what are they bombing yemen for?

Are you actually asking?

The Houthi's are an Iranian controlled terrorist organization that have been attacking commercial shipping in the Red Sea since November 2023.

The Houthis have sunk two vessels and killed four crew members, forcing a lot of shipping to Europe to be diverted around the South of Africa.

The US and allies have been fighting the Iranian-backed Houthis for over a decade, this is just a recent resurgence following the war in Israel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67614911.amp

Sure bro.
That justified blowing up the apartment building the target's girlfriend lived in.
Because it doesn't just make more Houthis every time.
- I never said the attack itself was justified. I only answered the question.
  A more targeted strike was possible, and it's reprehensible that one was not chosen.
  The target himself was a legal target even by the most strict interpretation of armed conflict international law.
Claiming that the Houtis are Iranian controlled is sheer missinformation.
The Houthi’s are enforcing their ban on ships headed to or from Israel to enter Yemen’s water territory. They did this as a sanction on Israel because Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinian people. When the US and European countries started bombing Yemen for enforcing their law, they also banned US and some European ships from entering their waters. During the ceasefire they lifted the blockade, and since Israel ended the ceasefire they started banning ships again.
- This is simply false.
  The Houthis are not a state. There are a rebel faction in a civil war in Yemen.
  Even if it were the Yemen government banning ships from it's waters it's can't do that by international law. They don't own the whole strait.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bab-el-Mandeb
  Lastly, a UN resolution passed that outlaws this behavior.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2722
- If the Houthi's are going to enact a shipping ban then I assume they're willing to accept the consequences of enforcing the ban.
- A targeted strike was absolutely possible. So many innocents did not need to die.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedle6je601o.amp
The Houthis are a tribe. The majority (though not all) represented tribe within the government of Ansarrallah, a government that formed during and won the civil war when Saudi Arabia tried to steal Yemen.
Calling them Houthis is racist and makes as much sense as calling Americans 'Kennedys'
They have not been attacking shipping. They have been enforcing a naval blockade of a country committing genocide, something that is a legal requirement under international law. When Israel was "abiding" (or abiding as much as Israel ever abides) during the peace treaty, Ansarrallah dropped their blockade. If this is about shipping, the easiest way to stop this would be to stop applying arms to a state engaged in ethnic cleansing.
America has never been at war with Yemen. We got sucked into supplying Intel and support and weapons to Saudi Arabia under Obama because of all three weapons purchases from Saudi Arabia.
Finally, Iran has done very little in support of Ansarallah, in comparison to other countries that are majority Shia.
Calling Ansarrallah Iranian controlled is about as accurate as calling Israel American-Controlled. It's just another racist way to try to justify the murder of civilians. You know, the unjustifiable except to fascists like the person I'm responding to.
- How do we feel about the Houthis killing civilians on trade vessels not bound for Israel?
It's to make us forget about the "group chat" (see how familiar and nice it sounds too, group chat). Damage control.
Someone else can probably explain better than me why the "group chat" is not just a group chat but a massive abuse and illegal thing to do.
- The Federal Records Act was violated several times due to the disappearing messages feature of Signal they were utilizing for their plans. Jeff Goldberg took screenshots of the messages before they were automatically deleted when all Federal Records are legally required to be preserved for archiving and may not be destroyed except under specific parameters that they obviously did not follow.
  https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/required-notices/federal-records-act
  Also, by using Signal, which is a secure end to end encrypted messenger, the vulnerability that is built into the desktop sync feature where messages aren't locally encrypted can result in enemy and adversarial nation states collecting these messages due to them being stored on an infected device which can compromise the mission and risk lives.
  They could also have their accounts and subsequently their messages hacked with their information widely publicly available to hackers.
  https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/hegseth-waltz-gabbard-private-data-and-passwords-of-senior-u-s-security-officials-found-online-a-14221f90-e5c2-48e5-bc63-10b705521fb7

The amount of times Republicans said “we killed terrorists” during the congressional hearing, without even once considering that the 53 fatalities from an indiscriminate air strike likely included innocent civilians, is revolting.

With US track record a majority if not all of those 53 people were civilians
- This is why the US and Israel get along so famously 👍

The bombing of Yemen is bipartisan...

Anything to keep israel happy is bipartisan.
Then you wonder why that the case? If they are right now publicly intervening in US politics, what have they done in the past and what leverage do they have over these public figure?
- Israel is just a US proxy
You know something's bad when both of our wreched parties support it.
Because Yemen is ruled by murderous terrorist slavers who attacked us first.
- Because ~~Yemen~~ America is ruled by murderous terrorist slavers who attacked us first.

No one is surprised by America indiscriminately bombing and leaving 150 casualties.

Well, no one that has opened a history book is surprised, but tons of people are very very ignorant of the countless atrocities that the US has committed

For me at this point it's just a matter of surprise.

I expect the US to bomb everywhere that isn't Japan, North America, European Union, or Israel

Hell I'm shocked they aren't throwing bombs at Australia because Elon Musk sent a vaguely worded email that implied it.

The reason why I SEEM to care more about the phones than the bombs, is because "US bombing innocent people? Sounds like a Tuesday... but damn how did we elect someone so incompetent that I find out about the specifics?"

Because it is controlled by the Houthis, Islamist terrorists threatening global trade, overthrowing a quasi-friendly government and REINSTITUTING SLAVERY.

The United States government just sold over 200 people, without trial, into slavery in El Salvador. And the US explicitly allows slavery as part of its own prison system. The US has a large number of legal slaves.
- I don't think people understand just how fucking MASSIVE that bullshit is. Any credibility that the US had in human rights is long gone.
  What turn is doing is what the original filibusters did prior to the civil war. Basically considering chattel slavery such an important part of their 'liberty' ideal that they wanted to spread it to places where slavery had been abolished. Like the carribbean and Central America.
- Yes, and how does that justify anything? I don't understand this logic at all, the US being bad doesn't make the Houthi slavers good. Slavery is wrong regardless of who does it.
They overthrew Gaddafi when he was the only thing preventing slavery from returning, and the allies of the West now have open slave markets in Libya.
- Non sequitur.
Houthis did not reinstate slavery. The "legitimate" Yemeni government that the Houthis are rebelling against reinstituted slavery
- Incorrect. While the ousted government often overlooked slavery due to corruption, the Houthis have expanded as part of their interpretation of the Quran, one shared by other nutbags like Boko Haram and Daesh.
  https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/yemen/
They're not threatening global trade, they're fulfilling their obligation under international law to prevent genocide by blocking ships of countries that are aiding genocide.
- It's a wonder people on Lemmy don't understand why their politics are unpopular, when they openly support slave holding terrorists attacking civilian ships.
What lead them to be on position to be able to do such a thing?
Who helped to stabilise the previous gov & infrastructure (hospitals) ... and stopped overnight destabilising the country early pre-covid?
- That is a different topic not relevant for the current discission.
- I don't know, but I presume the answer is us.
  But that doesn't mean it is at all reasonable to just let them shoot at our boats and, I reiterate, REINSTITUTE SLAVERY.
- its something that would benefit russia so it was either russia or us
The houthis aren't exactly the best representatives of the movement but still, this issue would be better solved by stopping arms shipments to israel and pushing them to a ceasefire towards a permanent peace. The houthis have shown that they will stop there attacks when the bombs stop dropping on gaza with this last ceasefire.
These strikes don't do shit besides hardening the antagonism against the west in Yemen. Ask Saudi Arabia, you can't take out the houthis with bombs. This is just a way for trump to flex his arms and act like a tough guy.
- I do not trust murderous terrorist slavers to keep their word. And even if I did, the mere fact that there are attacking our people is more than justification enough to blow them to Hell.

Kids were killed but the chat leak was funny and that's what has been the people talk about instead.

Imagine being the poor family, who is stuck living in Yemen because they cannot afford to relocate, whose kid has died by Trump's bombing. Then all you see in the news about how they joked with emojis in chat killing your kid. "Oh your kid was killed in that emoji airstrike." Tell me why the fuck you would grow up anything but radicalized.

- We have to appeal to Republicans because they have the house and senate. They don't care about bombings at all, but we know they care about successful war operations. It sucks, but it is the only thing working.

Both are really serious problems in their own right, one's just a little closer to home

Also, one is going to spawn more of the other and worse over time.
It's not about the chat specifically, it's about ignoring any sort of rules the government is supposed to be beholden to, and getting away with it consistently as they push more and more.
- If the Houthi Militia do not want to be attacked they have to stop attacking cargo ships. No one should be defending the Houthi Militia unless you support killing innocent sailors for some fucked up reason.
Well yeah, if we let the bombs just collect dust, the manufacture's shares might drop in price. Can't have that, can we.

Bush and Obama did it too. Historically, it's been a targeted killing thing against Al-Qaeda (or so they have said), with whatever government they have, giving their blessing. If other sites are correct, Trump did it more, but it's kinda hard to pick nits there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Yemen

That's why a lot people are more upset over the lack of operational security than the action itself. They're not conducting themselves in a way that keeps our country safe, They skirting monitoring and can't even get that right.

Biden too, a year ago, which liberals seem very quick to forget:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/11/politics/read-biden-statement-airstrikes-houthis-yemen/index.html
- Which was due to them attacking innocent cargo ships
There was no civil war in Yemen when GWB was in office. We attacked Al Qaeda in Yemen after Al Qaeda attacked the USS Cole in 2000. This is unrelated to any current conflict
The Yemeni civil war starts under Obama. The Houthis instigate the civil war.

They're not exactly bastions of freedom-fighting rebels against tyranny, they are a dark-age group of bigots and legitimate threats to worldwide infrastructure by attacking shipping lanes. Shipping lanes keep food and medicine moving around the world, it's not just about the USA, most developed nations are supportive of responding to the Houthis with force.
edit: The situation with the Houthis is more about Iran and US than it is about Gaza/israel, PLEASE I beg of you to read up on the timeline and history before trying to argue with me and understand that the world is more nuanced than you want it to be, and in fact I challenge you to read up on this story and its history and NOT be disappointed on some level. There is no “good guy” in this, everyone is shit. Also I am turning off inbox replies so I don’t have to argue with reactionaries. Save your energy.
- They stopped the blockade when there was a ceasefire in Gaza, then they started it up again when the ceasefire ended.
  They are doing whatever they can to stop a "a dark-age group of bigots" (israel) from continuing it's genocidal actions
- Wow crazy how they just attack shipping lanes for no reason other than that they're bigots, also crazy how their attacks just randomly happen to correspond with Israeli violence towards Palestinians and primarily target Israeli shipping. Almost as if they're rational actors acting in retaliation - but no, they're just crazy bigots doing terrorism for no reason other than "they hate us for our freedoms."
  It's wild what a childish picture of the world people have.
- I know they have done horrible things and continue to do bad things but if the US would stop propping up all the other bad guys then this situation would resolve itself. We keep sticking our nose in that business and it will never bring about a resolution. The US hasn't won a single war since WWII. They didn't defeat the north Koreans the Vietnamize or the Taliban. They didn't win the domestic 'War on drugs' They won't win their war on freedom of body choice either. The truth is the US is losing and only ones winning are our enemies. Especially the ones we are helping.

Political context courtesy of the Arab Center in Washington DC:

TL;DR: The Houthis are backed by Iran, in direct regional competition to Saudi Arabian (and subsequently US) interests, and the war in Yemen is a direct result of 10 years worth of failed intervention by the Saudis.

Excerpt:

Exactly a decade ago, Saudi Arabia announced the launch of a military intervention in Yemen, promising to lead a coalition of more than 10 nations—although some would later end their participation—against the Houthi armed group, officially known as Ansar Allah, that had taken over power from President Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi. Backed by the United States, Britain, and other Western states with arms and shared intelligence, on March 26, 2015, the Saudi coalition commenced airstrikes on Houthi-controlled areas, initiating a conflict that would drag on for years. Riyadh’s initial expectation of a swift, six-week military operation to defeat the Houthis became a prolonged and costly entanglement that has tested Saudi Arabia’s ability to impose its will on its neighbor and to force the Houthis to give up their control over a large part of Yemen. Intervention Inception

