What if Reddit reverts it's changes?

I dont see most less technical users moving at all without some more UI maturity. The whole federated services thing is just a bit too abstract a concept for most. And right now its difficult to find/join communities outside your instance.
- Honestly, there's a pull request right now on lemmy-ui for instance agnostic linking, that combined with automatically staying on your instance will completely resolve the only issue I see for normal people.
  That and a little jank here and there but that's bound to get buffed out.
- The confusion seems unwarranted to me, though. It's literally the same as email. Every time I discuss fediverse with people, all of their confusion stems from presumed complexity that doesn't actually exist. The server they pick matters just as much as it does for their email. So the process is: create an account somewhere, and start interacting with communities. That's it.
- I don't think it's too abstract for people. I think we're all just really bad at explaining it to non-techies.
  When you move to a city, choosing the neighborhood you want to buy your house in doesn't stop you from being able to drive around looking at others.
  It ain't rocket science.
- See my post history if the ui is bothering you. With Sylus browser add on, some very small ui tweaks make the site much easier on the eyes
after I found out about the fediverse I've wondered why not more people use it and why it wasn't already popular
- For most people it’s just a bit too arcane.
- Because most people just don’t understand it. It’s has a high barrier of entry (relatively speaking) and there aren’t really any good mobile apps. While I love the idea of the fed Ivette I just can’t imagine trying to explain it to everyone that’s isn’t tech savvy.

Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn't the first break. Big social is having problems, it's the natural course of things.

This is a great point!

For me, they'd have to

Replace /u/spez
Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
Open-source significant parts of their platform.

I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.

Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?
- Not recently... I'm just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.

Of course, there will be people who just don't care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don't care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don't moderate any subreddits, and don't follow the Internet news.

I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.
Link? That's not good news :/
- I think that's from his AMA response
- I haven't seen any new news compared to yesterday in spez's AMA. Nothing in regards to him responding to the forthcoming blackout (which is currently 3800+ / 6625 subs)
- https://www.pcmag.com/news/reddit-ceo-were-sticking-with-api-changes-despite-subreddits-going-dark
Not just that, they also announced their intent to turn reddit into an even more ad-infested hellhole: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads
This is the future of reddit in the official app everyone: https://www.redditinc.com/assets/images/site/image2.gif
- Ugh, that kind of makes me want to vomit. What a shame.
- The redditinc thing is freaking hilarious.
- That may be the grossest thing I've seen yet from a UI perspective. FFS.

Personally, I don't see myself going back. I'll just chill with my new community here.

Same

I already like the community here more

Same. I'll definitely stay here.
- Also same. This community is so welcoming and willing to build something great
Same. I'm here to stay.

I wouldn't care. The irreversable damage is done.

Reddit's handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO's AMA pretty much ignored all criticism of the API changes (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo's developer threatening them.... They've shown their real colours.

I don't want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else. I used Reddit for over a decade and they've eradicated my trust in a few days.

Reddit as a company have clearly demonstrated their philosophy as a social media platform is make money. Even if they reverse the decision, at this point it'd clearly be a PR move to save their sinking reputation rather than coming from a place of genuine constructive dialogue.

Its a shame, but at the same time I'm excited to see where things go from here. Reddit's always had a bit of a quality control problem due to its sheer volume of content. Maybe this mass user exodus will lead to an alternative community discussion platform with a smaller, more refined, engaged userbase.

I'm actually excited to see where things go from here to be honest. Maybe Reddit will become a home of pointless content like memes whilst deeper discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that'd be better, actually

Oh, so he ended up doing it?
Edit: Darn it, that's right. /r/AMA went private. Is the thread archived somewhere?
- Wasn't on r/AMA, was on r/reddit. Here you go.

They've already posted that they're going to "double down" on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.

It wouldn't matter at all, because it's just a matter of time before they implement such features and don't back down.

They'll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn't enormous if they go this route.

Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don't go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say "oopsie." It don't work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.

Well said - my patience ran out about 6 or 7 "mistakes" ago. I'm never going back.

I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my “social media”

Yup other than the occasional tidbit that will eventually get here I just want something to doomscroll and kill time.

I don't trust Reddit any more. I made a comment elsewhere about why.

use both lemmy and reddit

I've fully committed to replacing reddit in my life, I'm trying to be active here and pointing people to Lemmy when I can. Reddit has made it clear they dont care about users. they get content for free, moderation for free, etc. They pissed on their base and deserve a mass exodus. I just hope people follow through.

