Borderlands 4 Launches To Mostly Negative Steam Reviews Over Performance Issues And Crashing
AAA game? Performance issues and crashing on release? Why I never.
I briefly watched Jackfrags video on it. The graphics aren't even anything special, the world isn't overly populated and I can't imagine there would be any overly complex calculations running in the background and it performs like shit.
Fuck these fucks.
It's Unreal Engine 5, so the bad performance is included by default. I've played 4 UE5 titles in recent months and all of them ran terrible even though they were far from groundbreaking graphically.
Hell, I could play the gorgeous KCD2 on high settings at a buttery smooth 60FPS but apparently I need to set everything to the very lowest and down to 720p to get the same result on much worse looking Unreal games.
I could play the gorgeous KCD2
Now is a great time to play it again. The newest DLC just dropped. Henry gets his own forge. I'm liking it a lot so far.
I’ve played two games (off the top of my head) that run UE5. Remnant II and Payday 3. Both have performance problems.
Remnant II is just overall poorly optimised. Payday 3 has weird random hitches. Granted they seem like they might be server side because when I get them my friend does too, almost simultaneously, and vice-versa.
Wayfinder uses ue5 and runs just fine.
That is the only example I have.
When listening to the dev commentary of Valve games, they talk about how much work goes into level design planning even just for the sake of optimization, like clearly delineating barriers between major regions (doorways) so the engine can unload objects from other areas.
I get the impression the “First step easy” setup from UE5 may have made it so that more people can give us unoptimized messes, but still only a few rare devs understand proper optimization at all levels of development.
The only ue5 game I have played with good performance is satisfactory and that's because good performance is necessary for a game like that (so they put a lot of effort into it)
Same. My graphics card upgrade did little to help out performance on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2.
UE5 performance is fine these days if the game developer actually utilizes the tooling in place to catch problematic assets, sequences, blueprints, and more. Now, those tools may not be the easiest to use, but they do exist, and, with official documentation. It's got challenges, but the tooling exists. In 5.5 there was even an expirmental plugin released that's supposed to help with the burden of integrating this work, so it's obvious there's effort being put into providing tools for developers to make performant games
The problem is that takes additional time in a production pipeline, and is uaully pushed off to the side til the end of a game's dev cycle instead of the beginning, if it's done at all. And due to the way that many game studios are funded and operate, it's not uncommon for product quality to follow the model of delivering features first to meet funding milestones instead of focusing on making sure the work that's being introduced is also performant.
That franchise hasn't been good since BL2
BL2 was great. Some of its DLC was even better. Assault on Dragon Keep is one of the best looter shooters ever made. The gameplay was a blast. The jokes were funny..And out of left field it broke your fucking heart by secretly being about a young, traumatized girl's grief.
It wasn't out of left field. They telegraphed it frequently.
...and then they turned it into spinoff game with Wanda Sykes' voice constantly grating your brain into shredded cheese
Have you tried Tiny Tina's Wonderlands? It's basically an entire spinoff game from Dragon Keep DLC with its own unique systems. Personally I think it's the most creative game in the genre.
3 was the best out of all of them from a gameplay perspective. People don't like the story but I never cared for any of the borderlands stories personally.
I think that's the one I played. It was such a fun game.
I'm not a big gamer but all the hype/marketing for the borderlands universe turned me off.
Well most review sites give it high scores with the negatives being primarily the performance so at least this time there might be a good game in there somewhere underneath all those shader compilation stutters
So, BL3 wasn't great. the pre-sequel was out of house and doesn't really count. It was made in an entirely other culture. It's not like there have been a lot of games since BL2.
I honestly don't understand the hate.
Don't buy fucking Gearbox games. Jesus fucking shit on a bike chrisy. I have been saying that for over a decade.
Gonna just remind everyone, or tell anyone who isn't familiar... Gearbox's Colonial Marines has a typo in an ini file that breaks the game's AI. Gearbox was made aware of it after a modder found it in 2018. They acknowledged it by making a joke, then did nothing...
