my growth as a person. Its like breaking up with a lifelong partner, what a strange feeling.
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dude same. 13 years. Reddit has been a huge part of my life for a long time. I even lurked for a year or so before making an account. It feels like a break up in a weird way, but lets remember we're breaking up because they've become a controlling abusive spouse and we deserve better :)
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13 year club here too. It sure seems like a lot of us long timers have been the first to move. I guess there’s a certain sense of ‘I’ve seen where this goes’ from experience with other sites in the past.
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Also part of the 10+ year club (long time lurker). You're right about that "familiar sense", but for myself it comes with a forgotten sense of optimism.
Reddit's been on the decline for years before the Vitoria incident or The Great Purge... but as long as I had my niche communities, baconreader, and old.reddit.com - I could "get by"... as Reddit became more and more aggressive in selling "me as the product".
The federated and open source nature of Lemmy will solve the issue of "corporate presence", but it will require us to "roll up our sleeves" - which I find refreshing.
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No bots or astroturfing here yet though (or ChatGPT posts), so who knows, maybe Lemmy will spiral faster than expected
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only 12 years for me, but almost a decade of premium ends now
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Same here. been on reddit for around 12 years, of nearly constant daily use. it's a weird feeling.
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There are dozens of us!
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I'm getting my 13yr badge in November. Idk. I don't think I'm deleting my account. I couldn't even muster up the willpower to delete my Twitter account that I've had since 2009, that I've barely used for the last several years.
So to delete my reddit account, that I use everyday -- except at least today and tomorrow; probably first time in several years, maybe even a decade -- feels wrong.
My goal, however, is to reduce my activity on reddit over time. Give up my remaining mod positions. Start unsubscribing from subreddits little by little. Maybe just use it for researching work related thing. So far, Beehaw/Lemmy and Tildes and Mastodon have been holding my attention pretty well. We'll see.
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I can relate. I’m a sentimental digital hoarder, I guess. But I’ve beaten my impulses to get on reddit today at least!
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Yeah, I've learned so much from people on that place.
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The NSFW community (lemmyNSFW.com) has exploded due to the blackout.
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Praise porn-Jesus, horny be his name.
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NSFW always seems to push technology forward, be it video streaming, or VR, or now federated link aggreagators.
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Niche communities reign for now! I'll wait to create an alt account until the influx dies down, but this is, uh ... handy to know.
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We’re trying to expand it to cover more topics currently
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Are we blocked from seeing NSFW communities on Beehaw? (Not an issue, I would create an alt for that anyway. Just curious)
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Check your profile settings. There's a nsfw setting in there that might be blocking you
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I believe (could be wrong) that they just are against hosting NSFW communities on beehaw. You should still be able to view things from other instances if NSFW is enabled in your account settings.
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I think so. I am not sure but I remember reading somewhere that beehaw blocked nsfw. There is a stickied SFW post on lemmyNSFW that is for linking NSFW communities to those who wouldn’t be able to see them.
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I have an account on lemmy.world and can see more NSFW communities while browsing all communities. IDK if that's just a bi-product of them being more active or something beehaw does on their end and it just hasn't caught up with the influx yet, but either way it's fine with me. Beehaw ain't about porn, I'm perfectly fine having a separate account somewhere that is more about it.
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I can see it on mobile with jerboa so I don't think so
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I’ve been so happy with the tone and discussions here. I am hopeful that as we continue to grow we will see lots of people from Reddit, but that we will all check the reddit culture at the door. It feels really nice here.
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Well, the Denver Nuggets finally won their first ever NBA championship while the NBA subreddit was closed. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the sub reopens since - from what I understand - the decision to close that sub was not very popular with the users.
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Was proud of the /r/nba mods for closing. Unlike the /r/games mods who wouldn't even close it when the community wanted them to.
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Too bad r/DenverNuggets stayed public and created an r/nba refugee game thread
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If 200,000 people would rather figure out how to make all their individual forum softwares work together in synchrony than put up with your bloody app, Reddit, maybe you have a pretty shitty app?
Dunno. I never installed it coz I never install any apps if I can help it, and I know how to use a web browser. But if a quarter of a million people would rather subject themselves to the complexities of distributed information networks and the politics of inter-instance blocking than use your bloody app, Reddit, maybe you have a pretty shitty app?