Saudi Arabia’s rationale for intervention shifted over time as the conflict unfolded. At the outset, it cast the intervention as a direct response to President Hadi’s urgent appeal to the Gulf states and their international allies that he conveyed in a letter to the UN Security Council in March 2015. Hadi called for states “to provide immediate support in every form and take the necessary measures, including military intervention, to protect Yemen and its people from the ongoing Houthi aggression.” The Saudis initially conceived of the intervention as a decisive effort to reinstate Yemen’s legitimate government in the capital Sanaa. As the situation progressed, Saudi Arabia reframed its objective as restoring Yemen’s political process within the framework of the Gulf Cooperation Council Initiative, which in 2011-2012 facilitated the transfer of power from former President Ali Abdullah Saleh to Hadi.

The core rationale behind Saudi Arabia’s intervention, however, stemmed from its perception of the Houthis as an Iranian proxy on the kingdom’s border. Riyadh feared that Iran’s influence through the Houthis posed a direct threat to the kingdom’s regional dominance and interests. The kingdom saw the Houthi takeover of Sanaa not just as a challenge to Yemen’s stability but as a potential game changer in the broader Middle East power dynamics. In this context, Saudi Arabia framed its military intervention as a necessary response to protect its own security and regional influence.

Riyadh feared that the Houthis posed a direct threat to the kingdom’s regional dominance and interests.

But while Saudi Arabia believed Iran to be the principal force behind the Houthi takeover, the extent of Iranian influence over the group at the time was, in fact, relatively limited. Although the Houthis depended on Iranian military and logistical support, particularly for weaponry and strategic advice, they were not fully under Iran’s control. Iran, while capable of advising the Houthis on strategic and policy matters, lacked the leverage to dictate their actions. Rather, local factors such as longstanding tribal rivalries in Yemen, the Houthis’ longtime opposition to the central government, and their pursuit of greater political power, were more influential in shaping the Houthis’ behavior. The Houthi alliances with former President Saleh and certain factions of the Yemeni military also played a crucial role in the group’s rise. In other words, Iran’s influence was significant, but it was not all-encompassing, as the Houthis had their own political and strategic goals. Nonetheless, Riyadh persisted in portraying the Houthis as a tool of Iranian expansionism. Paradoxically, Saudi Arabia’s prolonged antagonism may have ultimately strengthened Iran’s influence, as it pushed the Houthi armed group to deepen its reliance on Iranian military and logistical support.

Worth noting The Houthis started the civil war in Yemen.
- Yeah the whole "had taken power" in OPs article pretty much shows its bias. The Houthis were never elected into power in Yemen, they forcibly took power after exploiting the peoples' rebellion against the elites.

I've heard it called Operation Amazon Prime, which is pretty hilarious. But only like 10% of global trade even goes by this area, even less of you're just considered direct US trade. Combine that with the context from that Signal chat and it's clear they bombed Yemen just because Trump wants to.

"only" 10%? 10% is pretty significant
- And a totally ineffective move that won't allow anymore trade to move through than before. So what's the point or the goal here. The Houthis have been putting up with much more than that for years between the Saudis and the Biden administration.
The Bab el-Mandeb is a hugely important chokepoint in world trade, and moves around 30% of global oil supply through there, along with 30,000 ships per year.
It's closer to 15% of total global trade, which is huge and really only affects European trade. Between 1.7 to 4 million tons per day of cargo transits the strait, and it is an incredibly tight pinch point, the navigable part of the strait is only a few kilometers across. Ships are currently detouring around the horn of Africa, which adds 15 days to the journey. That's a lot of fuel being burned.
What's Going On With Shipping has had extensive coverage of the conflict over the past year or so, with some pretty deep insights as to what is really going on. If you're interested.
- All the more reason for a diplomatic solution, escalating the conflict will only disrupt trade more. A peaceful solution is the only way for trade to resume safely. The USA has no interest in peace in this area, only conflict. The only foreign policy the US has is to sell weapons.

One way to look at it: Yemen's current conflict is a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Put it another way, it's their Vietnam

The MAGA movement have no care about what the administration does, especially when it comes to non-americans in a country literally none of them coudl identify on a map. But if you show them "look how poorly this bombing was planned and carried out" then maybe they will listen.

Also bombing Yemen is a presidential tradition that every president in the past 25 years has done. Yes, Trump probably bombed them more in his first term than all his predecessors combined, but no matter what kind of president is in office, American's are very normalized to hearing that the president bombed Yemen. And because they are generally just periodic attacks, it gets hard to keep up the push to get the government to stop because the answer is always "well, we're done now anyway, national security reasons, bla bla bla."
So instead Americans vote for candidates who say they're going to get us out of foreign wars, which Trump knows to do on the campaign trail, and he talks about it more than any other candidate and people keep believing him, even though he's lied before.

They are bombing Yemen, because the houthis are attacking our boats. Transportation ships. Never fuck with US international commerce.

Why are houthis attacking our boats?
- And why did they stop for seven weeks?
- This is America. The money is in treating the symptom, not the cause. Who cares why they're doing it, or that the likely cause is a valid grievance against something the U.S. is doing, when the U S. can put on a display of might to justify the war machine budget?
- Money? Isn’t that what they ask for in return of the cargo? It’s either a bomb or a random. It’s terrorism
In the text thread, they admit only 4% of US trade goes through the Red Sea. They question whether or not they should do it using that number, along side the EU’s 40% trade.
They even admit to NOT wanting to do it for the very purpose of hurting Europe.
But you go ahead and keep shining those boots with your throat.
You: “kill babies because I need my Nikes.”
FREE PALESTINE
- We’ve always kept a freedom of navigation policy. Anyone who does piracy or destroys civilian ships usually gets fucked up. These people do not care about the Palestinians if they did they had plenty of land to accept some refugees. Is Yemen accepting Palestinian refugees to save them from genocide? Or are they just doing more violence?
False. The Houhis are attacking Israeli boats.
- Source? There’s a lot of boats that pass through every day. Like hundreds. I’m sure you guys are all experts on cargo shipping but let’s be honest and share your data

They’re bombing the Houthi’s in Yemen because the Houthis have been launching Iranian missiles at ships in the Red Sea since 2023? Including the US navy (don’t touch the boats) and Israel. The houthis are currently holding hostage a number of crews of merchant ships

bombed for being based

The bombing is worse, but using signal instead of official communication channels is still really fucking serious. They want to plan and commit war crimes and avoid any responsibility for it by trying to keep it from ever getting under public scrutiny.

Especially since this is what was caught. Considering how brazen it is, and how those involved are trying to worm out if it, you have to wonder if there's similar or worse going on that flew under the radar because a journalist wasn't accidentally roped in.

They leveled a building to hit 1 target

Because bombing the Houthis for terrorism or attacking Gulf states/western interests has been the status quo for over a decade.

That, and because we don't care about Yemen, but we do care about an over powered executive abusing power, breaking multiple laws, and endangering US troops/assets.
TLDR: Bombing Yemin is legal, breaking US national security is illegal.

Zero surprise.

The dems have always supported genocide very openly.

These memes about the "leak" represent the only principles that they have - violent support for the procedures of the status quo.

So, exactly how far does Trump have to go for you to admit that "BoTh siDEs Are ThE samE" didn't work?
Republicans put national secrets at risk while bombing Yemen.
You: The important thing to say about this is that Democrats support genocide.
lol the dems have always supported genocide?? Can you cite a single source for that bold af claim?

people feel there is more of a chance to hold people accountable for the group chat than the bombing

That's because The Houthi are attacking cargo ships. They are murdering innocent people on boats who are merely traveling through one of the most important waterways for world trade.
If you are actually informed on the Yemeni civil war and global geopolitics you aren't backing The Houthi.
- Odd that your knowledge extends that far but doesn’t talk about civilian deaths, starting another war in the Middle East, or Saudi Arabia’s involvement in Yemen

Houthis are the only international actor acting in open military opposition to the genocide in Gaza. They are doing their best to enforce a shipping blockade pending a cessation of Israeli war crimes. The US obviously wants the genocide to continue, as well as all shipping trade through the area.

Because it’s sensational that so incompetent people are in charge.

The fact that sensation is the motivating factor for reporting is a problem

Well they are attacking our shipping sooo...

