How is nicotine legal?
I just got up and took about 7 big huffs on a vape while making a coffee. 2% strength and my vision went, everything went black I started blacking out against the kitchen counter. Had to kneel down and wait for it to pass before standing up to finish my coffee. Fucked it up in a cloud of confusion and drank a warm milk.
How the fuck is nicotine legal?
Why should it be illegal?
No one is forcing you to huff it.
That's a really bad argument. People smoking in public do force me to huff the second hand smoke.
I should have been clearer - why is weed illegal while other less-harmful drugs like weed (UK) are illegal? Makes no sense. If I can black out from weed while making coffee surely to fuck weed which has never made me black out should be legal? All weed ever did was make me fucking laugh or get paranoid.
Most of the drug laws are due to back door racism, at least here in the US. They couldn't make laws that directly targeted minorities and so they made laws that targeted things that were part of the targeted minorities culture. Opium and heroin laws seemed to target Asians and the weed laws seemed more to target "beatniks" and Native Americans. It's an interesting (if depressing) research topic of you've a mind.
why is weed legal while other less harmful drugs like weed (UK) are illegal?
wat
If I can black out from weed while making coffee sure to fuck weed which has never made me black out should be legal?
Lol I know you meant nicotine and not weed, I think the nicotine is still affecting you
why is weed illegal
Now that's a good question, very odd indeed. But I don't know the answer.
You passing out from huffing on a vape is your own, wierd, unique reaction to nicotine due to your own misuse. I can pass out if I huff a glass of water and that would likely kill me. You can slam 20 energy drinks and make your heart explode, you can eat too much food and die, you can drink too much alcohol and get alcohol poisoning. That is all equivalent to someone who apparently has zero nicotine tolerance taking rips on a vape and being mad they got light headed. That is your own fault. That being said, I am totally down with legal weed and illegal nicotine, however, weed impairs your judgment for hours, nicotine only makes you a bit light headed for a minute, and only if you don't have a tolerance. I say this as I rip my 12% vape with zero effect.
Second hand smokers:
Perhaps you should've taken a few big huffs of air aswell?
Talk like that is a slippery slope to becoming a hippy Hydro Homie and before you know it you'll be suggesting crazy shit like I should drink water!
Ah, here he is.
The reason for warning labels on everything
Cheeky sod! I only ate one crayon!
Hey now, if we just militarize our police a bit more, kill and/or throw a few more black people in jail, and further erode civil liberties, surely white kids will stop over dosing on drugs.
/s for the morons
They don't, but taxes are really fucking effective.
My guy, see a doctor. Temporary blindness/blacking out is not a normal reaction to nicotine, even in excess. "Nic sick" should just mean nausea/vomiting, dizziness and headaches.
I got unconscious on marijuana two times. Not much, smoked a few times before without any consequences. Went to the doctor, he tested my heartbeat (I think), which was fine, and said โwell just donโt smoke marijuanaโ. Which I ended up doing because I was scared. But I would have liked to know what the fuck was going on with me because that canโt be normal. The doctor did not care.
I take it you have never taken nicotine in any capacity then. This is not "nic sick" but that "first hit of the day." Happened to me and everyone I knew when i smoked cigs, and when I kicked it for vaping, and when I kicked that for gum, patches, and lozenges. It's lightheadedness caused by replacing all your air with not air AND the head rush of nicotine.
That said OP should kick the habit if they can anyway (:
Idk I tried a weed vape once and felt like I was going to pass out like that lol. I stick to edibles.
Not that weird imo if he puffed it that many times in a row without coming up for air.
Same way caffien is legal. If you downed 7 espresso shots in a row I'd bet you'd also feel some advers effects. Hell down 7 McDoubles and see if you dont feel adverse effects.
Sounds more like a blood circulation thing. Nicotine overdose feels more like dizziness and tingling. If you ever feel like fainting try moving your arms and legs to get blood circulation up again. If it happens often see a doctor.
I like the discussion on nicotine, but yeah. Op's "medical moment" seems unrelated to nicotine!
doctor
Is that the place you call at 8:45 and end up in a queue until 9:15 when you get told there's no appointments available?
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I think this was supposed to be in c/shitposts
All drugs should be legal. Heroin should be legal. What actions people decide to take towards their own bodies are none of the governments concern (outside of offering rehabilitation).