It's like the kids today don't know what a web address is with their obsession with apps. They seem to prefer to download an executable than read a text document. If even them, a million zoomer kids who are normally obsessed with apps, if even they would rather entertain the idea of a communications commons not owned and controlled by oligarchs than use your app, then maybe you should have just used yer IPO money to buy Apollo?
Dunno. I've never installed either. Sounds sketchy. I distrust apps.
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? why are you pinging me
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Hey man, seem like a cool dude. Who wouldn't want to ping you? Keep being awesome my dude
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@Gaywallet Replying in your mega-thread. KBin here is tagging you when I do that and I didn't delete it.
Haven't used Lemmy much, perhaps that behaviour is different?
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I actually like the Reddit app (which apparently makes me the only one), but I'm not for Reddit fucking everyone over.
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I think you may actually be the only one. whoa. I've never downloaded it so I wouldn't know. But doesn't it have ads? Because I hate ads so much and would never use an app that pushed them. Fuck ads honestly, I actually put in a good amount effort to make sure I see exactly 0 minutes of ads per day.
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@TheButtonJustSpins It's like letting oligarchs monopolize the means of communication is a bad idea or something!? Who knew.
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I paid for the Apollo app when I used iOS, and I do not regret it in the slightest, because I've never been paid for any of the programming I've ever done. In fact, it's all been done under the auspice of a student loan that I never earned a degree from. I'm happy to see someone get paid for their programming work and the fact that a multi-billion dollar company is trying to extort these programmers disgusts me to the highest level.
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This made my day, as a person in your situation i can relate this..
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I actually paid for Apollo and I have no regrets doings so. I've never been paid for any of my programming work. In fact, it's all been done under the auspice of a student loan that I didn't even get a degree from, so I paid for my own programming work. The fact that Reddit is trying to extort these indie developers disgusts me to the highest degree.
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And Christian is constantly trying to improve the app and be transparent. Never regretted paying for it.
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Reddit, maybe you have a pretty shitty app?
Oh, they know. They just don't care.
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The mobile web interface sucks diarrhea geysers, so yeah, those of us who use our phones more than our, ahem, desktop terminals prefer an app that's actually optimized for mobile.
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@CeruleanRuin their website says right there on the nag popup. This website is deliberately user hostile, to drive you all onto the app where you can be efficiently transported towards the rotating knives.
I mostly just didn't look at Reddit much to avoid the trap.
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Caught myself googling “something something Reddit” today and realized this is gonna be harder than I thought. Really liking it here though and hopefully this gets the user base up to a point I can start googling “something something beehaw”
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Yeah this is the main reason I won't be giving up reddit 100% once the 3rd party apps go down. I definitely won't be doom scrolling on my phone like I used to, but I 100% will still use reddit on my desktop as a research tool. There's just nothing else like it for the amount of quality niche information atm.
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If I'm forced to the official Reddit app, I'll go from following 30+ subreddits to only 5 or 6. And even those, I'll likely comment less on.
There are communities like /r/LEGO that I don't know of a replacement for. (Maybe there could be a thread where people post the Reddit communities that they miss and people reply with alternatives. Someone could even keep a list to make it easy to search.
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Same, I've got an ad blocker and I won't be using it for content. But reddit still has an amazing repertoire of knowledge.
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I've had multiple times when I launched Boost (my third party app of choice - at least until it's forced to shut down) out of force of habit.
Thankfully, I planned for this eventuality. I installed a "focus" app and set it to block Boost and the Reddit app for 2 days. (I've since also moved the apps away from their usual spot on my phone to prevent launches.)
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I just uninstalled BaconReader a couple of days ago. I replaced its shortcut with Jerboa yesterday.
I logged into old a few times since to check for any orangereds, but it's been long enough now that I never need to go back to check on anything.
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As the other commenter said, this is also why I won't give up reddit 100%
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Ooooh man, I was searching up something earlier today and out of reflex I clicked a Reddit result. Felt icky once I realized where I ended up and went Back fast 😅.