Sooooo corporations should actually pay more in taxes and the ultra wealthy that benefit from our subsidizing their global police force should too.
It's pretty disgusting that they on the one hand tell us our gigantic military budget is needed to protect global shipping lanes but also we need to reduce taxes on the ultra wealthy and their corporations too...
You're shipping? As in you have any legitimate borders or control of the red sea? No? Just an imperial bootlicker then?
- I'm not shipping, you're shipping.

Because zionist central bankers own our politicians through Aipac snd CUFI donations. The houthi are waging against the zionist state of israel to free the Palestinian people under oppressive occupation and genocide funded by our tax dollars

Today on "Is it Lemmy or 4chan" : Zionist Bankers!
- https://youtu.be/OiopyxPHS-g
  Today on neo liberal paridoxical brain rot. “Anyone who identifies as a zionist is therefor jewish and completely absolved of being held accountable, the idea that ultra wealthy zionists who hold extreme Socio-political and economic power who have publicly spoken of their aims and used their wealth to manipulate and influence others to also serve their interests are very likely working together for a common interest, is just a crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theory and should be discredited immediately because it makes all people who support a genocidal ethno stare look bad and that reflects poorly on judaism as a whole!”
You're putting the horse before the cart here. US politicians fund Israel because they feel Israel is useful for their geopolitical goals in the region. When they want to bomb Iran, they don't do it themselves and risk retaliations to their ships, they have Israel do it. Also Israel is great for the US military industrial complex. Korea can't put "tested in Gaza" on their weapons like Lockheed can.
- You may believe this is the case but it really is not. Look at the uss liberty incident. The us allowed Israel to attack a us naval vessel with impunity. Our entire political system in the us is owned and controlled by transnational multi billion dollar military and prison industry profiteers. they don't have any allegiance to the population of the usa besides their own class who all seem to vehemently support the same cause of the zionist ethno state of israel and the perpetuation of an obvious genocide against the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. This all goes back to the rothschild family, the balfour declaration Theodore Herzl and the several Zionist terrorist paramilitary Groups that waged terror across the levant from the earliest moments of the 20th century until 1948 when the British occupation of palestine ended and the british empire gave control of Palestine to zionist leaders who then condemned the terrorists groups who carried out violent bombings, attacks assassinations and instigated riots that were responsible for the deaths of several thousand Palestinian jews, Christians Muslims as well as American expats, British citizens and British troops stationed in Palestine. But despite condemning these criminals the ranks of their terrorist groups (hagannah, irgun, palmach and lehi) were welcomed into the newly formed govenrment as well as the IDF and mossad and many of the current zionist politicians in the likud party and other Zionist political factions have direct familial ties to members of these terrorist groups. These wealthy individuals who had the power connections and means to form these paramilitary organizations still have family members directly involved in central banking institutions such as the IMF world bank wall street and other connected institutions. These are people who consider themselves far beyond reproach and above governments. The rothschild family has spent a lot on PR to cleverly deflect any criticism of their wealth and how they use it as anti semitism but the Zionist movement would not be what it is today without the blood money of this central banking family of genocidal war mongers
The houthi are waging against the zionist state of israel to free the Palestinian people under oppressive occupation and genocide funded by our tax dollars
You got a source on those goals? Because the Houthis are pretty bad ngl. Seriously, read up on who they are and how they want to deal with LGBTQ+ people, women, and other religions.
Not saying our administration would be correct if it said in a public statement that the sky is blue, but forceful response to their piracy is pretty much globally condoned and one of those "someone has to do it" chores that come with being a powerful nation. The houthis didn't give a shit about palestine before Israel started this latest genocide, they're just desperate for the support of naive progressives around the world. They want to build an old-school islamist state and all the trappings that come with it.
edit: The situation with the Houthis is more about Iran and US than it is about Gaza/israel, PLEASE I beg of you to read up on the timeline and history before trying to argue with me and understand that the world is more nuanced than you want it to be, and in fact I challenge you to read up on this story and its history and NOT be disappointed on some level. There is no "good guy" in this, everyone is shit. Also I am turning off inbox replies so I don't have to argue with reactionaries. Save your energy.
- https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/houthi-leader-condemns-us-israeli-aggression-vows-support-gaza
  US “journalism” since the Reagan and bush sr. administrations both vetoed attempts to legislate the fairness in media doctrine have become blatant capitalist propaganda. Of course the west is going to condemn any rebel group that aims to re appropriate resources stolen from the people by repressive oligarchs like the saudi’s and other nations complicit in the western exploitation of looted third world resources for pennies on the dollar in the name of maximizing corporate profits. Im pretty sure the british said some nasty things after the boston tea party too. Rebels are always looked at as terrorists to those in power who commit war crimes with impunity. Those with the money who own the media dictate the narrative.
Within two years this same plot will play out with Israel backed Morocco in the berm vs Algerian fighters defending the native Western Saharan Sahrawi.
It's opec that's the money here, lots and lots of oil goes around there and the major target are opec owned oil tankers held hostage for payment. It's arguably a money laundering scheme but still.

