WaaaaAAALLLEEEeee

Wall-E functioned

He was definitely not running windows

Yeah, he had the mac boot up noise lol
- The pre cloud OG Mac boot up sound. Eve is more like an IPhone. Sleek white and locked down but great when it’s connected and working.
  
  Anyone else have an older Mac still ticking away? I have a 2007 20” that’s only had an HD->SSD upgrade and is still good for email file and printer serving and remote backups to FireWire and usb HDs.
  
  I’ve got an old 8 core Mac Pro (the perforated giant aluminum one) too, but haven’t bothered booting it in 6-7 years. It was my render farm for Keyshot for years but I think one of the Ram modules failed at some point.
Clearly Linux
- BSD even, he can't do a lot of things but god damnit he does the things he can do well
Yeah but all of the other Wall-Es were left broken by a mandatory Tuesday Windows Update

Walle had the Apple startup chime when he recharged

Apple 2 vs. MacBook
- Early-2000s PowerMac vs. MacBook
Steve Jobs was involved in Pixar Animation Studio
True. It was also an extremely commercialized capitalist dystopian future. I doubt Linux was being used, and there’s no way Microsoft could create something with WALL-E’s long uptime and low maintenance.
- I think Wall-E wasn't running the base OS anymore. All the other Wall-E units had long since stopped functioning. Wall-E was the result of a random mutation of a bug in the code, not the intended normal state.
- Companies taking advantage of Linux to create locked down, proprietary systems is pretty common. For example, Android is Linux. Many smart TVs run some flavor of Linux. E.g. Tizen from Samsung is Linux based. If a company can short cut the software development process and licensing costs by using Linux, that's often a first choice. So, my bet would be on Wall-E running on a version of Linux.
  
  The dystopian part would be that the company locked it's drivers behind a closed source model, and only included highly obscured binaries on Wall-E's OS. Motors and controllers would be non-standard, requiring closed source firmware and the hardware would refuse to work with any software which isn't signed by an original manufacturer's digital certificate. Using an unsigned binary would blow a fuse in Wall-E's CPU, killing him.
- I think it was just an Easter egg.
Yeah, it was a warning against Apple and that was the nod to it.

The difference between wall-e and eve makes me think of cars. How old and even some modern combustion cars are built well and engineered to be highly modular and user serviceable. EVs are highly proprietary. They rely on closed systems that can’t practically be serviced without special equipment.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m NOT a fan of fossil fuels at all. I just don’t like how cars have been slowly morphing into proprietary unreliable cellphone-like commodities, or how the push towards EVs seems to be accelerating that trend.

A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.

No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
- No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer.
  
  I do not share such faith in the manufacturer that made the black box spaghetti.
- Yes, exactly! We are just going to see more of this as time passes and I hate it. Idk what I can to about it other than buy cars that do less of this. Not that my one purchase every other decade really matters.
- Bmw is dogshit but even when they had 7 computers they were so amazingly ass backwards they had to have chassis diag specialists for each of their higher end models.
You can always get an older car and do a conversion. If you can find one with a bad/no motor you could even save a few bucks.
- Wait, is that a normally done thing? As far as conversions go, I've only seen someone's project of combustion-powered Tesla. Combustion to EV sounds interesting.
  
  But anyway, won't you then have the same issues anyway?
It seems to me that the future of electric mobillity is more car renting/leasing than car ownership. Servicing will be included in the monthly payment and you won't have to service it yourself
- Renting forever sounds like a nightmare. They already took housing from me. I don’t want to keep losing things.
- I'd rather service it myself and save my money, and own it so I know that it's been properly cared for and not shit/cummed in by a dozen people.
- or like, not driving cars? E-bikes are pretty amazing and modern mopeds are some scifi shit
I don't know much at all about the EV industry, especially how their technology differs between manufacturers. But does that really matter, strictly speaking? Like the majority of "other" repairs are going to be just as uniform as traditional vehicles; things like tire changes, brakes, suspension, and whatever else I'm not smart enough to know about.

Other than the actual engine itself, can that other stuff really be fully proprietary, or non-servicable?

EDIT: I'm realizing that I didn't really clarify the distinction of "should" vs "does". I recognize that a huge amount of right to repair bullshit comes from companies being intentionally obtuse/greedy. What I meant to question was whether these restrictions on serviceability actually have merit, or if it's strictly enshittification being brought into the auto world.
- Oh, sweet summer child...
  
  Of course you can introduce all kinds of serialization and parts pairing just like you do on any other device. Below is a fairly mild example, but just look at all the bullshit John Deere is pulling on their tractor repair or the BMW where the car will intentionally malfunction if you don't replace your battery at a dealership.
  
  https://carnewschina.com/2024/08/08/xiaomi-su7-cannot-do-ota-due-to-changed-lights-and-owners-worry-about-flooding-their-frunk/
- I’m the sort of person who enjoys doing things myself when it comes to my car. It isn’t just a tinkering hobby to me. My car is a huge source for feelings of safety and control. Theoretically, I could tear down and rebuild almost everything on my car with a socket wrench set. Obviously it’s more complicated than that and as other people have mentioned there are some modern combustion cars that are massively complicated just to stop people like myself from getting into them. EVs on the other hand are way easier to lock down because the whole power train is basically a black box connected to a battery and operated by an app. Sure the breaks and wheels are the same but nearly everything else is either black boxed (motor and controls) or gone completely (transmission and drive train)which makes the car as a whole less fixable / modable. This makes me feel less safe having to rely on one.
- Pretty much every component in a car these days has some sort of microcontroller. They use software to lock you out of repairing things that have no business being locked behind software. In your example, even suspension tuning is locked behind software for Teslas.
  
  https://www.autoblog.com/news/tesla-repair-locks-owner-rights
- They don't need much maintenance and the engine brake evs do to recover the energy removes stress on the regular brakes so the brakes last a lot longer.
But an electric car is basically just a bigger rc car, it doesn't need any real maintenance. There's no fluids.
- Remember when apple started getting dinged for programming their batteries to fail artificially and making them unnecessarily hard to replace just to force more people to upgrade?
  
  Mark my words. That trick is coming soon to a Tesla near you.

My kid used to watch it over and over between 3-5 years old. Finally asked him why he liked it, his response was " because you like it".

Well? Did you like it?
- Of course! Was just nice he was thinking of someone other than himself and chose based on that.

Windows PC or Linux PC? Cause Windows PC aint gonna run shit with the build quality of the hardware and OS of the average PC.

I can almost guarantee you the oldest running windows PC is older than the oldest running linux PC due to software that can't be re-compiled and brought to newer hardware/OS. Think hospitals, factories, etc.. Granted, this argument does not really work in favor of windows.
- Banks are still running Cobol programs written by Jesus on punchcards. But it's not the same use case, Linux is mostly running on servers without a UI.
- But is it really Window's fault when a software vendor decides not to support a newer Windows version, or a manager thinks cutting costs by not renewing a support contract is a great idea? I've seen plenty of software fail to compile on Linux because of, for example, slightly newer (or older) glibc versions being present. It's not as if using Linux means software will magically run on every version out there.
- I mean yeah probably, someone somewhere has a PC-AT with MS-DOS and Windows 1 dating from the 80's somewhere, while the first release of Linux was in what? 92? Somebody like LGR or Tech Tangents very likely has some old hardware running period software for history enthusiast reasons.
  
  But let's play this game: What is the oldest hardware currently in service running a currently supported edition of Windows, versus the oldest hardware currently in service running a currently supported edition of Linux?
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The irony is that before M1, while they were on x86, Apple computers were not that different than the rest besides having special motherboards and funky firmware. Even ARM now isn't proprietary tech, it just isn't adopted by the others (yet). All in all it's an artificial distinction so that some people can be separated from their money.

I mean, I would put their ARM boxen on par with their PowerPC stuff in terms of proprietary-ness.
- Kind of, but if (when) Intel/AMD release comparable ARM-based CPUs, Apple vs the rest would be like Intel vs AMD is today. ARM itself is something anyone can pay to get licensed to use.

Can relate, Wall-E is easily my favorite Pixar movie

Untill I saw UP. I just broke at that first scene. It's just such a fantastic tale about life and the journey it is.

Up, wall-e, Toy story 1-3 are Pixar prime.
Wall-E was my whole personality as a child.
- As a child? In my perception the movie just came out.. wait... Breaks down for being old
Y'all seen they movie circuit? Older set it films but Darling for practical effects and animatronic robots
- Need more input to decipher

Walle took 800 years and still hadn't finished its task. Eve took 12 hrs

You sound like one of my PMs. "Klugerama, your coworker was able to resolve a UI issue in just 3 days, why did it take you over 3 weeks to convert 50k lines of code from C# to Java?"
- "Klugerama, we have tried the carrot, it is now time for the stick!"
Wall-e was a single unit carrying on the task of thousands (tens, hundreds of thousands? We don't know if others were still functioning or we're global). He was doing the task he was built for. EVE's task was completely different - visit the planet every so often and search for the sustainability of life. She did that as per her programming. Different tasks.
- Not to mention WALL-E was the one to show EVE the plant so he helped with that job too
Basically old vs modern PCs. Try to make a CPU from '98 render a 4k video lol.
Eve took 12 hrs

Wall-E completed the task for Eve tho
- I wonder if apple is outsourcing it's AI computing power to linux servers
Eve just fucked around blowing up shit. Like everything Apple.

Wall-e tried to clean the world.
I give you that lol

Ayy, recently rewatched that too. Personal headcannon: a better ending would have been a montage of Eva teaching an amnesiac Wall-E all the things he taught her and have him fall in love with those things and her again in the process. Probably more drawn out than "random electric spark magically resets memory" though

Eva finds Wall-E's NAS on Earth and restores a backup.

I don't quite remember what happened in the movie though.
- She literally kisses him and he starts remembering everything
she finds a service panel behind which there's a big button labelled "restore backup"

I am in my 40s, Wall-e is probably my favorite movie, but that may speak more towards me getting some sort of validation from my neurodivergence assigning personalities and human-like emotions to inanimate objects.

Not only that, Wall-E got crushed and was able to be rebuilt and booted up like nothing ever happened.

Linux PC of course.

Do you remember the old PC and Mac commercials. Funny how PC looks like Pierre P.

They tried doing the same thing in the UK with a comedy duo, Mitchell (PC) and Webb (Mac). They were best known at the time for a Channel 4 show, Peep Show, where Mitchell played an educated, qualified, no-nonsense, go-getting, straight-talking realist who was a bit awkward and frumpy, while Webb played an entitled, self-aggrandising, directionless, scatterbrained half-wit convinced he deserved greatness... I forget where I was going with this.
Funny, I always thought he looked like a deranged millionaire.
- Loose the stache and you have a ringer.