It'll be interesting to see if/how we'll come to adapt to a more decentralized getup in time. I wonder how we might quickly search through all the public federated platforms at once? It's gon' get old fast to type
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What's interesting is that a bunch of subreddits have disappeared from my multis in Apollo, perhaps because they were dark for over a day? Not sure.
Just woke up and first thing I do was open Apollo (lol) and this is what I noticed.
Apollo shutting down completely is going to disrupt my life like crazy!
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On the official app and site, subs that went private completely disappeared from search and subscriptions, even if you're still able to go to the url. I figure the same is true across various apps.
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How is it possible, that with 90% of subbreddits set to private, the number of posts and comments created on reddit do not decrease according to https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/? (EDIT: I might have based this percent on misinterpreted information, see EDIT at end of comment. But I leave the following paragraphs unchanged for history and food for thought.)
Activity only decreased by 20-30% if I'm being generous looking at the graph. How is this possible, is the graph accurate? How can 10% of subreddits be so active, like nothing happened? That would meanthe remaining 70-80% of activity is happening in 10% of the subreddits which are still open! Which is craaazy.
I have a theory - maybe we are underestimated the amount of bots on the site and they operating like nothing happened in the open subreddits? If this would be the case (and I'm gonna enter speculation and conspiracy territory here), but what if certain parties have quotas to fulfill for advertisers or propaganda machines, so they have to post (using bots or other means)?
I struggle to find the cause of this anomaly, of course you wouldn't see 1:1 decrease in subbreddits going dark and activity, because people are subscibed to plethora of subbreddits. But I thought that it'll be at least 50-60% decrease in post activity. Worst case scenario is that these are real users creating real posts and comments, because that would make this protest moot - It would just show reddit management that the community doesn't matter, general public who come to the site will still interact with the remaining slop, advertisers rejoice.
EDIT: I based the 90% number on this site's statistic: https://reddark.untone.uk/. My understanding was that these subreddits makes up for most of all subs on reddit. Turns out, as @brightside@compuverse.uk mentioned in this comment, these are only subreddits that participate in the blackout. Based on the README.md of this reddark fork, it pulls the list of participating subreddits from the threads on r/ModCoord.
However I still feel the impact of the blackout a little lackluster. If this is the case, this statistic could be explained by another phenomenon: that the distribution of reddit activity by subreddits have an incredibly long tail. Meaning, that a significant portion of comments and posts are created in a very large quantity of small subs, which does not participate in the protest.
But as @immolator@lemmy.world mentioned in this comment, it's not only the long tail effect, but there are huge subreddits which does not participate as well, including the largest one /r/AskReddit. Really makes you think about how the blackout is going against the odds.
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An interesting feature of Apollo is the ability to highlight accounts that are less than a month old. Between seeing that highlight, and a slew of randomly generated usernames, it's amazing how many accounts on there that are almost certainly bots, just chatting away.
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As far as i understand it's not 90% of all Subs but 90% of all the Subs who announced to participate in the Blackdown. Many Subs, especially ones led by Reddit employees but also many NSFW subs are still public
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I got the 90% from here: https://reddark.untone.uk/ - So this site is only listing the subreddits which declared their participation? In that case, I misunderstood the purpose of this site. I thought that this is a mostly complete subreddit list (granted, I have no idea how many subreddits exists on reddit... I'm not sure you can even get a list or scrape them effectively)
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You're forgetting about porn/OF promotion suns. You have no idea how many posts they have per day. The mumber is mindbogling.
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True... Hornyposters are a whole different beast, seems to me like a separate "community" within reddit who doesn't really care about other stuff. I'm not a saint, I browse NSFW subreddits as well, but to I cannot comprehend why would someone want to comment under some random nude. The amount of thirsty comments are mind-boggling
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I refuse to believe such smut could be responsible. It just doesn't add up. Maybe if you could tell me what subreddits you're talking about I could perform my own research into the subject.
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Reddit is the self proclaimed "front page of the internet" and some of the subreddits that are "firmly in control" by Reddit are the ones related to news and politics. Similar to how Youtube videos have mountains of comments for whatever reason, people tend to leave comments on news stories on various news sites and politics tends to encourage many people to add their voices to that vigorous discussion wherever it is being held.