The Yemen people aren’t white so they don’t care

The Houthis, is a Zaydi Shia Islamist political and military organization that emerged from Yemen in the 1990s. It is predominantly made up of Zaydi Shias, with their namesake leadership being drawn largely from the Houthi tribe. The group has been a central player in Yemen's civil war, drawing widespread international condemnation for its human rights abuses, including targeting civilians and using child soldiers. The Houthis are backed by Iran. The Houthis emerged as an opposition movement to Yemen president Ali Abdullah Saleh, whom they accused of corruption and being backed by Saudi Arabia and the United States.

Are the airstrikes working? No. Are they gonna continue? Yes.

I think it's because they keep sinking commercial ships and firing missiles at Israel, no? They also shot missiles at Russian, Chinese, European, Panamanian, Japanese, Korean, and South American ships.

Why were bombing them now is because Trump's a dumbass and needs to distract everyone.

Attacking those resuppluing or supporting Israel in thier ongoing genicode against Palestine.
- No, the waterways the Houthi are murdering sailors in are used primarily to transit goods between Asia and the rest of the world. The Houthi aren't targeting anything other than innocent sailors.

This is why the leak because people are talking about it which can be covered up and denied by the shitlords and not the actual attack, which is unjustifiable.

And people continue to think these people are "idiots" and "incompetent" for all these things that they do. All of this is carefully orchestrated and planned to fool the average person. Don't fall for it. We're dealing with serious, horribly evil people with a dangerous agenda to rule the world.

This is why the leak because people are talking about it which can be covered up and denied by the shitlords and not the actual attack, which is unjustifiable.
Except Biden did the same thing, for months, before packing up because all they were able to do was murder a bunch of civilians while spending millions of dollars to shoot down each 200 dollar drone they launched, and nobody except for the left cared.
Yeah, you expect me to believe these groups, that have been collaboratingto seize control of local and federal seats, dismantling rights and chipping away at our freedoms for decades are just some incompetent fools? Pfft, sure.
Unjustifiable response? This was the response to the attacks the Houthi made against unarmed cargo ships.
I don't think they are that smart; the smart ones are behind the curtains controlling them.

Nah, many of us actually understand the Yemeni civil war and know the Houthi Militia's role in starting it.
We also likely understand that the Houthi are randomly attacking unarmed sailors in one of the most critical shipping lanes in the entire world.
Finally some of us know who the Houthi Militia are and we don't support them because of that. I for one wouldn't support any organization whose slogan promotes racist genocides but that's just me and you could have an entirely different view on a slogan that promotes race based genocide.
Interesting perspective you have,

Saudi Arabia has been bombing Yemen for years

Yeah why bomb terrorists who fire missiles at ships?

