Across America, clean energy plants are being banned faster than they're being built
Across America, clean energy plants are being banned faster than they're being built
The clock is ticking toward a deadline to meet renewable-energy standards. But USA TODAY's analysis finds local governments banning wind turbines, solar plants.
Across America, clean energy plants are being banned faster than they're being built::The clock is ticking toward a deadline to meet renewable-energy standards. But USA TODAY's analysis finds local governments banning wind turbines, solar plants.
“But a wave of disinformation in 2023, falsely claiming offshore wind projects killed whales, resulted in a sharp decline in public support for offshore wind.”
I can’t believe people fell for that.
In Mexico we had a dumb politician who said windmills stole the air of the people.
Mexico by way of south korea?
People believe weird shit everywhere, unfortunately
Edit: couldn't get Wikipedia to give me the urban legend definition and not the metal band. Changed the link
Korean fan death?
My dad was absolutely one of them... He mentioned it out of nowhere and I couldn't refute it because I had never encountered that lunacy before then...
He already wanted to hate wind then and this is just his justification. I once encountered someone telling me that wind turbines cause global warming. I told them the only part generating heat was the copper in the motor and that's the same in every power generation. Turn out Faux News misrepresented a study that showed the turbulence caused by wind turbines brought warm air to the ground level.
I hate that. They'll just say something like "well how can you support solar panels when it kills the rare ballet fork bird?! Or when the solar panels kill the nearby trees!? Or when the toxic chemicals leak into the streams and the kill the river!?"
It's just like this slew of crap and you can't possibly know it's totally crap when you start talking to them. Then you go back research it and it turns out it's from some (typically CCP or Russian financially backed) fake news website "pRoMOTinG fReeDoM aNd tHe AMeRicAn wAY."
Then they just don't want to hear about how freedom4everything.scam is a scam and think you're being political and close minded for insisting they check these things out and look for collaborating sources with more credibility, NYTimes, Washington Post, WSJ, etc.
Then that turns into a whole "but the NYTimes is too liberal to ever mention mutant fish caused by renewable energy" ... and it just goes on and on...
I can. There is a reason why only two new nuclear reactors have been built since 1972 in the nation that figured the technology out first. It takes almost nothing to scare people out of being smart
I mean... it's quite different for nuclear there has been some big international incidents and it's something that hurted people directly plus invisible stuff that can kill you usually is terrifying. Knowing that a similar technology is used for bombs that cause terrible destruction didn't help either.
So even though it can be done with no risks... Is quite understandable people being afraid of it.
Like the whale thing is nothing in comparison.
The people falling for that are the ones trying to detox off of oxygen addiction.
Wind mills do kill birds, but all you have to do to prevent it is paint one of the turbines black so it doesn't blend into the sky when it is turning, allowing birds to avoid them. But unfortunately thay costs money and smooth brain fossil fuel stans would rather just poison the wind rather than harness it.
wind energy is going to continue increasing exponentially for a while, it would be wise to mitigate the death of more birds. I also support exterminating stray cats and putting harsh fines on folks who keep outside cats as well. Birds need protecting and we are woefully failing as a species to do so.I see your data clearly presented and submit my anecdotal. Clearly I win and we should burn more coal.
Gotta love that the same guy who keeps complaining about windmills killing birds is the guy who also got famous building a giant glass tower in New York.
Why would anything kill fields for birds though? Let them do their own damn work.
The currently existing design of wind turbines is incredibly stupid anyway, I have no idea how we landed on that design. It's one of the least effective designs possible for it's use case. We should be using spiral turbines.
The current three blade design of utility-scale turbines achieves about 80% of the Betz limit, are relatively efficient in materials for their output, and the blades' pitch can be adjusted to control their speed in varying conditions (eg. during storms). I wouldn't call their design "incredibly stupid".
That looks like it would be hard to manufacture and transport at the size requirements that traditional blades are made. It's already a massive pita to transport the traditional blades. I'm sure we'll figure it out eventually, but that's probably the current reasoning.
That's too futuristic and only belongs on other planets like mars
With the size they are, I wouldn't just paint them black. It might throw off the balance. They should be shipping then black from factory.
OMG this is the dumbest thing.. In NY the town of Florida banned a windmill on waste property, then in racquet lake where they get all sorts of outages they stopped a battery from being installed because they might catch fire. These were BYD LFP batteries, and they were referencing LG chem batteries catching fire in Arizona as the reason.
Upstate NY is just the cold weather version of the Bible Belt.
I live in wny the windmills fucking suck. You spend your life savings buying property in the country with gorgeous scenery and views and bam farmer under the thumb of the state gets conned into putting windmills up and your peaceful piece of property is now staring at some dystopian looking shithole landacape. I dont do the conspiracy theories but i totally get voting to not allow windmills in an area you own property in.
Are you kidding me? I opened the article in order to find reasons for banning but after like reading 10min, I gave up, it is such a repetitive article with so many useless words.. Has someone a TLDR?
Former President Donald Trump often denigrates wind and solar power in his speeches. In December in New Hampshire, he said, falsely, that wind farms only last 10 years, that they kill “all the birds,” that solar energy isn’t powerful enough to run factories and that wind is 42 times more expensive than natural gas.
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“It’s going to change our lifestyle and the landscape and everything around here,” he said.
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The opposition sometimes leads to surprising arguments about property rights, in which some landowners invoke concepts like a claim to a "viewshed" – views they want free of wind turbines or solar panels. These opponents clash with others who champion a different view of private property rights, saying landowners should be free to build what they want.
Oil companies
Awful, we really need some kind of federal fast track for these sorts of badly needed projects that cuts through the NIMBY bullshit.
What's this from?
Good Omens
I mean, this isn't so bad. While the rest of the world lives in a solar punk future, the US could be like some secluded cyberpunk bubble that would give many scholars in the future stuff to write their thesis about, while also providing a good source of memes for the rest of enlightened humanity.
Here in NZ
I don't want share a land border with that cyberpunk bubble, thank you very much.
Fix your shit, America.
They'd be walled in to prevent their filth from physically reaching any of the other countries
I live in one of the most progressive cities in the US and have had the same issue here. We have no driveway and park on the street but regulations say we cant use the grass strip (the area between the srreet and the curb) to install a charging station for an ev in front of our house. For 5 years we tried to get permission to do this without luck and have given up on ever getting an EV. I dont get how there is any hope for electric vehicles if there arent any working solutions for the millions of people in the United States who dont have a driveway or garage.
Its time to grab a beer kick back and watch as the planet is destroyed by slow moving bearacratic regulation.
I gave up on humanity decades ago. I've got a bottle of SoCo set aside for the end of the world.
We have windmills all over western Norway, and seriously, fuck that shit. It completely destroys the best part of our nature. Cannot advice against it enough
...but like, so do fossil fuels, you just don't immediately see it. It's lead to so much contamination and death you'll never directly witness and is actively destroying everything vs "oh no, that pretty hill!".
everything vs "oh no, that pretty hill!".
Well it does kill birds. There are other renewable energy sources far preferable over wind energy, considering wind energy is very unreliable, only working when it's windy. And make that pretty hill into basically every hill. And "oh no that pretty hill" will be ruined for all eternity, including future generations. And while we're talking about it, how about the special roads that needs to be made to move the windmill blades up in the first place. And the windmill blades will have to be made somehow. Guess what, a lot of tech that goes into windmills are not renewable. People resist wind energy for a reason. Maybe you could just use less electricity instead of destroying every bit of nature left on the earth? Personally I'm in favour of atomic energy
I can add that night time windmill blinking (so planes and birds don't crash into them) is really obnoxious and annoying. Even worse than seeing then in day time.
Checks out since your country's economy is founded on oil but you all deny it
It's funded on hydropower. We were well of when we found oil. The oil money is mostly just reinvested in a sovereign wealth fund. The oil money doesn't hurt though.