People going to Reddit are likely people who want to comment on the latest news story or political tidbit and those people want other people in the comments to banter with and to read what they have to say. To that end, Reddit has not changed much since the blackout.
Reddit likely has an important core part of their site. I feel that core part is the news and political discussions. Reddit likely feels that it would be financially advantageous to advertise to that group and that they will "always come back" so long as those communities remain intact.
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Bots usually post to their own user page/subreddit to my knowledge.
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Depends on the bot. There are many that go into subreddits and repost old popular posts. Sometimes in subreddits you wouldn’t think of. Like, for some reason the King Of The Hill subreddit had a really bad reposting bot infestation. I guess those wholesome and kind of niche but moderately active subs are chosen because people are less likely to dig into it, but if you check on the post history it becomes clear it’s an account with no comments that is just reposting content back into subs.
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Is this a restriction on bot activity? I guess it would make sense for non-malicious bots using the API, but there's nothing stopping writing a malicious bot just using the website scraping and automation to post anywhere. At least I never had to fill out a captcha, but there's possible there are measure against these kind of bots as well.
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New myself, but you seem to be doing it right.
However, the link only shows the first paragraph unless you have an account, at least for Firefox on Android.I googled paywall blockers, and this one is working for me.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ffortune.com%2F2023%2F06%2F12%2Freddit-revolt-puts-ceo-steve-huffman-in-a-tough-position%2F -
Some might say that some Redditors have always been revolting!
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Sire, the peasants are revolting.
I agree.
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It's nice that you shared this info, but could you try and stay away from money locked websites? A (granted European) student doesn't have money. Or not enough anyways xD
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Generally 12ft.io or archive.ph will sort out a paywall, also there are a number of plugins which can unlock them
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Amen.
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NoScript (a Firefox extension) seems to have disabled the paywall for me. Might have been origin too, but I doubt it.
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Or at least post the important text here
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This morning I deleted all my posts, comments, and accounts on the aliensite. 4 accounts total, and over 10 years of data. I hope others will do the same. At least for the sake of the app devs. They deserve better.
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I nuked all my posts and comments as well.
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I did the same, 12+ years. I was an Alien Blue user till they bought it and spezzed it up, then I found Apollo and never looked back. I debated waiting, but at this point I just can't support that platform anymore, even if they do try to backtrack.
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What's the benefit of deleting ones account(s) vs just letting it become an unused relic? Wouldn't making them dedicate that fraction of their service space to dead accounts/comments/etc be more of a burden than removing it all for them?
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There is something very cathartic about deleting 11 years worth of posts and comments....
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Honestly I was genuinely so sick of reddit that I didn't even bother deleting.
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The thing that is killing reddit for me is its endless suggestion of communities that I may want to read. I use reddit to get away from having stuff shoved into my face. I want to explore and find things that are relevant to me or things that are unique and challenging, not have random nonsense shown to me as a way of increasing some silly engagement metric.
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Great article thank you for the read.
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tell your users that the community belongs to them for long enough, and at some point they’ll start to believe you
Very well-put!
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I just joined kbin and have no idea what i'm doing lol. ended up making this account on fedia and another on kbin.social since they can't seem to see the same posts. not sure what to do long term...
Reddit kinda feels like a sinking ship right now. I wonder how many subreddits will go public again?
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The instances all store separate versions of the same data. However, federation only starts, when your instance gets a reference to the community. So say you are on a different instance. Initially, you won't see your favourite communities, so you'll have to start searching for them and linking them up in your instance. Once that happens, your instance will start receiving the posts, with the caveat, that old posts and comments will not be visible.
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I think kbin.social is also struggling with federation as a whole right now. But as for the "starts only when youre instance get a reference to the community" what all counts for that? someone searching in the search bar? someone posting cross-instance?
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Can you please explain how I can link them up?
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I have no idea how to join kbin. This is all too confusing
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You just make an account like on a normal website.
The main kbin site is: https://kbin.social/
While I'm posting from an alt-instance right now: https://fedia.io/
Both sites will give the same UI. Though the main kbin site is having some difficulties federating properly atm. hence why I'm on fedia right now. You just sign up with a username/password/email like normal and then you're on.
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I know, you're just used to the centralized approach. Give it a few days, things will start sinking in.
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I’ve been posting this to subs that haven’t blacked out:
Reddit wants to begin selling API data access to large AI companies at a really high margin so those AI companies can train their data on the content we generate and contribute to reddit, and reddit can make a shit ton of money on that.
This data API is also how third party apps and mod tools access reddit. Rather than charging apps a lower tier and AI companies a large one, reddit has instead decided to charge everyone for that data access.
As a result, not only are third party reddit apps going away because they’d have to charge huge fees to their users, but so are a lot of the tools that reddit’s unpaid volunteer moderators use to moderate subs, which means moderation quality is going to drastically drop soon.
In addition, the official reddit app is terrible for accessibility, and does not work with things like screen readers that blind or partially-sighted people use. These issues have been reported to reddit since alienblue became the official reddit app, reddit does not care to put money into fixing them. third party apps do this. people who rely on these apps to be able to even use reddit are basically getting kicked off reddit for being disabled.
All so reddit can cash in on all the content the communities of reddit produce, without compensating the content creators nor paying the unpaid volunteer moderators whose lives they just made way more difficult.
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Louis Rossmann described it as “FU pricing“. This is a product they don’t want to sell. If someone is actually crazy enough to pay that price, they can certainly provide the service very easily with a huge margin.
Gathering all the remaining users under the same ad infested app was the main goal here. That’s where the real money is.
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Although it's worth pointing out how this is a strange way to monetize if any of their claimed numbers are right. If they're getting 12 cents a user on their app per month, why not try and get idk 20 cents per user on api, or make the access via reddit sub at that 3 dollars a month tier directed at the users rather than the apps.
This almost cannot be strictly about money, it's about control at the cost of subscription opportunities imo.
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since data is so valuable because ai's are trained on it, i wonder what the impact would be when redditors edit their data (not delete it since it will still show up in google) to nonsense. ie, how much would chatgpt answers change? it already hallucinates... anyway, imagine if a lot of people decided to lie about something, what would happen?
and if /rchatgpt was working... i'd go there :(....... speaking of, i wonder if there are any chatgpt subs here.
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https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite this tool lets you do something similar.
I plan to make mine an explanation why i left, and an intro to lemmy etc
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(anyone can c/p this to post themselves if you want to, with or without edits)
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Childish smirk of the day...
https://reddark.untone.uk/ shows that r/SexInFrontOfOthers is public.
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😂
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So is r/sinkpissers.
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Interesting. The comments are now lagging well below normal. Here's a screenshot from the blackout tracker. The red arrow shows how reddit is still spamming lots of new posts, but comments are much lower than usual. Normally, at the peak times, comments are at or even above the number of posts. Not today though.
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Since the source graph gets wonky immediately before the crop, there's not really enough here to compare against from the before-times (last week).
But what is here looks like a very large problem on the comment front, with each peak being lower than the last and and the latter two nadirs following the same pattern. The presumed "small number of power users" were having a noticeable impact more than 48 hours earlier. (and, hey ... good on them for using 0 as the axis)
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good on them for using 0 as the axis
They basically had to after today's outage. Both almost dropped to 0.
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This is cool where did you find it? Or did you generate it?
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Guessing it's this: https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/
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I've been curious as to what the end user experience on reddit might look like today and tomorrow. The blackout tracker seems to show fairly typical activity though. https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/ That perplexes me.
Maybe people are still checking reddit like usual, but many posts are hours old in the private subreddits that they may subscribe to? I know a percentage of subreddits didn't go dark, but those wouldn't be big enough to cause engagement to stay at the usual levels. Anyone hazard a guess as to what's up?
Oh...thank you guys for keeping up with all the chaos from us new folks slamming your servers!
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Reddit still pulls things to r/all, even if what's there is some abandoned sub. It's why some subs went restricted instead of private, so they can make posts about the protest and the issue behind it that will still be surfaced.
A lot of newer users don't bother going past r/all, so there's going to be some activity constantly since not everyone knows what's going on.
