Idaho Banned Abortion. Then It Turned Down Supports for Pregnancies and Births.
Idaho Banned Abortion. Then It Turned Down Supports for Pregnancies and Births.
why is america reverting itself to the dark ages?
Conservatives throughout history adore the dark ages of Europe. That was the peak of their power; the population was uneducated, worshiped the wealthy as kings and queens, and the people were too poor and stupid to do anything about it.
Because the rabid right has been on a campaign for the last 50+ years to regain control and regress the country to a time before the civil rights era and before Roe v Wade. They've followed a multi-pronged attack strategy. They spread propaganda via right wing AM talk radio and then Fox News, and so on. They sidled up to the Christian right wing. They have fought against school funding and fought against teaching science and have dictated a conservative biased curriculum (TX). They have groomed judges and justices and influenced their appointment. They attacked the middle class and funneled that wealth to the ultra rich. They instituted voter suppression and outrageous gerrymandering. And on and on.
Half a century of that and the rest of us are fighting for our democracy and our lives against the rise of the extremist right wing (aka fascism).
Religion and religion mixed with politics, mostly.
It's weird because conservative christians are some of the most evil people I know. It doesn't make sense.
The difference between an atheist and a christian fundamentalist is that the atheist is at least honest about not believing in Christ.
It makes perfect sense. Evangelical Christianity states that you are saved as long as you believe in Jesus. Evil or good, it doesn't matter.
The supreme Court was quoting 12th century English common law in support for the abolition of roe versus Wade, if that tells you anything.
Also they want to "increase the supply of toddlers infants" for the domestic US adoption industry, which was also in Alitos opinion.
And, you know what they say about opinions...
WE NEED MORE BABIES! KEEP THOSE FOREIGNERS AND THEIR CHILDREN OUT. AMERICAN VALUES AND GOOD CHRISTIAN LIVING ARE ALL WE NEED!!! Sincerely, the hypocritical crazies who prey on fear, hatred and ignorance.
And, you know what they say about opinions…
"Opinions are like assholes- nine of them sit on the Supreme Court, but six of them are on the Supreme Court"?
"We hate the British so much that we'll wage war against them to get our independence!"
"Yeah so we'll use British laws to justify our bigotry..."
They also seem keen to bring back child labor, so maybe they want fodder for that, too. What Carlin called "obedient workers".
Because otherwise people might get silly ideas about equality and the state owing then a decent standard of living.
Cheap soldiers and workstaff coming from the poor and uneducated communities.
Think of education. Back before the Internet and smartphones took off, education was distributed. The most centralization we had was curriculums per state. TV was the closest thing to the Internet, and because it was all we had, it was a huge money maker. There was lots of quality content on there, including educational stuff like Reading Rainbow, Sesame Street, Bill Nye the Science Guy... I could go in for a long time.
Once the Internet took over our lives, TV went to hell, and YouTube and social media took over. These were no longer curated or created with the same goals as the TV shows of the 90s. They are random people seeking attention, sucking in people so well that it pulled everyone down into a kind of sludge of stupidity. Instead of attracting people with dinosaurs, exploration to outer space, imagination, etc. they have Mr. Beast and others with their mouths wide open and spending a million dollars at a grocery store.
These are all English videos, so the barrier to entry for the US is very low compared to the rest of the world. They're also American culture, so it resonates with Americans more.
Europe also has far better education systems than the US, so that goes a long way in resisting this kind of stuff.
America is self imploding because of its own narcissism, and the Internet is feeding into that and having a snowball effect. There is no regulation of ideas there.
It's very similar to the dark ages because of someone just makes shit up, like "cure this disease by letting a leech suck some blood out of you" and enough people repeat it without being put in check by a higher authority, then it's adopted as a common belief.
That's the other part of this: politics is usually taboo to discuss with people here, at least many polite people think so. It's a touchy subject, so you're taught to not being up these things with friends or coworkers, which just creates even more of a vacuum.
Reading things like Democracy in Chains shed a lot of light.
“The Bible is clear, and the history of Christendom broadly is clear, that it’s the church’s responsibility to meet the needs of the poor and to ensure that people have the services that they need to live flourishing lives,” Conzatti said.
Besides just the practical craziness of the idea that you have to belong to a church to get social services, I don't think the Bible makes it clear at all that social services are the church's responsibility and not the state's.
The Bible is filled with a lot of contradicting bullshit. Anyone using it to tout some idea can be knocked down with some other passage in it as well.
That's what we call the separation of Church and State!
It's all about punishing women.
Or the money, they’re a buncha penurious fucks.
Or the money, they’re a buncha penurious fucks.
Exactly.
They're regressive reactionaries. They're reacting to the sexual revolution where women were freed from controlling patriarchal social mores around sex and relationships.
Before The Pill and Roe v Wade, women and their relationships and choice of partners was controlled by men or at least the patriarchy. Fathers guarded women's chastity, peers and society at large enforced social mores with threat of shame, rejection, and ostracism.