I know you're arguing in bad faith so this comment is more addressed at anyone else who comes to this thread and isn't sure why this sort of attack may be controversial outside of the opsec scandal itself.
There are ways to eliminate terrorist threats with precision to reduce civilian casualties. They bombed an apartment building and killed almost 60 innocent people. If you think that it's okay that innocent people die in the crossfire as long as you take out the threat, or that they are all terrorists by association then that's your problem. The text chain clearly shows they understood they had plenty of time to consider other options, but the Trump administration has no regard for human life.
- Yea, this is what gets me and what news media needs to actually talk about. The texts are a security leak and sign of unfathomable idiocy and incompetence, sure, but there are missiles literally designed to target and blender people in an area the size of a car and nowhere else. They deliberately did this in the most irresponsible, collaterally devastating way possible. These people carefree murdered a bunch of children and families just trying to survive. Every single participant of that chat should be swaying in the breeze under a highway overpass right now.
- While I agree with most of what you said, I think that the idea that this is a result of carelessness mixed with callousness is wrong. Don't forget these are the people that believe in things like eye for an eye, teaching "lessons", divine punishment, and that God provides you with what you deserve. They also know that the Houthis are a tight-knit culture. That they are going to live amongst family and other Houthis.
  I have no doubt that the civilian casualties were a feature and not a bug. They chose their targets for the greatest "impact". They intended to send a "signal" and teach a "lesson". And the dead civilians were that message.
- Plus they were targeting one person. They spotted him entering "his girlfriend's apartment building" and blew up the entire building.
The French Resistance bombs bridges, why support them?

It's exhausting to keep track of everything that is wrong about this.

Calm down. Americans only recently learned where Palestine was. The grey mush they call a brain can only handle so much.

opens a post with question in the title that is lamenting that news don't give any real answers and focus just on "trump bad" story.

all top comments are just "trump bad" and "all bad government" and has to scroll deep down to find an actual answer to the question posted.

leaves understanding much better why news don't focus on context and give just emotional side stories.

The Signal chat "leak" was 100% arranged and intentional. Every person in that group was typing full copy-edited paragraphs like they were on reddit, not a chat room. They added one of the most conservative and compliant voices in the "liberal" press and somehow nobody in that small group noticed. And then he left to break the story as soon as he could instead of remaining a fly on the wall as long as possible like any real journalist worth their salt would.

Nah man, this was a little stage play to make this cabinet look like tough guys carefully making hard choices. To soften any public backlash against them bombing civilian buildings to rubble without congress even declaring war. I wouldn't trust a damn thing that Jeff Goldberg pens.

And to be honest? If I'm right, this is maybe the most competent op that the Trump II admin has pulled off so far.

Hard disagree. If you read the signal transcripts, it sounded like frat boys planning a bombing run.. highly unprofessional.
I think it's also a good idea to state this is your opinion, and is not, in fact, "100% arranged and intentional". We don't need more misinformation spread around.
- Hard disagree. Im not saying who is right, but no, people do not have to start their online comments with "this is an opinion ". Its a comment online, we can only hope its a opinion, and not just randomly ass trumpeted nonsense
- All three days of the transcript are entirely what I'm pulling from here. Whole thing read as extremely presentational to me, especially the first day. They knew they were probably getting published.
Or they are all just very incompetent, leaking classified information should have serious consequenses.
- Strong disagree, declassify everything that won't get someone killed and maybe some of the stuff that will too. You don't have to stan the military industrial complex to oppose these goons.

They're brown and poor and our country is deep in the arms trade.

Because they couldn't fight back

One could say that the group chat that shouldn't be (absolutely everything should be over official channels) has a lot to do with why bombing the poorest countries on Earth is a constant.

lib priorities

To open a sea route or something

Because they can

They are bombing because bombing stops all these wars.

Bombing does not stop war, bombing is war.

Because frankly, the leak is more shocking than the bombing. I have no knowledge of any regime throughout history that has done anything close to that level of incompetence.

for the headlines. don't you remember the daily headlines. ran out of inflamatory bs.

Peace, democracy, and freedom.

Hopefully this leadership is so incompetent that their stupidity like this gives some Ws to countries like Yemen. And by Ws I mean some of our terrorist in the sky dropping bombs instead drop into the ocean themselves. Kerplunk!

Scoreboard!

Those chat logs show that we're only bombing them because of the Suez canal. That is ridiculous.

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apparently it has something to do with a lot of world's trade passing through the channel between the mediterranean sea and the indian ocean.

Yes and it is nice to see that you came to that conclusion while so many others here missed this fact. The Houthi are murdering unarmed sailors in a critical shipping lane
- export weapons - import refugees

One person was the target. There were 150 casualties. 2 children died.

Because they can. That's it. That's the only reason.