I would stay on both. Keep reddit just for the more specific subreddits I like that aren't big here.

yep same here. ive found a lot of really niche subreddits that i think have found a home on reddit and probably just don't care enough to move, or don't have that big of a community or engagement that would make a migration possible

I prefer the smaller crowd here. Reddit just feels like a mall these days. Between all the bullshit, tencent, ads and assholes, I’m not looking back.

I don't think I'll go back except for niche content/communities I don't expect to see here for a while.

I've overwritten and deleted all my comments and posts and nuked my account. This is my new home.

Yeah, I'd go back. I notice the bot content has gotten bad on Reddit, but the communities I follow are still okay.

For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can't trust the platform given his track record.

Stay! And participate less in their site, so they note the change.

I'm seeing how things play out.

I certainly like Lemmy and I could very well use both for a while. I'm mostly worried my favorite subs (especially my local City sub) won't migrate or be an active enough group here. Time will tell. I want to follow the community, not the platform.

That's a big issue. Unfortunately there is no way to keep everything after such a thing

Reddit showed their hand and I'm just done with all these corpos. Reddit is my last hold out and I'm slowly leaving that too. I'm moving to the decentralized FOSS future that I believe in where we the people have the power.

Frfr

Nothing could convince me to go back, we need decentralization.

I prefer the smaller crowd here. Reddit just feels like a mall these days. Between all the bullshit, tencent, ads and assholes, I’m not looking back.

I probably won't permanently boycott them if they revert, but won't leave here either.

Me too. I like it here

I honestly think most people would go back just out of habit. Even if they don’t go back, once things calm down. I’d absolutely love people to move to fedi, but I just don’t think it’s gonna happen.

I fully support all the reasons for ditching Reddit altogether, but if I can’t use Apollo, I’ll only ever use it on desktop, and even then just to look stuff up via Google.

Installed Mlem and have committed to making this place a good one.

The apollo_for_reddit developer (android) is looking into making their app compatible with alternative platforms, hopefully more Reddit apps follow suit so they can make interacting on Lemmy as frictionless as possible

I haven’t been a daily Reddit user for a long time, if Apollo stayed active and useable I’d keep it loaded on my phone but I’m into the vibe on lemmy and want to be part of it.

Lemmy is too good to leave. I don't think I'm alone either. I was wanting an alternative for a while.

I'll use both then. reddit is still unparalleled for support, simply because of its sheer size

I prefer the smaller crowd here. Reddit just feels like a mall these days. Between all the bullshit, tencent, ads and assholes, I’m not looking back.

I plan on sticking to lemmy and only using reddit on the pc for specific things that I can't find here for the time being

Yep, congrats Reddit you've become StackOverflow for me. Searching for weird answers and taking them. I'm no longer contributing, I have Sync on my phone out of respect, but will not participate there. Not that karma matters, but I see tons of posts here of some super high karma users all leaving - which does mean that they pissed off their largest contributors.
As Facebook before them, let them drive out their content creators and let themselves fall into the corporate ad-riddled hellscape they want.

I’ll stay here, the decentralized concept makes so much more sense for this kind of application

I think I'm on Lemmy for the long haul - I like the fediverse decentralisation. The hardest part of Reddit to abandon will be the search results on Google, but perhaps we'll see something similar with Lemmy in a few years if it picks up steam.

I rally hope that Lemmy instances allow themselves to be indexed. Reddit had become a great source of information - I hope Lemmy instances can too. That information needs to be discoverable to be useful.

I would half move back. There are a lot of niche subs that I can't find here, like r/NonCredibleDiplomacy. But I would still use Lemmy, it is more homey.

They have already tipped their hand and shown that money is what they are actively after. My trust is gone. If they were to revert changes at this point, I would simply read that as "We have delayed our plan until we come up with something else."

Personally I doubt I'll delete my account on Reddit. But as someone who will cling to old.reddit.com and adguard to the bitter end, I'll happily let my account gather dust unless there's a support question or something for a community that hasn't taken off here.

Keeping Reddit as a backup will at least being me some productivity back. I'm supposed to be a writer, I would probably get more actual writing done.

I've wanted to leave since the old shitredditsays days (had the handle /u/outwrangle ), but back then there weren't any good alternatives (SA cost actual money and Tumblr went to shit after it was acquired by Yahoo) so I stayed on leddit out of a lack of alternatives.

The blackout is just the brd finally coming to free us from the hellsite. I will never return.

I forgot all about SRS, back in the day one of the first times a Reddit comment I wrote got a bunch of upvotes some SRS folks came after me and it was super confusing. I got really bizarre messages from angry people who seemed completely unhinged.
- When all you have is a hammer, all your problems look like nails. There were sometimes... excesses.

What if your SO stops beating you?

Reddit is absolutely, 100% certainly not going to step back on these change. They've made up their mind long ago.

But just for the hypothetical: I think they lost a LOT of trust with the two most essential parts of the community - users and mods. Also the company (or rather, its CEO) may have taken significant image damage due to the "AMA" spez did.

I think business will go on as usual, but the decline will be more and more noticable over time. It will go the way of Digg. Unless of course reddit decides to hire moderation themselves. But we all know they probably wont want do do that. The course seems set to selling the data they have already accumulated.

I doubt reddit will hire mods, they've been crying the platform is not profitable, imagine having to pay several millions more, tho reddit without mods is dead.

It'd be a mix of both for me. I like what I'm seeing on lemmy, but reddit is enrimous and users won't flock here in the same numbers if reddit does an about face.

Been on reddit since 2010 and over the years I've gotten less and less interested and the only subs I still had interest in were the niche fashion communities.

I'm gonna be the change I want to see and created the lemmy community for one of my favorite brands (Supreme) and over time other ones will fill out the space. I'm also gonna join a patreon discord for better fashion discussion than the reddit subs anyway and was something I'd been wanting to do anyway before the recent events.

With those as a replacement I should be fine. I'm also way more excited about investing into an exciting new community with lemmy that reminds me of the early reddit days. Reddit will only continue to get worse as it gets more corporate and terrible in the same way Facebook and other platforms went downhill over the years. Lemmy is on the come up

They've made it clear they won't. And since most subs are only going dark for a measly 48 hours they have no incentive to. It's literally like that "Oh no, anyway..." meme.

And think of it this way: even if you they revert the changes (or you just decide to please /u/spez and only use the official app) do you think the platform will continue to get better or worse? He's shown his hand it's nothing good for the mods or the users.

I don't intend to go back nearly as much as before, even if the changes are reverted (unlikely, imo). A lot of the aspects of Reddit that I didn't like - but tolerated - are generally not found here, at least so far. While Lemmy still leaves things to be desired, it just feels better to engage with.

However, I may still add " reddit" to the end of a search query to avoid all the bloat articles that crop up in a search. There's still a wealth of useful information on Reddit from all those years for even the most niche questions / topics.

I will admit that I'd keep RiF on my phone just to doomscroll in airports and whatnot. Though I think I'm going to stop my desktop use (90% of my use) of Reddit regardless. The writing is on the wall for old.reddit.

I’ve been looking for an alternative for a while now, and am quite sure I’ve found it.

And then what? They'll magically stop having to make money for their investors?

Reddit isn't getting enshittified for shits and giggles. They're being forced to make money. That requires enshittification.

Reddit is doing a tumblr so I don't think is gonna recover that easy. Reddit is not gonna allow NSFW subs to be seen outside of the official app, who the hell watches porn from the official app? So many people is gonna drop it.

I think is still gonna survive IF subs like askreddit, amitheasshole or entitledparents are still up and have a lot of people posting, because they so many YT channels read from those (and I hear them daily as podcasts) but if the mayor subs go dark or shutdown is not gonna affect reddit only, but also so many people who works reading those.

I’ll be staying no matter if Reddit reverses their decision. The communities I’d like to follow might be smaller here, but I’m sure they will grow.

I prefer the smaller crowd here. Reddit just feels like a mall these days. Between all the bullshit, tencent, ads and assholes, I’m not looking back.

I would probably stay here. I deleted my Account on Reddit and i do not forgive spez for the decission he has done.

It's not really about the API and third party apps anymore. Arguably never has been. This is really about the IPO, and the clear signal that Reddit has every intention of making your experience worse if that means they can squeeze more $$$ out of you.

Lemmy. I actually kinda prefer this to reddit, content feels much more "local" and since I can't spend hours scrolling through it, it doesn't make me a mindless soul just being fed infornation. Also I already deleted my reddit account lol.

I would probably stay here. I do like exploring new things and the fact that it is smaller would likely make me lurk less.

Lemmy reminds me of early Reddit and I like that. The mask is all the way off now. Reddit was pretty fun 10+ years ago but that time has come and gone.

It'd be too late. I nuked my account, overwrote my comments, and uninstalled my apps early this morning. I don't intend to return.

People would go back.

I'm not going back, epescially since Apollo will be shutting down. I'm looking forward to what the dev can do with the Mlem iOS app, and I'm very interested in the community that is being built here.

I'd probably return, at least for some things. Lemmy's not a massive community yet, and I did like some parts of Reddit. That said, I'd stay on Lemmy, post everything I put on Reddit here as well and be ready to jump ship again at a moment's notice.