US vetoes widely supported resolution backing full UN membership for Palestine
US vetoes widely supported resolution backing full UN membership for Palestine
Fuck you, Biden. I’m only voting for you because the alternatives are worse.
There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide. You have already hit rock bottom.
"I'm only voting for you because you're my preferred candidate."
...uh huh
Voting.
I'm going a step further and not voting for him.
Do what you want, but don’t kid yourself into thinking you’ll help the situation by exercising a vote for Trump, 3rd party, or abstaining from voting. Expect a lot worse treatment for Palestine, its citizenry, and other middle eastern countries from his opponent.
That being said, you may not have to worry about who you’ll vote for ever again if the fascists gain control… you’ll have a lot of other things to worry about, but voting won’t be one of them.
I’ll vote 3rd party with you. Don’t be dissuaded by the neoliberal hate machine, we have a right to choose something better. Maybe if enough of us believe that, we could have it.
Dearest Biden,
Please stop trying to get Trump elected.
Pleasant Regards, Everyone who gives a shit about abortion access.
Only reason Biden is free to support genocide is because his opponent is Trump. It is the current political climate responsible for Israel's blatant disregard to humanity.
This is why Biden doesn't care about his campaign promises. He just has to use the name Trump a few times in his speech and call several minority groups "the fabric of society" while doing nothing to help them. The only people winning during the next election is the lobbyists and the "bOtH muh SiDeS" people (the ones who complain if you critique about their favorite party).
fucking seriously. he won't step aside, and he won't stop holding it over the abyss.
he wants to make it as painful as possible to vote for him, but I just... I know at this point I can't, abd I'm starting to see much less radical people than me make that call.
Remember, Trump moved the whole US embassy to Jerusalem just to give Palestinians the middle finger. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1I810Z/ You can be sure that a very high majority of US politicians will take the same pro-Israel stand. The reason is simply campaign funding and lobbying. Look at AIPAC
Because Trump would have handled this better?
Only reason we didn't end up with a war in Iran in 2020 is pure fucking luck.
No, Trump is clearly fucking worse... but I don't want free Palestine folks to have a reason not to vote for Biden.
That doesn't make any sense.
If Iran is allied with Russia, and Trump is Putin's puppet, then wouldn't Trump be good for Iran?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/10/iran-nuclear-bomb-iaea-fordow/
Brought to you by decades of Israeli lobbying money mixed with gullible religious morons in the U.S. legislature. Money in politics leads to genocide.
In 2023 Israel spent $4 million in lobbying and got $4 billion in aid. We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y'all. No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.
We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y’all.
Traditionally, one calls that "forming a party" but unfortunately we live in a two-party system.
It should be noted that the $4B Israel got wasn't just $4B for Israel. It was $4B for purchase of US weapons systems too Israel. And it wasn't just Israel lobbying for this spending. You had a host of MIC lobbyists throwing in their own millions.
It should further be noted that AIPAC isn't just doing a one-time $4M retail purchase of legislation. They've spend decades building up an enormous back bench of former US Congresscritters, allied staffers, political bundlers, event organizers, and religious affiliates. They injected $4M down the funnel in an 11th-hour push for the next traunch of military kick-backs that they've been receiving since the Bush 43 administration.
No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.
Its important to recognize that Israel provides an incredibly vital service to the US military in the form of maintaining control of the Suez Canal. Its not just a 1000:1 ROI. They're holding Egyptian national leadership at gunpoint and we're kicking them over some money to keep the gun loaded.
Re: gullible religious folks in the US.
After 9/11, I remember seeing "Jews for Jesus" pamphlets being passed out by right wing Jewish folks to any person passing by. It was a cynical ploy to use the environment to further right wing Israeli religious interests. Land grabs by way of illegal settlement building has never stopped.
Of course, many, perhaps majority even, of evangelical and fundamentalist christians in America are the most 'useful idiots' since they believe the Rapture requires full support of Israel in order for end times Prophecy to come to fruition.
Are you sure the people passing it out were right-wing Jews and not "Messianic Jews?" Because the latter are often people who were raised as Christians, found out they had a Jewish grandmother, then became a Messianic Jew to feel closer to her.
There are also plenty of people who are third-generation Messianic Jew or whatever.
Sure, there are people who are ethnically Jewish and grew up steeped in Jewish culture and religion but one day converted to Christianity, but they aren't the majority of the "Jews for Jesus" crowd.
Such a great idea to make an international organisation for diplomacy where the nations that are already dominant also have complete power to stop anything they don't like.
Surely this is a credible institution and not just a respectable veil over imperialism.
That's right just sit there and frown at the guy vetoing instead of doing your duty to humanity and punching him in the face.
It's so funny to me that you guys turn to violence so quickly to get what you want, like you start talking like you care about things being fair but literally can't help but show your true colors 'Anyone who doesn't do what I want should be beaten!'
You love imperialism, you just think you should be in charge of it lol
"you guys" meaning who exactly? Anarchists aren't known for their love of imperialism.
And what, a punch is imperialism now? You really just want anyone that disagrees with you to be a nazi or something, don't you? Or I guess you assumed I was a tankie, didn't you? Some words are just doomed once liberals get a hold of them.
I guarantee you if someone punched that guy in his stupid fucking face mid-veto it would be front page news and it would influence public opinion, and at the very least that person could tell their grandkids, "I didn't just sit there frowning and doing nothing while thousands were condemned to death and suffering." It would also delegitimise the UN quite a lot, which I think would be a good thing. But it's not going to happen because anybody there is well-paid and has a prestigious position, which is one of the ways an institution like that maintains its appearance of legitimacy.
EDIT: Oh, and anyone that doesn't "do what I want"? You think there are two sides to whether Palestine needs support and recognition in the midst of an ongoing genocide? This isn't a difficult moral calculation.
"Biden and his administration are doing all they can" my ass!
They're exactly as beholden to the Israeli apartheid state as all the previous ones going back to 1948, if not MORE than many of them.
Just one example of many that the DNC is still stuck in 1992 and almost half as unresponsive to the will of the majority of the people as the literal fascists on the other side of the aisle 🤬
They are doing all they can to cover for Israel, while attempting to appear neutral.
Someone remind me again why does the US, or any country, have veto power in the UN?
A veto power basically makes the entire institution useless.
Because without it there would be no UN, and as useless as you think the current UN is, I promise you no UN is even more useless.
It's bleak but the fact that we can even get everybody in the same room is remarkable. Like it or not, a UN where Monaco and the US (or, Russia, China, etc) have the same power at the table is a UN where the big players reject its authority and form their own clubs.
Justify how there would be no UN without such veto. Because, honestly, an agreement council where you can only agree as a group to do something if the big players don't say otherwise to me looks like it just compounds the eternal problems we already have and is nothing more than just another flavour of "feel free to protest in a way that does not importunate me" Capitalism.
See league of nations.
US, China, Russia, France, and the UK have veto power over Security Council resolutions because they are the ones who are called upon to actually enforce Security Council resolutions.
The threat of violence.
U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”
Fuck you Robert Wood!
I would love to see an Internet campaign to bombard him with "Fuck You Robert Wood, the coward."
Reminder the US is an imperialist power that is evil.
Taiwan can't get recognized despite its government being a founding member of the UN and folks surprised it's contentious for Palestine to be recognized?
This outcome was by no means surprising, especially as it was not Palestine's first application for membership and the US has even vetoed resolutions calling for an immediate ceasefire in the conflict between Israel and Palestine on several occasions. The difference to your comparison, however, is that Israel itself, unlike China, has no right of veto in the UN Security Council.
This is a bit misleading, though, Taiwan doesn't want to be recognised as a nation, it wants to be recognised as the one legitimate government of China.
Palestine just wants a seat at the table.
The problem with that is that Bejing makes it very clear that declaring independence would lead to an invasion of Taiwan. So for a long time most Taiwanese rather did want to keep the current basically independent status quo. However support for unification was low since Taiwan became a democracy. Since the Hong Kong protests and the extraction bill polls for independence show a majority supporting it though.
Also Palestine has a seat on the table, just no vote, as a observer of the UN without being a member.
Of course the UN is a joke anyway, so it’s not like this really matters in any way.
The vote in the 15-member Security Council was 12 in favor, the United States opposed and two abstentions, from the United Kingdom and Switzerland. U.S. allies France, Japan and South Korea supported the resolution.
Pretty interesting
The US veto allows their allies to vote for popularity without being bound
We won’t know if that happened here but it could have influenced it
WTH
Does Palestine even have a reasonable government that could represent them?
Does Israel?
Doesn't answer or invalidate my question tho.
Does the US?
Nope. Then again, when it comes to this particular conflict, neither does the US.
And it's about to become even worse when the combination of Biden's insistence that Zionism is more important than human rights and the DNC's insistence on him likely leads to another extremely avoidable loss to the mango Mussolini and his fascist henchmen.
They at least have a government, not 1.5 governments.