Hell, I made three posts about it all on r/edc, and I'm still getting people asking why they can't post. I'm not moderating during the two day blackout at all, but I get the notifications.
Which is fine. The protest has never been about getting people to stop using reddit. It's about the moderators standing up and making the point that it's the users and mods that made reddit worth anything to begin with. And it was. Reddit side? The admins that handled day to day activity helped a ton when they could, but reddit beyond that was just servers and software. Without content, that's useless.
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First of all, thanks for moderating r/edc as that is one of my favorite subs. 2nd question - are there plans for setting up an equivalent over here? I have seen a lot of new “magazines” on K-bin the last few days, but it would be great to get sanctioned, equivalent subs over here and then more Reddit regulars could simply “move on over”. Maybe that is happening, and I just don’t know how to fine it? Some instances, like Beehaw, are restrictive in creating new communities, not sure what the process is for doing that in those locations.
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It looks like the activity is flattening now. I guess the stale content is starting to have an effect.
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I know I've instinctively opened Sync a couple times already. I assume a lot of people who use reddit are lurkers as well, who don't really pay any attention to the quality of the homepage and will just browse like nothing changed.
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My Moose Sense was tingling and I decided to check on the subs I moderate on Reddit. Sure enough, there were issues.
One of the three subs was set to 'restricted' (nobody can post or comment but the sub is still open), not private. (I'll pedantically put my explanation for this at the bottom so you can ignore it).
However, the seniorest mod, who is never around (seriously, his last post/comment was 10 years ago!), decided the sub should be private, not restricted. And he'd tried to do it himself, but because he hadn't been around for at least two years, the site wouldn't let him make the change! So I've changed it and it's now private.
Additionally, a report troll appeared, because he couldn't make any comments. I guess that's an even better reason to make it private.
[you can now ignore my exposition blather]
The sub was set to restricted instead of private because, well, part of this protest is also about people with vision impairments not being able to use the iOS mobile app and relying on 3rd party apps. If a subreddit is private, any message set by the moderators ("This sub is private because...") is not displayed by the Reddit mobile app. So the idea was, restrict access so any regular mobile reader would be sure to know what we were doing. But with 7000+ subs dark, I don't think it's any great mystery any more.
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Is Beehaw accepting donations for server costs? I can only imagine that the hosting bill is going to be preeeeeetty steep this month…
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yes. you can donate here
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Ooh wonderful, thanks for sharing!
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Thank you! I’ll donate when I get paid this week.
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We sure are, I think it should be in the sidebar but if it's not, https://opencollective.com/beehaw
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A one-time donation will help now, and with all the new users it seems like Beehaw needs some support now. A smaller but recurring monthly contribution would also help now and would add to a regular pool of funds which can allow Beehaw to be able to plan how to accommodate the larger community on a permanent basis. I think the community is worth having to wait through some of the strain right now, but I would like to contribute to infrastructure upgrades and maintenance so I have decided to make a recurring contribution.
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The rust subreddit is apparently considering moving to Lemmy:
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David Revoy's take on the Reddit situation: https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/110532791930270318
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This is a fantastic idea, thank you.
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yeah we hung with the flood of topics about this for a bit but it's not super tenable (or desirable) on our end for every second post on our front page to be about reddit, lol
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Would love to see a list of large subreddits that aren't participating and the statements (if any) they put out explaining why.
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/r/Games basically said they wouldn't close up because it's Summer games news week so why hurt the people coming to the subreddit? But also some kind of "we stand with the blackouts so we'll make some very light changes in protest".
I've generally liked and preferred Games to other choices on Reddit, but it showed they just didn't care. Went ahead and unsubscribed because of that weak response.
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I can kinda, sorta understand their reasoning and I think Summer Games Fest is very awkward timing for them to blackout.
If they don't participate in further protests (and I see more blackouts happening), that's when we know they're full of shit.
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Yeah, I didn't understand that either. Its not like video games are some sort of resource that lives may depend on, like r/ukraine which is more understandable. Oh God we wouldn't want to miss a Nintendo Direct or something, would we? 🙄
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Dunno if it counts as large, but r/Ukraine is understandably staying open and made a statement in support of the blackout
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r/Australia made a half-arsed "we support the movement, but we're not going dark" post which was met with much ridicule from the community as "pissweak" and "a very Australian response, like our climate change policy".
