sex work is work

Here's a possibly-controversial take, but joining the army isn't really even close to the best analogy for a male-dominated industry where you "sell your body".

Being a labourer is. Working in industries like construction, but not as a skilled tradesman. It doesn't carry the same moral weight riley was going for though.

True, but it's not just about labor.
To join the US military you have to literally sign over your bodily autonomy to join. Once you do then they can pump you full of experimental drugs, or run whatever other ungodly experiments, all they want. I know someone who considered joining then backed out when this allegedly happened.
Anyway, never heard of Riley before but seems nice. Hope she supports our troops and offers military discount for her OnlyFans.
- Depends on your definition of mortal danger and how OSHA compliant your work site is.
- True, you're far more likely to die working menial laborer jobs than you are in the military.
  Laborers are providing direct goods to the people they supply too. The military is far more intangible with prevention being the key factor for it's expense.
  In the United States, there were far more occupational injury deaths among men than women. In 2020, there were 4,377 male occupational injury deaths in the United States, compared to 387 deaths among women.
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/187127/number-of-occupational-injury-deaths-in-the-us-by-gender-since-2003/
  9 military people die from hostile action in 2020. 317/1017 in accidents. 190 illness. 406 suicide.
  https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner
  I highly doubt they consider suicide for occupational hazards too which is strange in hindsight considering the military accounts for it now. One of the few things they do ahead of the woke curve lol. First responders as well.
  So in reality you'd need to remove both suicide and illness from the military's numbers to equal laborers.
  363 died in the military then vs 4,774.
  Even hostile deaths... 9 in hostile action and 37 homicides... Meanwhile there were 392 workplace homicides. 37,060 nonfatal intentional injuries.
  https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2022/workplace-violence-homicides-and-nonfatal-intentional-injuries-by-another-person-in-2020.htm
- Right, but you're also not in mortal danger when you're fitting pipes in Nebraska vs. Baghdad.
  Oh man, this is wrong.
  In. 2022, there were 500k plumbers in the US, I don't have exact numbers for how many pipe fitters there were, but it's a position that's always in high demand, safe to say that very few of that 500k number are pipe fitters, less than a quarter. So let's say 100k pipe fitters which is honestly, probably generous.
  There were 70 fatal accidents involving pipe fitters. Not injuries, fatal accidents only. That is a ratio of .0006.
  The US military boasted 1.3 million members that year, and 270 fatal accidents, and 0 to enemy action. A ratio of .0002.
  You are 2/3rd less likely to die in the armed forces then you are pipe fitting.
Any form of physical labour is selling your body sex work is selling your right to refuse sexual consent. I think that makes it a worse situation for the person doing the sex work than other work
- If you are doing only fans or similar how are you not consenting? It's fully on your terms.
  I doubt most people in the military would consent to getting their dick blown off by a mine if given the opportunity.
- I think if you look at it that way, you could also say working for the military is selling your right to a safe workplace. Like, a lot of other jobs (including sex work) can be dangerous, and often are due to a lack of care from those in power. But the military is necessarily dangerous by its very nature.
Doing "unskilled labor" is at the very least creating something. Even if that thing is socially useless like a Starbucks location that's across the street from another Starbucks location, that's a better outcome than bombing or shooting something.
- I wasn't interested in making any value judgments. Simply in coming up with what job is the purest expression of "selling your body".

What I hate with this is that is defines that the army itself is good or bad. But in reality it is what it is used for. If its actually used for defence, then it's very honorable. When it's used as a tool to exploit resources to the rich, (aka generally being the aggressor), it's not.

Even simpler than that. People trying to slot sex work/army/any job into “good/bad” columns aren’t worth your attention.
Except for health insurance CEOs, those definitely bad.
- The only thing that can stop a bad health insurance CEO is a good health insurance CEO.
- But war means more than sacrificing your body or personal reputation. War is giving up your whole personal conscience to fight for what the group believes is the most direct action in response to an event
- Cops and troops are bad. You might even say All of them AB
I mean, even for defence. Your settling, an argument, the rich and powerful people above you are having. You're settling it with your life.
- If you think your side is right and you're ready to die fighting then who is anyone else to say that you, the tool, is wrong?
- The people rescued from concentration camps would probably disagree.
- Oh I know.
See, that's an easy question to answer: Did you, or whoever, join the military while the US, or your country, was being attacked?
- If you wait til you are attacked, you may not be trained or ready enough to actually defend your country from the attack. You can still join in times of peace with intentions of defense for the future, helping with disaster relief, and providing international aid.
joining the army in the Imperial core will always be bad and make the troop/vet complicit in the countless deaths and destruction
- Wtf is the "imperial core"
- K tankie
Lol can't think of a single western country that's had an "honorable" war post 1945. The US army is unequivocally bad
Yeah peaceful militaries like Korea's or China's or Cuba's are ok. Anyone joining the US military though if just in it for the war crimes.
- peaceful militaries
  Korea’s or China’s or Cuba’s
  Not sure if joking or not
- I wouldn't call North Korea firing missiles over other sovereign countries very peaceful. As well as China doing troop exercises that obviously prepare for the invasion of Taiwan. I'm sure there are more examples.
Hey, im not trying to be rude or anything I just wanna quickly say that honor is a fiction typically used by the rich and powerful to manipulate the young and well-meaning into becoming fucked up stormtroopers for capital.

I would never compare, being a sex worker is obviously incredibly more honorable

But...saying that something is more honorable than something else is comparing them?

EDIT: to be clear, her point is absolutely valid. This isn't (to misquote a replier) "But I must find way for sex lady be dumb". Her actual point is spot-on. This particular linguistic evolution just feels weird to me - feels like the new "literally".

"equate" is the correct word but we still knew what they meant.
- Just being a pedant, but equating two things is still a comparison.
Its called an analogy bud. It doesn't mean the two things are identical, it means they share similarities. Usually, a specific one. In this case, "selling your body".

I don't sell my body because nobody wants it.

No, don't say that. Everybody has parts that are desirable!
organ traders
- Just saw this post, very relevant
Nicko Avocado has an OF, so don't sell yourself short.
Just try renting it out then.
- in this economy?
Same, but that also goes for nightfill at the local grocery store and dishwashing. :(

How much Kool aid do you need to drink to think a soldiers job is "saving people"? Except for medics that's pretty much the opposite of the point.

I thought all American soldiers died far away from home so Americans can bake apple pie and sleep on red white and blue bed sheets.
- According to former US president Donald Trump, the soldiers that died abroad are all losers and suckers because a good soldier doesn't die.
- Red, white and blue bedsheets made by our worst enemy, China. How's that for Murrica.

saw this one recently, old school shamers have no chance these days, just pack it up bro

thank you for your service 🤝

Grabs popcorn, sorts by top, scrolls to bottom.

No controversial sort sadge

If you work for a living, you're a prostitute - you're selling your physical and mental health just to survive no different than sex workers.

The term prostitute literally translates to "to offer up for sale" - and, guess what, that pretty much describes the entire working class.

I hope she makes tons of money.

Found out my work is getting a new chemical. The chemical is so volatile that if it splashes on you, it will potentially burn you into nothing.

I am fodder for the machines of industry.

In which manufactorum do you serve the emperor, citizen of the empire?
Do you have to pipette it by mouth as well?

Sex workers are the original social workers.

According to my ex, who prides herself to be a social worker and a conflict solver, relationships are built solely on sex, not on interpersonal connections. But then again, she also thinks that you shouldn't ever apologize because it shows a lack of self-esteem, called the police on her best friend because she was jealous of her hooking up while she didn't and regularly posts "memes" about how terrible everyone else is on Facebook. Maybe she's just a nutcase.
- That may just be her, and I kinda feel bad for her. That sounds like a lot of maladjustment and projection. My friends say they had some regulars who'd start the sessions telling them about their lives and showing them pictures of their kids. Touch and validation can be a form of medicine. Everyone needs to feel wanted. We are social creatures. Incels are one example of those starved from such things.
- Maybe she’s just a nutcase.
  Maybe. Yes.

I don't think I'll ever understand why women who choose to enter the sex trade are demonised. It's a job, some enjoy it and some don't, but everyone enjoys getting paid. Though the comparison between people who rent their bodies (sex workers do get to keep their own bodies after work) and people who gamble their bodies (soldiers don't always get to come home as part of the job) is a little off.

