Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales isn’t worried about Elon Musk’s Grokipedia: ‘Not optimistic he will create anything very useful right now’
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Remember that Elon overpromises & underdelivers
Literally. With everything. In every business he touches. Yet the stock goes up. It's stupid.
Hmm it seems the speculative market loves speculation rather than actual results...
nah most of the time he just overpromises... rarely has he delivered anything at all, and when he does it's such a clusterfuck that the word underdeliver feels super generous.
Jimmy Wales: Libertarian that ended up creating perhaps the most successful collectivist project of all time.
this is a perfect example of why we should always allow an escape space for everyone. Sometimes that person in the space you are polar opposed too will create something that defies even their own rules
Reading his Wiki page, he does sound rather reasonable. Support for Occupy Wallstreet, running as a UK Labour candidate, openly calling not to elect Trump and also calling the US Libertarian Party "lunatics".
British libertarians get a pass on account of living in a monarchy but if you want to know why Labour's shitting the bed, well, they let a right wing libertarian run as Labour.
He also gave the example of a German Wiki community member who wrote a program to verify the ISBN numbers of books cited, and was able to trace notable mistakes to one person. That person ultimately confessed they had used ChatGPT to find citations for text references and the LLM “just very happily makes up books for you,” Wales said.
Well this won't be a problem with Grokipedia, because it only uses sources that are available online as pure text (I'm pretty sure not even PDFs are used by it).
Wales thinks the public and the media often give Wikipedia too much credit. In its early days, he says, the site was never as bad as the jokes made about it. But now, he says, “We are not as good as they think we are. Of course, we are a lot better than we used to be, but there is still so much work to do.”
Amen, it's nice to see the level-headedness.
It's going to become an AI written clone of Wikipedia with all the personal opinions of Elon mixed in. I don't see it going anywhere.
If you check it out, its not going to become that because it IS that. Its all AI rewritten articles from Wikipedia with Elon's alt right biases applied. Some of the less political pages aren't even really rewrites but just copy/pastes
Nazi biases. Not alt right, that sanitized euphemism for fascist fuckhead.
It will be a another propaganda mouthpiece, and have all the credibility of Fox News.
Or conservapedia, the fox news of wikipedias.
doesn’t mean it can’t do damage - like fox news
It'll effect things as much Conservapedia does. A laughing stock to gawk at and nothing more.
I bet by the end of next year it's dead.
They might not need it to last longer than that.
This is a takeover.
It’s not about making something useful. He and a few others are cloning everything any of their cult might use to further fence them in from external information and entertainment.
They’re having a harder time in entertainment, because artists tend to be more liberal, but they’re gaining ground there, too. After a certain point, they’ll just radically censor everything else.
This is what scares me. The fact that they are doing it at all. It's providing more spaces for people to shut themselves in completely with the information they want. These fucking desperate bigots will never be satisfied until the entire world reflects their bigoted ass beliefs, but since that will never happen they will fight a civil war for Elon out of sheer ignorant self obsession, instead
Anybody going there to test "how bad it is" is giving them traffic, which they can use to brag about its success. Personally, I'd rather completely ignore it and disregard whoever mention it one day as a source, which will never happen hopefuly.
So set the VPN to Iran so it looks like it's only popular with 'ayrab terrorists' to take always his talking point?
Thats a good idea.
Elon Musk NEVER creates anything very useful as of now
Elon Musk NEVER creates.
All he has to do is force it in front of people's eyes instead of Wikipedia. It doesn't actually have to be useful, just in the way.
If it doesn't do anything useful, I don't think any amount of shoving in front of people is going to amount to much uptake beyond some cursory fiddling to determine its uselessness.
People hand out flyers to every passerby too, and nearly all of those end up in the nearest trash bin.
They needed a safe space for their ideas. Less scary stuff like pronouns that make their brains hurt
their
POSSESSIVE PRONOUN!
Ultimately, this could highlight the incredibly high value of wikipedia as a common ressource, and might lead to better things there.
Maybe.
Awww... I wish I had that level of optimism.
What does Grokipedia say on the genocide in South Africa?
well, the website only has one button, that redirects to the actions of Grokipedia with the options to buy or sell some.
I guess you have to interact with their actions to use the thing?
The first thing I noticed about grokipedia is that it doesn't do a good job at qualifying the strength of sources.
That was an intentional design choice no?
References
I looked a few things up... and you aren't wrong. It relies on primary sources way too much.
I mean basically it's "Conservapedia but it takes itself seriously".
It's been fun watching Elon go from space Jesus to shorthand for any billionaire vanity project that will amount to nothing.
Anyone who knew much about space knew that was nonsense from the start, as colonizing a subantarctic volcano is literally more practical than colonizing Mars.
And that's assuming paradigm shifts in spaceflight. Turns out, they did not materialize at all. With SABRE air-breathing engines and Virgin-style stratolaunches dead, things actually went way worse than I expected years ago.
Don't get me wrong. SpaceX is great, Starship is cool, research in space is awesome. But ever since I've first read Musk's public thoughts, he struck me as 'not scientifically grounded,' and I wondered how that incongruity would shake out.
TL;DR: Truth never mattered, and it still doesn't :(
a powerful man with a vision can be a great thing. until it isn't.
How long until AI models start training off Grokipedia, and we have the biggest game of hallucination telephone?
A collection of hallucinations sounds more like a bad piece of comedy
They are going to clone Wikipedia, then use some flimsy excuse to get it shut down under something like "anti conservative bias". He'll position Nazipedia to replace it.
Then it will spring up again since the entire database is freely available.
It's going to be very hard to maintain with a cohesive group of editors if it's fractured in to different servers with everyone hosting a different copy. The current data may live on, but it'll be a zombie.
It will burst into flames, like his cars
All cars can catch fire, some more often, others more intensely. Doesn't matter if it's a swastikar or not.
Instead of pitting EVs against ICE, let's all push to reduce car dependence and instead encourage the development of public transit!
little hilter needs his LIEbensraum
Or ever create anything (he's just stealing other people's creations, at best)
Truly the Thomas Edison of the 21st century.
They'll say aw Topsy at my autopsy!
He thinks he's Nikolai Tesla, but yeah, he's the other guy!
He's like if Edison and Henry Ford had a baby and it only inherited the worst parts of both.
He is not just strealing other people's creations. He is also giving them incredibly lame names.
Just listened to someone attempt a Freudian analysis on the X that he seems so obsessed with. It was trite.
More like ruining other people's creations, he has the opposite of Midas touch, anything he touches turns to shit