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There is an education based sub I was an active member of. Last I checked they have not gone dark or made an announcement. But people might depend on it for school and exams. So I’m OK with them not going out. They also are not huge.
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Hell, I'll let this be my first comment; it's on a different instance than my account to boot! I'm running into some issues with some of the newer instances not being federated; some of the subreddits I was hoping to replace here are unavailable as a result. Still, I'm happy enough to be a part of something new and different.
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If they're new, it might be an issue with the Reddit Hug. From the way I understand it, Kbin has been hit hard by new signups and added extra cloudflair checks to slow everything down in order to keep going while the backend is worked on. That slowness has meant less frequent polling of the fediverse and less caching, so fewer posts are reaching the front page and external instances occasionally don't show up in search (especially if they're new).
Not sure if this is the issue you're seeing on lemmy.dbzer0.com as well, but either way I bet it's just growing pains. How do you like the fediverse so far?
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That is indeed the issue over on kbin.social, it's basically isolated at this point. for the time being I made a fedia account since it's the same kbin ui and things seem to be syncing better here?
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You should try again after the heat dies down. Also consider donating
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r/programming is private even though I think a lot of the mods were reddit employees, I think even u/spez. what is going on lol
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If the AMA taught us anything, it's that spez doesn't actually use reddit. Let alone understand it.
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Spez is playing both sides so he comes out on top!
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He may be playing both sides, but he will always be a bottom.
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PSA: Reddit Power Delete Suite
The "edit comment" feature, whether paired with deletion or used by itself, does not work due to hitting rate limits. The developer is aware, but don't have capacity to fix it atm.
Some forks fix it. I didn't have the patience to figure out which ones did, which ones worked, or how do use their modified versions, so I made my own fork including a working "release" of sorts. It it rate limited to wait 5 seconds between each edit:
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Mr. Rathschmidt added that some apps are more efficient and require significantly fewer A.P.I. calls and that “Apollo is notably less efficient than other third-party apps.”
“The vast majority of A.P.I. users will not have to pay for access; not all third-party apps usage requires paid access,” he wrote, adding that access is “is free for moderator tools and bots.”
That is some shoddy reporting there. Selig is cited earlier in the piece, so to let that quote stand unchallenged either means an editor didn't see it or ... well, I'd rather not get more confirmation from the Times on that front.
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I've noticed this a lot about mainstream reporting - seems to give more voice to corporates than anyone else.
I've read a number of articles on the protest over the past few days and not a single of them really explained all the issues well.
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They’re still going on about efficiency, meanwhile Apollo only used 0.4% of the requested daily limit Reddit required of 3rd party apps.
They set the limit, and are now acting like their hands were forced by an app hitting 1/250th of that limit.
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The Apollo developer said something like, and I’m heavily paraphrasing, Reddit recommended to use less than 10000 api calls per user per day and he was at like 300.
So he was fat before the recommendation so why further optimize it. He said if Reddit worked with him, he would have been happy to do optimizations, but s as months notice does not really give him time.
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If i may dream, the actual solution to this issue would be a mod/user takeover along the lines of a factory occupation, or a more peaceful worker buyout. (Sometimes the former leads to the latter.)
When the tools of production are a server farm, how do they get taken over? What does it look like?
To be a little more grounded, the real targets of this action should not be "reddit" or /u/spez. It should be whoever is actually in charge. Do we know who that is?
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Disturbingly, there is really no way to know who actually owns a private company like Reddit. Once it goes public, then the owners will be the shareholders (and in reality, the owners are the major shareholders who have a controlling stake).
The only clue to the current ownership is whatever management wishes to disclose. Spez wrote a blog post in 2021 indicating that they issued $250M in "series E funding" to existing and new investors.
If there are any finance bros around here, they may be able to dig up some sort of disclosures from bond auctions to try and see who bought it.
The only confirmed investor I know about is Tencent. They invested in 2019. Its possible they were also some of the "existing investors" Spez referred to in 2021.
Bottom line: nobody knows who owns Reddit. But apparently the owners think this guy Spez is a good fit to run their company, somehow.
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But apparently the owners think this guy Spez is a good fit to run their company, somehow
He's exactly what they want. A complete straw man with a hateable face, a genuine Nimrod that thinks he's the smartest guy in any room he's ever been in. Sprinkle in being a privelaged yes man and he's the perfect face for an ownership group that wants to remain anonymous. He's literally Tom from Succession, might even be who that character is based on IRL.
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Yikes, I had no idea Tencent is a Reddit investor. That's another big reason for me to steer clear of Reddit!
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I think the Fediverse is an illustration that innovation can thrive without profit motive. Maybe just copying services, picking up the pieces, and moving there is the only reasonable protest anyone can do on the Internet.
In essence, to make one's own website, with blackjack, and hookers.
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Glad to see them saying as "thousands." Yesterday I saw a headline (can't remember where) that claimed "hundreds" which felt disingenuous, regardless of how you feel about the protest.
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It's possible the headline was already old, everything happened quite quickly, better to check the time the article was written, or if you're doing a search, reduce results to last 24 hours (last hour even).
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Trace it to the root of the problem, if the subreddits going dark took the servers down, then what made all the subreddits go dark 🤔
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My guess is that it didn’t. I wonder if all of the subreddits going dark left the front page and r/all open to god knows what from more unsavory subs, and when Reddit realized that it was happening, pulled the plug until they were able to filter out anything less-than-corporate-allowable on the front page.
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Just an 'Oh crap investors can see r/sinkpissers shutitdownshutitdown'
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I read somewhere on one of these federated sites (I'd have to dig through my history to find it) that it's essentially the spaghetti code that is Reddit. This person, who claimed to have worked at Reddit years ago, said that the aggregation engine for things like r/all is very inefficient and when thousands of subreddits went dark it wouldn't be able to parse (or something like that).
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I've heard something similar. What I heard specifically was that the front page algorithm had to keep digging deeper and deeper to populate desired content; that this somehow tanked the site.
(I'm not a dev or programmer, apologies if my Info isn't exact)
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hey folks, new megathread is thataway since this one has like 500 comments already and news is quickly cycling out of date. we'll lock this one down shortly. thanks!
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This definitely feels like the D&D OGL fiasco. That got some big news. It felt like Reddit was the primary platform for organizing that boycott. It's a shame that Reddit didn't learn any lessons from WOTC.
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Thankfully I had the foresight to install Expanse a few months ago and it has been dutifully downloading my data all this time and puts it in a nice searchable GUI. Might be quicker than waiting for the download LOL
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still waiting for mine! then it's delete content, delete account
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Too much load? Reddit is down.
Not enough load? Believe it or not, also down.
I'd love to know what it is about subreddits going private that caused issues.
Want Free API? Straight to down status.
Want cheaper API? Also straight to down status
Not enough people on Reddit because of protests? Also straight to down status
This comment is so good an upvote won’t do justice (without awards, a classic comment such as this now has some merit.. it’s a new day boys & girls, a good day)
Rebelling moderators, we have a special jail for rebelling moderators.
thank you, this comment made my day
Lol, this made me chuckle out loud. Good job Sausage man!
When Reddit forcibly opens everything back up:
“Who’s there?”
“Hired mods?”
"Wait, you all are getting paid?"
Whatever causes the website to have trouble, I'm all for it, right now.
I already wondered if I got lightning-banned for sending too many API requests in a short time, when I used a script to auto-edit all my comments and text-posts.
Verge: Reddit crashed because of the growing subreddit blackout
My hypothesis is that it's probably because so much of Reddit posting is automated by their own bot network now that they DDOS'd themselves trying to auto-post to subs that are suddenly locked. Like they didn't even bother tracking which subs would be blacking out and like...write exceptions to their post schedule.
A significant number. Fantastic. I'm not sure I believe the stability issues, I'm just a a tin foil hat kind of guy though. I guess it's possible.
Reddit didn't design their systems around needing to deal with a huge number of subs going private all at the same time. It's not surprising that it caused a short outage.
Ah, "expected", such a wonderful word! They expected for their infrastructure to explode, just according to keikaku...
Bold of you to assume they had a keikaku to begin with