I agree.
If this affects the functioning of society of course it's government concern
My body is a temple (of shit). I used to be a fit, healthy runner & judoka until I became a fat meth addict in my 30s. Now at 40 I've quit meth but I was probably suffering from dehydration[1], high BP[2] and shite health[3] when I vaped this morning so the head rush had more effect than normal.
I struggle to give a fuck though. I was told I have high cholesterol a few years back but tbh I don't really wanna be here.
But I don't have the guts to end it[4] so I'll just coast along abusing my body til it packs up and dies. I'm doing well at that: I'm so sedentary I get back ache just standing up and I'm still about 20kg overweight. This year I'm 41! I don't remember the last time I celebrated a birthday and this year won't be different. I have an uncle who died at 42 of a heart attack; maybe I'll go the same age.
I feel you.
I've had a hard life, too. Not in the same way - for me, it was the Army, backpacking, rollerblading everywhere, skiing every year since childhood, dabbling in various martial arts, and just a lot of physical activity. Now, later in life I have chronic back pain, my knees are shot, and I have arthritis. I can't do any of those physical activities that I loved so much anymore, I'm tired of corrective surgeries, and I'm just weary of being in constant pain. I used to obsess about the fact that I couldn't avoid dying some day; now, it's comforting to know someday the pain will be over.
So I get where you're coming from, and I hope you can get to a better place.
If I'm allowed two minor rants: a highly physical life will wear you down. The body wears out: being active makes it happen faster. Obviously, being obese brings it's own issues, but the fact that we (Americans) villify sedentary lifestyles but glorify sports is unbalanced. The rule should be: moderation in all things.
My second rant: because of the opioid crisis, people who are in chronic pain are treated like addicts. Medical professionals are now terrified of using the best pain management tool available to us today. Example: my wife is going in for a major surgery - they're literally cutting her abdomen open, taking her guts out, cutting a bunch of stuff that shouldn't be there out, and stitching her back together. The recovery period will be months. She's been tld going in that they want to manage the pain without opioids -- which isn't "managing" the fucking pain, it's just forcing her to suffer through it. All because of laws and regulations punishing the prescription of opioids has doctor afraid of doing it. It makes me furious.
You seem to understand what happened decently well already, why did you really make this post? Your situation reminds me of my wife's father who was in a similar situation, over 40, ex meth user who had ended up on cigarettes and really abused himself until he got cancer from the cigs and passed and his negligence for his own life really hurt my wife and her family. He was a badass dude, and I regret I didn't know him better.
I hope you can find a reason to treat yourself better, especially if anyone loves or relies on you, it's the best reason I have to do decent in life, it'd never be for me, it'd be for my loved ones.
The bigger question is why alcohol is not illegal. Ruins lives and families all over the globe. It is addictive, although not as much as opioids, and drunk people cannot drive and can also otherwise not be trusted. Some tend to violent outbursts etc.
The only answer is: It's easy to make, it's been tradition and banning/limiting it has been tried before. And that's also the reason why tobacco is still legal and nicotine isn't illegal.
It is addictive, although not as much as opioids
Here's the thing. There's that famous study of Vietnam vets who used heroin. Turns out that 95% quit cold turkey and never relapsed. In Vietnam, their life was shit, so they used heroin to cope. Back in the US, their lives weren't that shit, so they simply stopped using.
Alcohol? If an alcoholic quits cold turkey, there's a high chance they'll drop dead.
This is partly why there's that 2010 study that ranked alcohol as being more dangerous than heroin.
Because laws shouldn't exist to protect morons from themselves. If you want to naturally select yourself out of the gene pool go right ahead.
That's a bit mean, but ok. ๐
And wrong as hell ๐คฃ why they think they have to wear seat belts? To hold up their pants in the car?
Lobbying. Why is anything in its current legal status? Because a lobby somewhere has spent an amount of money to convince someone to make it so.
I know, right? Last night I drank 5 liters of water while brushing my teeth, and I got a serious stomach ache! How is water legal!?
What I'm saying is that what you experienced there was something called an "user error".
I have smoked for around 15 years now, got a vape maybe 3 years ago and I've never had anything like that happen, unless you count the "contests" we had in middle school.
I know, right? Last night I drank 5 liters of water while brushing my teeth, and I got a serious stomach ache! How is water legal!?