Do what you want to do with your body, but don't be upset when I don't want to associate with you and educate people about what you do for a living.

Clearly you're talking about the army.

What's so bad about not wanting the mother of your children getting fucked all over the Internet?

What's wrong is framing another human being entirely by how they serve you, and what they can or can't do, possibly before they ever meat you, by how it makes you feel 🤮
- Because most non terminally online people have dignity and standards in their search for a partner, but you retards are so her choice you've horseshoed shaming people who want to make the choice to not date and marry ewhores. Normal people have the expectations you've dated and have had sex before. They do not expect, nor want, you to have been a wannabe pornstar with irreversible actions.
  Each side is valid, as they're adults who hopefully have all their mental acuity, but don't expect anyone to cater to your worldview and choices. Actions have consequences and it's up to you to care about them. Diversity of opinion makes a healthy ecosystem.
- What? How did you get any of that from what I said? Anybody can do anything with their lives, but I'm not wrong for choosing who can be part of my and my future children's lives. Have you never thought of the consequences for a kid who's mom has her pussy being fucked all over the Internet? Kids in school get shit from others for having attractive moms, literally that's it. The amount of bullying a kid would get from others for having a wannabe pornstar mom could be detrimental.
Just don't impregnate e-whores... There's plenty of women that don't do this if that's what you want. It's their decision and their life. It has nothing to do with you at all.
- But isn't saying that bad in the current culture? I couldn't care less what people do for a living if it has nothing to do with me. But if I'm considering someone to be part of my life I don't want them to have an only fans, past or present, and a lot of people act like that's a terrible view to have.
Freedom of Association.
Incel alert! Incel alert!
- The Golden Rule
And you are getting downvotes lol, really shows the mentality of people here
- Ah yes, that god awful mentality of..
  checks notes..
  Respecting women as human beings rather than objects for you to control (before and after) you attempt to penetrate and grow babies in.
- From your perpective - what mentity do you see? I'd love to understand

Neither of them are respectable

"I only look at drawn pornography." -ThatWeirdGuy1001, probably

Lotta stupid discussions on the internet

Oh, well, hello fellow sophisticants. Sorry, I was referring to someone else.

That guy looks exactly like what you would expect someone saying that to look like

that profile pic she is using is not the most sexiest I have seen but now that I am invested I guess I will have to have a look at her page....

That lady is busy! Her wholesome Instagram is pretty good
This is the most Reddity reply I've seen all day so far.
- I'm not exactly sure what that means but I'm amused by the vote reaction my comment received. Like as if I'm the only one who went and looked at her profiles.

I will have sex with duty and honor on the front lines (only with women though)

In the dark and distant future there is only sex mad maniacs lol

Partial Print doesn't understand how analogies work.

We live in a free society. Nobody is telling her she cannot work. She's just mad cause nobody respects her because she has no dignity left.

She has far more dignity than you. She has far more clout here than you do, too.

I'd compare sex work to sex work. War is war whether or not you want to include women or not. It just happens to be that most straight people prefer not to have unnecessary wars without personal benefit. If we created conscious war machines with their own minds, autonomy and conscience, then we would probably have trouble. Especially with all the anti-war memes and how peace loving myself and the vast majority of humanity is.

Did anyone else even understand what this person was saying?

I love this OF model. Hot and funny.

Brobro having a microscope emoji is trying so hard to be both a boot brobro and a STEM science bro.

I am confused, do you believe STEM science bro to be a real thing or do you project this on the 🔬-man? Either way, I am concerned if people think or there really are "STEM science broos" out there.
- do you believe STEM science bro to be a real thing
  I don't have to believe it. I've experienced and lived it for decades both in college and outside of it in the internet world among people that didn't just have STEM career tracks but also turned that identity into a sense of unexamined superiority over other people.
  I am concerned if people think or there really are "STEM science broos" out there.
  They exist and live around a lot of them. They thought Andrew Yang had great ideas because he had "MATH" on his hat and seriously believe Elon Musk is on track to personally save the world.