You can be the change you want to see. Tell them they're being creeps, and don't white knight
I think in a lot of people's books you'd be white knighting just by doing that.
I see what you mean, but I think that the lack of follow-up, or call for attention to yourself puts it in a different category.
Probably only by people who don't want the status quo to change
Sorry girl, but we're all dudes in here so you're kind of a creep for hanging out.
( I know what you meant :P )
If I still played multiplayer games, I'd just start a kick vote and leave it at that.
But it's actually a 7 year old boy....
FPSs are especially bad
I used a voice modulator before I found my clan.
Man, a original take of that one Terminator meme template? Now that’s interesting…
I don't think Dota 2 is like this. At least not in NA. People just want mmr. They don't give a shit about your gender lol
I wanna believe things are getting better. I have had women speak in my dota games a few times recently and havent seen anything weird. Though to be fair, the average age of dota player is pretty high. so maybe this is why.
I think this is the main reason. Without googling anything I'd say the average age of a dota 2 player is at least 19 (if not more) compared to 14-15 for other games.
I haven't played for a couple years but from what I remember out of thousands of hours playing I only heard a woman speak a small handful of times, it was always very surprising
Yup I’ve had the same experience with Dota 2. I can’t speak for the super low behavior score crowd, but on the high end everyone’s pretty chill.
DOTA 2 gave me a Stalker on Steam. Also a lot of inappropriate comments and insults. You also get automatically blamed more. I only play with friends now.
Last couple times i played with a woman no one was disrespectful which surpriced me greatly.
Tbf the Squad community is pretty cool.
I can’t believe it’s still a thing! I remember when Anita Sarkeesian was more in the news.
It's not
TL;DR you aren't being targeted because you're a woman. It's because you game
I explained this to another person before: many gamers are too competitive for their own good. That means they want to win at nigh any cost. A simple "tactic" is make the other team make mistakes by influencing them. The best way to do so at a distance is by breaking their spirit. So you act like any attacker: you find weaknesses, attack vectors, ways to inflict psychological pain.
Most of the time there are very few things you know about the enemy besides their pseudonym. So you attack them with bog standard things, generic things, because they are generic. However, every tiny thing you find out about them increases the attack surface. Their location, their voice, typing speed, character choice, character set (colors, theme, items, ...), etc. Perceived gender is just on other thing to add to the list.
Of course, if the gamer is losing, they are never the problem. Fault lies in others. Hence, even team mates become the enemy and the same rules apply. "If only everyone were like perfect like me, we would win".
It doesn't help that online gaming is just another digital activity. People behave worse when they can dehumanize the other party and that's what the internet does. It makes it easier to act worse. Additionally, gamers who spend a lot of time online, are not good at socializing, hence the chance of them having a partner is lower than average. To make matters worse, spending so much time in such toxic communities only propagates the behavior.
Even if the sex split were 50/50, each gender were represented equally, or the gaming space were dominated by non-males: they are just as human and I bet the problem of toxicity would persist. Humans are nasty, disgusting, and evil. We are mostly egoistic, self-centered beings that socialize because it helped us survive for millennia. However, that need to socialize is dwindling quickly.
If we want to tackle toxicity in gaming, there are many, many things outside of gaming that play a role which make it impossible to conceive a gaming only solution.
I think your point of view is interesting but flawed. It's very obvious you're not a woman, frankly. I've been playing video games since I was a child, and the absolute truth is, women absolutely face more harassment than male counterparts. That's a blog, but it links multiple studies, and you're welcome to review them yourself.
I've often found the argument that you're making is usually the Call of Duty defense ("it's not that gamers are racist, it's just that once we know your race, that's what we attack") and it's often used by the privileged to try and claim that everyone is a target, everyone is a victim, if you can't handle it then stop playing.
Oh no, there are definitely racist and misogynist gamers out there, no doubt. It's just that women are easily identifiable by their voice (or being confused for 10 year old kids), which stands out. It's the same as having another skin color, get-up, car, that the majority of your area - it stands out.
The article you posted doesn't mention (nor link to a study) about how harassment changed with voice changers, which I would be interested in. My guess would be that it becomes comparable to that experienced by male or male sounding gamers - which the article doesn't mention either.
It’s very obvious you’re not a woman, frankly.
I actually quit playing online games with people who aren't friends and when I did, the mic was mostly off + other players were muted very often. Do you still think I'm not a woman?
I've seen this harassment all the time in non-competitive games though. Even on the PS3 playing GTAIV, when my character was a woman, people would follow me, two different times people added me, no one had when I was a male character. One of them messaged me asking if I was actually a woman lol. Obviously this is just anecdotal, but there are plenty of stats about this sort of thing.
If your view is that most people are self-centered and nasty I think you maybe need to socialize with different people. Like you said the anonymity of the internet dehumanizes people and encourages more toxic behavior, I don't believe most people really are so toxic though.
If your view is that most people are self-centered and nasty I think you maybe need to socialize with different people. Like you said the anonymity of the internet dehumanizes people and encourages more toxic behavior, I don’t believe most people really are so toxic though.
It comes from real life experience. Growing up where I did was eye-opening to human misery and cruelty. Sadly, other people had it even worse than I did. I'll stop there before I get too negative.
It’s because a lot of incels are gamers.
I've found having trained a deeper man voice helps deflect pretty hard.
Ok, Elizabeth Holmes
There are voice modulators that make women sound like males. That'd be easier.
I'm now thinking that maybe male players should randomly use voice modulators to make it harder to assume someone's gender
But yeah, situation and community is a bit fucked up, and part of why I tend to only interact with my friends on-line
Shit, my steam name was The Cool Side of the Pillow for over a decade and I didn't even have to talk for people to assume I was a girl, for some reason.
The Fediverse is designed to skew male too. No women here, too much porn for that.
The porn part of that is irrelevant and you have either a distorted or a weird, old-fashioned view of women. A good amount of women love porn
Most women don't wank over furry cartoons and still images of nude women. Eg. The majority of what's on /all.
lol
shh
It's fun when you're a guy who can do a convincing woman's voice before dropping right back into a gravelly baritone.
They look like the Mellor shapeshifters from the Fringeworthy rpg.
So true. I've had to leave games/communities I absolutely love because of the male gamers that can't act with a modicum of adult, and the majority of others won't call them out on that behaviour.
Props to the communities that do welcome and treat us gals as fellow gamers.