I don't think that's a good idea.
What Iโm saying is that what you experienced there was something called an โuser errorโ.
I know.
I have smoked for around 15 years now,
Good for you.
got a vape maybe 3 years ago and Iโve never had anything like that happen,
Skill issue.
unless you count the โcontestsโ we had in middle school.
Silly behaviour.
Same way alcohol is legal I imagine, we've been doing it for enough time that it has become culture, and it's not like THAT many people die of it anyway.
Luckily smoking (hopefully including e-smokes) appears to still be declining.
They'll never ban nicotine. Have you ever dealt with an ex-smoker? Very aggro. You'd have riots of very angry people if we banned nicotine immediately.
I could see vapes going to way of cigarettes and being educated out of society but it's going to take a generation. A lifetime of being told "smoking is bad" killed smoking but vapes popped up that solved a hundred problems with smoking immediately (no arsenic, no cancer, no tar, etc) so I think they'll have to brainstorm on how they can convince a big chunk of people why nicotine is bad.
I've quit vaping a few times but came to a horrifying conclusion: Why? It's not like it improves my life massively. Not like smoking where you regain your sense of taste, smell and improve your health. You've simply removed the ability to have morning head rushes. That's it.
I beleive they will, here in australia the gov has been slowly but surely driving up taxes on cigarettes until the point where its such an expensive habit that people wont get hooked in the first place because why spend all that money on durries when you could spend it on some much more enjoyable and affordable instead - before you get to the addiction stage.
This is along with changing laws to deincentivise smokers, such as plain packaging laws to remove advertising appeal, banning indoor smoking and smoking within x-meters of a building doorway, etc.
And now vapes are the new thing the tobacco industry is pushing they have outright banned nicotine vapes and cartridges importing and buying.
If they create a generation that never starts smoking then will anyone resist banning it by the time the last smokers die out?
Nicotine is legal because it was never made illegal, similar to most things which are legal.
Most of the time in which nicotine has been available it has been through combustion which destroys some of the nicotine and will cause a newcomer like you to cough like a maniac and vomit long before you've taken in enough nicotine to faint. Now that vapes designed to be easy to inhale are available and the amount of nicotine can be adjusted to be higher or lower by the manufacturer, a newcomer can inhale much more nicotine at once than has been possible until very recently. Also, the experience you just had is very unlikely to happen again for two reasons. First, you're probably not going to take huge hits of that vape anymore and second, your brain has now been exposed to that chemical so you now have some tolerance.
Headrush. It's part of the appeal! Funny story, I once stood up too quickly and as I opened the door to leave the room I had a headrush. I grabbed the top of the door for support, but also fell against it trapping my fingers, so I yanked it back and smacked the door into my face, so I pushed it away and trapped my fingers in the top. Good times.
Maybe u shouldn't'a done that?
If we all thought like that we wouldn't have planes or butt plugs!!
Don't do that.
If you huff gas you'll get lightheaded, doesn't mean we make it illegal. Self control and responsibility for the win.
Real question is: Hows weed illegal (well over here it still is) and nicotine is not? It ainโt logical thinking thats for sure.
It's not legal where I live.
Where do you live?
Because itโs a major export and cash crop with significant cultural value. Banning it would go like banning alcohol did
I like how you brought up culture because tobacco used to be used almost exclusively for ceremonial/spiritual purposes and now people are basically pissing all over that by using it the way they do.
Lack of oxygen did this to you, blame the vape. Nicotine is still shit but so is vaping. If you want bronchitis later in life, keep vaping
bronchitis
Does this imbue me with special power? Will I be able to breathe so hard I float in the sky?
It is smoking. You are intaking all this shit into your lungs. Not on fire, but same thing. Get real people.
Combustion creates lots of nasty chemicals. Sure vaping has nasty chemicals sometimes too, but if it is properly regulated and studied, it appears to be a great method of harm reduction. Granted, we should take steps to ensure children aren't tantalized by them as best we can, but let's not shit on harm reduction.
Sarcasm nice
This is way weirder than anything in the hydrohomies channel.
๐ are you guys following me round Lemmy? Weirdos!
Nope, just clicked on a post like normal and recognized the name. Plus voyagerappโs โNew Account Highlightenatorโ feature makes you look like this
so you stand out a bit.