Stupid US-ians.
To the surprise of absolutely no one
Taxation without representation?
Yup. The majority of the US people want the US government to stop being a lapdog for a fascist apartheid regime.
No amount of neoliberal party loyalists downvoting your true statement is going to change the fact that this means that the US government doesn't faithfully represent its people.
Was curious what was the US's perspective/reasoning behind not voting for it. From the article...
U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”
The United States has “been very clear consistently that premature actions in New York — even with the best intentions — will not achieve statehood for the Palestinian people,” deputy State Department spokesman Vedant Patel said.
Weel, well, well - here's another one that I did nazi coming.
What’s next? Palestine applying to join NATO? Cats and dogs living together?
PEOPLE ARE GONNA MARRY HORSES!
Palestine applying to join NATO?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”
Ambassador Riyad Mansour told the council after the vote: “The fact that this resolution did not pass will not break our will and it will not defeat our determination.”
Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. ambassador, reiterated the commitment to a two-state solution but asserted that Israel believes Palestine “is a permanent strategic threat.”
Ambassador Gilad Erdan called the resolution “disconnected to the reality on the ground” and warned that it “will cause only destruction for years to come and harm any chance for future dialogue.”
Six months after the Oct. 7 attack by the Hamas militant group, which controlled Gaza, and the killing of 1,200 people in “the most brutal massacre of Jews since the Holocaust,” he accused the Security Council of seeking “to reward the perpetrators of these atrocities with statehood.”
After the vote, Erdan thanked the United States and particularly President Joe Biden “for standing up for truth and morality in the face of hypocrisy and politics.”
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I still don't get it. Didn't this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
give Palestine and Israel equal right to exist? It seems like Israel got all the benefits and Palestine none, it just keeps ceding (and getting stolen) more and more land to Israel.
I am somewhat amazed how much influence Israel seems to have over the United States. Even colleges and universities behaving as though they may as well be established in some autocratic, authoritarian state. It's like a signal was sent out all over the US. The same nation that brought the world NSO has people doxxing students for supporting Palestinians. How easy it's become to dehumanize people, women and children, babies even because the religious fervor truly has the right wing zealots believing they are "the chosen people". The dehumanization of Palestinian people is quite disgusting.
Another reminder that religion and politics should never be allowed to mix anywhere.
Ita not just the US, all Western countries except Ireland are basically doing whatever Israel wants. Check any larger western newspaper and none are really critical of Israel. Look at Germany for an example of how fucked they are in Europe.
Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Estonia, Japan, Austria and Romania All cut UNRWA funding based purely on Israels word with zero evidence.
When will this lie stop? People never shut the fuck up about this conflict in the west. There are endless protests and the media repeats that Isreal needs to stop every day.
And yet all day, every day, on Lemmy people cry about the west not caring or writing about it or shilling for Isreal. It's just delusional bordering on dishonest at this point.
Because the US is full of Christian zealots who believe that when the Jews manage to rebuild their temple, armageddon happens and they all get to go to Heaven.
They are actively cheering on WWIII and the deaths of billions over a 2000 year old work of fiction. And are neglecting to mention that this Jewish country they all support will be bombed into dust for their messiah to return.
Christian Zionists belong to a death cult and the fact that they have so much influence over an allegedly secular government is gross.
The part they don't say out loud is that they also believe that all the Jews in the world have to live in Israel after the temple is rebuilt. Meaning expelling Jews from the U.S. and all other countries other than Israel.
Remember, some of us aren’t as informed as you, we need a little help.
NSO Pegasus spyware was discovered on phones of activists, journalists, dissenters the world over some years ago. It is now likely being used by the US government which cried foul when the news first broke.
It was found to be a zero-click !!! spyware. Meaning you didn't even have to click on something accidentally or ignorantly for it to get established on your phone. Then you were basically owned. They sold it to whoever, especially autocratic, authoritarian regimes who were using it to surely crackdown on any dissent.
Surveillance as a Service: The Global Impact of Israeli “Defense” Technologies on Privacy and Human Rights
https://blog.torproject.org/surveillance-as-a-service-global-impact-of-israeli-defense-technologies-on-privacy-human-rights/
A stasi like future awaits us all, even inside democracies.
Its not surprising, the most support outside of Nazi Germany for Nazi Germany was from the United States including the Nazis taking eugenics from field trips to the southern United States.
Source on Nazis getting the idea for eugenics from the Southern US? That sounds like Netanyahu's insane take that the Nazis got the idea for the Holocaust from a Palestinian mufti.