That one letter typo is still there after 13 years.
sigh... This generation of games will all suck because of Unreal Engine 5. I'm a patient gamer, I have plenty of unplayed games on my Steam library. I will not upgrade my video card because of this horrendous game engine.
Can’t play your new $80 game due to performance and crashing issues? Hey, if you’re a real fan you’ll find a way to make it happen.
One of the reasons being patent with games is worth it. In a year, they may fix the bugs, they may not. But the only thing you lose is a bit of time playing other games. And cheaper too :D
I'm big on the entire Borderlands franchise, played 1+2+3+TPS and even both Telltale story games. I'm still going to wait at least until it drops below $40 at the very earliest. I get the notion that we will start seeing sales on BL4 relatively soon.
I loved BL 1 and 2. Still haven't played prequel, tina, or 3; might finally buy one of those next big sale.
I liked the Pre-sequel just as much as 2. 3 is...skippable.
But but but IGN gave it an 8/10 and said it was the best game in the franchise! Did they lie, are they out of touch, or are they working with publishers to try to smooth over the transition into more expensive games?
It literally crashed while Conan was doing a Clueless Gamer promo for it.
It's a fun game, and I'm enjoying my time with it, but the fact that I'm getting 40fps at 1080p with a 5080 is frankly ridiculous. Unreal Engine 5 is such a curse on this generation of games.
And it still has the loss of focus in the inventory screen bug that's plagued the game since the first one.
News at 11, sky still blue. The series ended with 2.
denuvo strikes again
I forgot they were even making this game. BL3 was kind of bad, the pre sequel was painful. The tiny Tina one was okay but weirdly had no ng+ and shitty dlc. Meh.
People bought that overpriced crap with unnacceptable TOS? I guess I need to accept there is no hope after all.
you think people even read it?
Put it on GoG.
Bout to finish the main story of bl3, wish it was longer, seems like content was cut so they could sell expansions, idk maybe im just comparing it to borderlands 2 + all expansions, I didnt really do side quests but typically I do these when I need to, playing solo I didn't ever need to leave and do those before coming back to the main story.
As I understand it, BL3 didn’t use the same writers as BL2. The DLC for BL3 did, though, which is why it’s of a very high quality. BL1-2 are some of my favourite games and as someone who doesn’t replay/reread/rewatch I’ve replayed those games a lot, but Pitchford was a huge douche about BL4 and its pricing so I decided hey, I’ll solve that problem by just not buying it.
I tried 3 just to see what all the interest was about, but couldn't get into it. There were loads of guns and none of them seemed great or much different from each other. Was I supposed to collect them and sell them? I wanted to like it cos I enjoy the art style, maybe I should give it another go sometime.
Enough ppl dont complain about how they artificially extend the time by having you wait for ppl talk, thought it was a limitation in older games, especially bad in sanctuary, like let me just play the game, talk while I do stuff, don't make me stand around pausing the game if I open my menu extending it futher.
I should have bet money on that
It is tiring that new games launch with such poor performance. But, good thing we have game logs to help protect us from this kind of thing. Should be able to just wait it out and pick it up later for much cheaper.
I was watching a streamer playing this game on AMD 9800X3D with RTX 5090 GPU on 1440p and was barely able to get 100 fps. All the settings were on medium with DLSS Balanced turned on. This game is definitely not optimized.
Sounds like PC gaming.
Don't buy gearbox games. Pitchford is a self important head in the sands salesman. Along with Tim Sweeny, they're a couple of the most used car salesman types in gaming
Don't forget Todd Howard. He’s the ultimate example of a Tesla salesman who has a self driving car drive itself into a ditch and then he says “it just works.“
Can't forgive them for the cash cow they turned Risk of Rain into. Such a perfect game that I sunk hundreds of hours into to get me through the pandemic. They buy the series, release a quarter-baked DLC that simultaneously makes changes to the base game for everyone, spends a year fixing it, then announces another DLC as soon as they fix the problems they created with the 1st one. All while ramping up their merch lineup like the over $100 TTRPG version.