How can I Legally Mess with ICE? [FALLBROOK: SIDE OF THE 395 ON RAINBOW GLEN, ACTIVE ICE RAID]
How can I Legally Mess with ICE? [FALLBROOK: SIDE OF THE 395 ON RAINBOW GLEN, ACTIVE ICE RAID]
I'm a farmer in San Diego County. In fallbrook/ temecula, there's a truck weigh station that's full of ICE operatives near me. Today, they blocked off the entrance to the only road that leads to a bunch of farms, including mine. I personally have a family farm, but I know my neighbors and their employees, and they're hard-working everyday people regardless of their immigration status.
To make a long story short, how do I legally fuck with ICE while they do a raid?
Edit: the only thing I can think of is recording and doing a verbal protest. I could try to share the footage with the local news. Given the current political climate, I'm not sure if they'd care. I don't want to see the people I've existed next to dissappear.
It's here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/MbUzWLDT73swafxf7?g_st=ac
If you know someone who works at Moon Farm Nurseries, fucking tell them RIGHT NOW to lay low. They're compromised.
Edit 2: they took everyone. The fields up and down our road are empty. I couldn't even get a picture because I had to drive past like nothing was happening. Fuck.
Edit 3: a couple of truckers pulled up with double wides and blocked the road. I can't tell whoes side their on. Whish me luck.
Edit 4: I think mite have made a checkpoint for me. I think I'll be fine, but I'm not sure. Live update.
Edit 5: I'm fine, one of the people in the double wide got taken too. Fuck this day. I hope everyone is doing okay.
There isn't much you can do at raid time. Interference is a crime. What you can do, but it may still cause problems for you.
- Alert their locations as much as possible.
- Film them at a reasonable distance and use an app that syncs to cloud instantly.
- Report police stations, jails, and prisons as placed you believe could be harboring illegal immigrants.
- Speak non-English languages first around them.
Shit, I didn't even think about a signal. I'm trying to get a recording device down there, but it's a narrow road with no signal on the side of a freeway. I think they could arrest me for j walking. Fuck man.
Edit: I don't think I can get anywhere close, god damn.
Fucking based Samwise McGee.
"Every time I have a problem, I just throw a Molotov cocktail, and then I have a different problem!"
- Jason (The Good Place)
Because it needs to be said and hasn't yet- you're a good person. The United States needs more people like you.
Broadcast ICE's location to others. While it may be too late, it'll sound the alarm and others will have time to prepare. Be specific: Identify cars, people, plates. The more aware people are of ICE's activities the better they can prepare.
be rich if you do this, when piolin did this back in the 90's on his radio show they came after him hard and; if he hadn't been rich enough to afford the finest lawyers; he would be in prison today.
That's pretty cool, but do you have a source for this? All I could find when looking up the name & 'radio' was this wiki page & the timelines don't match up. No mention of ice at all either
It's possible to do this anonymously.
Consider deleting your comment. It wrongfully suggests that there is nothing to be done.
Broadcast how
So I was about to recommend the ACLU mobile justice app but I went to check if it was still working and it seems to be down. Reviews suggest it's been offline for a while. So if anyone reading this had also downloaded it and was assuming it would be there for you, maybe double check that.on your device.
I guess I got here too late, but in a case like this perhaps the most helpful thing you can do is call ahead and warn everyone "the migra are coming, the migra are coming!" like some kind of modern Paul Revere. That way, the legal citizens can be ready to stall and be unhelpful while anyone with reason to fear can scatter. And if someone is legal but brown they can grab the papers that prove they're not supposed to be scooped up as well.
Oops, your tractor, or other large machinery just broke down at the narrowest part of the road. It's unfortunate that it'll take days, maybe weeks to fix, and noone can drive past in the interim.
If they can't get their vehicles in, out back out, they'll struggle to operate.
Courts have ruled that cops can damage property in the course of their duties with no accountability or compensation required, so they'd probably just bulldoze it out of the way and destroy it. And then insurance would say they don't cover official acts of cops, and then the cops would send a bill for damaging their bulldozer.
There's probably more fun and effective ways to go bankrupt obstructing ICE.
Fair point, so maybe take a view on whether they've turned up with heavy machinery or just kidnap cars. In the OP's case they don't have time to prep, so they're going to have to play things as they are. If you're in a situation like this and do have time, you could find better ways to be able to blockade the road as needed. The blockage doesn't need to last very long, even delaying their entry by minutes might give more people time to escape. Blocking their way out slows this operation and the next one. Once people know they're in the area they lose the element of surprise.
They'd tow my my devices, but that's a good idea. I know I'm a farmer, but I'm not rich.
If they've got the machinery to tow your machinery then definitely don't risk it. At this point you can do more good if you're out of gaol and not destitute. Mind you, if you can get ner their vehicles unnoticed, a squirt of milk in the vent air intakes could provide delayed revenge when it goes off.
Look at the history of civil disobedience within the civil rights movement in the world. There might be some cogent examples to be found.
Go ask them how they are doing. Make small talk. They clearly hate other people
It's the nursery near the Google GPS info I provided. I think they're complacent. They're fucking gone.
The farms that turned them in.
They're going to lie and say you were unlawfully obstructing them and they'll file federal charges. I would put a cattle grate on your entrance so you can pull it out when they're around the area.
They lied about obstruction a lot. That's what I wasn't hoping for.i think I'm done. I was hoping to make a small change, and I will continue to do so. My first reflex was to say "fuck it", and post everything to the neighborhood ap. I think everything is fucked, though.
Fuck this is depressing... So the farm owners themselves sold out their own employees?
Pass out red cards to inform individuals. https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas
They wanna block the road, help them! Make the road completely impassable behind them. And in front of them. And under them. Just dig a big hole and chuck them in there. Then help your neighbours by refilling the hole to repair the road.
n.b. this may fail at the "legally" part
Did you say to throw these cops into a hole.
I think there’s a lot more points of failure than you suggested.
I said throw them in a hole and then fill the hole in on top of them. I admit it's not a plan that's likely to be very successful
Yeah come on like how big a hole
This groups number is one I've seen circulated for calling if you see an arrest happening.
Who owns the land on either side of the checkpoint? It's February, is anything even growing? Get permission to do a little offroading
I think they turned them in. Also, no. It's turnover season. Nothing is growing, and the chickens aren't laying and everyone is freaking out about their local eggs.
I think they plan on replacing local immigrants with American workers. Let them LIVE. I live in San Diego. Let them LIVE