The regressives want that all back. Sanctity of life is what many anti-abortionists claim. But you often see anti-abortionists talk about abortion in terms of (their idea of) sexual morality of women and they talk about pregnancy like it is some kind of "pUnIshMeNT fOr SiNniNg". With the double-standard assumed, of course, because of their misogynistic worldview.
Banning abortion is rooted in racism.
Turns out you don't have to support new mothers to encourage childbirth if you just ban the alternative. Forced birth without the courtesy of a reach-around.
Of course, that dampens the mood for consensual sex a bit so they'll just need to tone down some laws and look the other way on issues of sex trafficking and xl child brides...
Republicans have become just the absolute worst and condemn things while taking active steps to ensure they happen. Much like abortion. Best way to reduce abortion rates is sex education and birth control, but you can't reduce abortion like that! No, ban birth control, give no support to new mothers, and then act outraged when coat hanger abortions make a big resurgence and blame the women like somehow no one could predict exactly what would happen.
Blame the dead women, you mean.
Roe was passed based on privacy, which is reason enough, imo. People don't need to know other people's business and some dipshit busybody aspiring HOA presidents opinion shouldn't even be in the same conversation as a medical professionals.
Roe passed the court on privacy but Roe passed public opinion because of the many many deaths from back alley alternatives. Roe was about saving women's lives. Conservatives can bemoan the lost fetuses but losing the women is worse. The women cant go on and have other children if they're dead.
My grandmother was taught by her mother. My mother by my grandmother. My sisters were spared this dark legacy thanks to Roe.
I mentioned Roe and privacy one time around my Grandmother. Unbeknownst to me, gran used to protest and I'm supposing, burn her bra's, cuz she went red immediately and set me right. The kind of mad that made my mom admonish me even tho she didn't even hear what I said, it was just THAT tone. Grandma only got that fired up one other time- when I said McCartney was more talented than Lennon, but I'll die on that hill, sorry Gran.
that's what happens when the state is run by religion.
Praise be!
White Men who view women as property and not human beings.
Cruelty is the point.
It's also how they get more dead mothers, disabled infants, and infants who die shortly after birth
Just like in the days of the founding fathers! Praise be!
To these people, raising an unwanted child in poverty with no support is a just punishment for the high crime of a woman daring to enjoy sex. They are totally willing to sacrifice the child in order to hopefully make that whore's life difficult.
Gee who could've guessed
"Idaho, if you got covid or a baby... go fuck off and die"
Back in the day, I'd get a sim into a room, then replace the door with wall and wait for them to cry about having to pee. Then laugh my ass off when the sim eventually peed on the floor... I can't say what made me think of that.
These politicians are probably a bit older than me, so perhaps they used to get their rocks off with a magnifier and an ant hill.
For those who don't know, not sure there are many left who don't, but Idaho is a trash state run by neo-Christofascists who routinely force children to die for "religious" reasons, even when it is only a grandparent making a stink. It is not just red, it is so red that the blood of Christ looks as blue as it really is.
Idaho said "Uthahoe"!
But in all seriousness this is fuked on all levels...
i've heard nurses acroos the US are getting hit up to deliver babies because so many health professionals are leaving Idurrho.
Shouldn't be too long before we see the 1st red state to criminalize medical providers leaving the state.
What's more likely to happen is they will loosen the rules as to who can be a "medical provider."
The red states keep trying to make what donnie calls "shithole countries", but just internally.
The US has been a rich shithole country for a while now. It started back with Nixon and got supercharged with Reagan.
They claim to be pro-life, but they're really just anti-women and pro-forced-birth.
their namecalling and pointing fingers into others, too often ends up as a projection, while their pro-something claims too often ends up being flat opposite.
Whenever you point a finger, you got three more pointing back at you.
I've said this 1,000 times, and I'll repeat it as often as I need to.
The Left is arguing Human Rights. The Right is arguing Property Rights. Conservative values are very clear that women are not seen as independent individuals, but as property of their fathers and then their husbands. Women are chattel. This mentality permeates and pervades every aspect of Conservative ideology where women are concerned. Men must protect women. Not because it benefits the woman, though they will tell women that they should be grateful for the protection. Men must protect their property, they must protect their investment in that woman. It's important to understand that Conservatives view all non-white, non-male, queer, and non-Conservatives as inherently inferior, requiring their guidance and control to conform to their superior ideology, or extermination if they refuse.
View everything they say and do through that lens, and everything makes perfect sense.
100%. There are plenty of studies showing that supposed "pro-life" sentiment explains little of the left-right difference in abortion support.
Perhaps unsurprisingly states that restrict abortions also have worse health outcomes for women and children.
That sounds right, but I wonder how they measured things like sexiam and authoritarianism. If it's measurable, I would be interested to see how it corresponds with other political positions.
Yup Republican, conservative, neoliberal, and capitalist need women to be brood sows and the young to be poor and uneducated. It's the only way their economic and political systems work.
It's funny you mention brood sows as one of the Idaho legislaters directly compared women's reproduction to that of cows
https://jezebel.com/idaho-lawmaker-i-have-opinions-on-the-womens-health-th-1849984572 To quote him directly: