JK Rowling prefers two years in jail over using correct pronouns

Fuck JK Rowling. What a bigot.

Always has been...
It's just the kids reading her books 20 years ago didn't recognize all the problematic shit she wrote till they grew up.
- It’s just the kids reading her books 20 years ago didn’t recognize all the problematic shit she wrote till they grew up.
  Adult here who was an adult when the books came out and recognized all the awful racist and sexist imagery. I have nothing new to add to the conversation, I'm just gonna vent. There were quite a few of us here and there who spoke up when the books were published, but we were significantly outnumbered and immediately drowned out by the "shut up and stop complaining" crowd. Yes, all this talk of "problematic" issues in the Potter books are old observations we've been rehashing for two decades...the goblins who run the banks are a horrifyingly obvious Jewish caricature, Chinese character Cho Chang's first name is actually a Korean last name, the one black guy in the whole fuckin series is named "Shacklebolt" (seriously wtf), the one Irish character goes by "Seamus Finnegan," the main female character Hermione is constantly referred to as "bossy"...just to name a few. JFC, what a shitshow.
  Ok, one more example that got a lot of attention years back but sort of faded away from public consciousness: in the first movie there's a bigass six-pointed star on the fuckin floor of Gringotts, of all places. You know, Gringotts. The bank......where the undeniably Jew-like goblins work. No fuckin shit, it's right there, plain as day. That one still boggles my mind. I mean, what the fuck, man. https://i.postimg.cc/Jzx2hr31/happry-potter-1-star-of-david-gringotts.png
  EDIT: Hey everyone, it's been abuot an hour now and I just want to apologize for all this negativity. I've given this a lot of thought, and I've come to realize all the anti-this and anti-that complaints are really unfair and show only one side of JK Rowling. So I feel compelled to balance this out and remind everyone that she is also pro-slavery. Especially the kind of slavery that forces its slaves to work completely naked, and no one in the book has a problem with it except for the bossy lib girl that everyone hates.
- It’s just the kids reading ~~her~~ its books 20 years ago didn’t recognize all the problematic shit ~~she~~ it wrote till they grew up.
  Surely it can't have a problem with that wording, which doesn't refer to gender at all.

Has anyone in any country ever been incarcerated for misgendering a trans person? Is there even a significant number of people who seriously believe that would be an appropriate response?

Nope.

Just come out and tell us about your victimhood complex, Joanne.

Exactly! It's like going to jail for having someone presenting themselves as Joanne and you always call them Joanna. How will it ever be so much of a concern to throw someone in jail and destroy their future over it, Joanna? HOW??
- It's about the influential power. She's presenting a potentially dangerous rhetoric. She really does have the power to create a new wave of hate if she really wanted to.
In fact it's the other way around. Plenty of people have been incarcerated and worse for simply being trans

Using the correct pronouns is an issue of respecting others, and seeing Rowling doubling down on her smug and bigoted views in public is a revelation, because during a re-read, you start seeing these views reflecting everywhere in her writing. It's a deeply prejudiced and irrational world, and it stayed that way all the way to the ending with nothing in that world really changed.

I think being an adult is realizing that I don't love Harry Potter as much as I used to, because (I can't believe I'm saying this) I've finally outgrown it. It's time to move on.

Being a grown-up is painful.

A big part of that is context, I think. When we were children, we didn't have the knowledge or developed brains to recognize these things. And the lossy nature of our memory leads us to skew towards remembering things in more idealized manners, probably because it is easier to recall things as "concentrates" of reality. The parts that we, as adults, recognize as problematic don't tend to be remembered as significant because, when making the initial memories as children, we lacked the context to flag them as such.
I think being an adult is realizing that I don't love Harry Potter as much as I used to, because (I can't believe I'm saying this) I've finally outgrown it. It's time to move on.
On other hand, this realization frees you in a way and may potentially inspire you seek out or create another piece of art to love (and potentially share with others). While I disagree with a significant section of the population and believe that art is inseparably and indelibly linked to the artist, it is important still to be kind to our past selves and not judge them for what they didn't know. That still doesn't entirely soften the blow of "breaking up" with a piece of art that one has loved but, it can help with accepting it.
Being a grown-up is painful.
It's also joyful, terrible, wonderful, enraging, sorrowful, and countless other feelings and possibilities. I think it's beautiful, even if not always comfortable. And the uncomfortable bits provide contrast to the positive, letting them seem to shine a bit more brilliantly. Though, that could also be the near-pathological optimism that I adopted to cope with depression in my younger years.
- inspire you seek out or create another piece of art to love (and potentially share with others)
  I think we did a pretty good job on that recently. :)
The world is fine (if flawed and sometimes generic). The real issue is there isn't a single good character in them. Hermione is alright, with her desire to free the elves and generally no accepting of the status quo. Even she seems to stop caring about this after they're free and capable of doing something about it. There's not a single progressive person in those worlds. There are only not totally evil (but accepting of banal evils) people. Being against Hitler doesn't make you a good person, it only makes you not a literal Nazi.
- Neville is the only somewhat progressive character. It's just a transformation from loser to hero, but at least he never tossed his core values.
  All adults in the HP universe are terrible people, the only adult with a lick of integrity is McGonagall.
Well, as others in this thread have said, misgender him back. Give him a taste of his own medicine.
If someone doesn't want to respect others who cares?

Does she realize what a complete arsehole that makes her look? She'd rather go to jail than treat people like human beings?

He doesn't.
- assuming you didn't make a typo, this ain't cute. The signal you're sending is that respecting pronouns is a privilege you reserve for people you agree with.
- Personally I think pronouns should be abolished altogether - think of the cumulative time you could save by trimming the language like that. Trim the fat. After all, why use many word when few word do trick?
It's hyperbole and she is referring to being forced to think a particular thing. She's not wrong on the premise. But no one wants to analyze this because thinking and discord are hard.
- She can still think whatever she wants, she just isn't allowed to call people names they don't want.
  It is like me calling you "asshole" the whole time, and then proudly announcing that I would rather go to jail than stop calling you asshole.

The prosecution complex is real. No one's suing you for using the wrong pronouns you bigot.

In fact, I'm almost entirely sure that no one's ever asked Rowling to use specific pronouns because no queer person could stand being around her for longer than a minute.

*Persecution
Prosecution is a noun referring to the party bringing charges in a criminal case.
- Resulting in sentencing, for example, to two years in jail...
  Maybe prosecution was right this time!
Meanwhile she threatens to sue everyone within legal reach who calls her a transphobe.

[x] Doubt

Even if you disagree, using a pronoun is just polite. She'd have to go out of her way to do this.

He'd have to go out of his way to do this.
Start misgendering him and see how frustrated he gets.
You can't not use pronouns. It's about using the correct ones. Why do some people think pronouns are new? "You" is a pronoun, for example. It has nothing to do with gender.
- Not sure why you assume this? I never made the claim

Wait... is that really on the table? If so, then I grudgingly have to take her side insofar as objecting to prior restraint or compelled speech. Being an asshole is a fundamental human right.

No. It isn't on the table. This is another in the long line of scenarios that only exist in TERF imaginations.
It was not on the table.
Some rando posted on her Shitter account "vote for Labour, get two years" and Rowling responded with the quote in the headline.
If you read the article, they clarify that the Labour party wants to crack down on LGBTQ hate crimes, and nowhere is it said that they would make it illegal to use improper pronouns for others.
As fundamental as not having to put up with assholes.
You wanna do it? Go do it over there where no one else has to put up with your shit
- There is no right to not have to put up with assholes.
  You wanna do it? Go do it over there where no one else has to put up with your shit
  Exercising your rights, I see.

Cute that you think she's go to anything resembling a normal prison and not a white collar cell where the worst she deals with it eating freeze dried food sometimes

- You get called out for shitty behavior that can negatively impact people, and are upset that carries consequences. That's not bullying fwiw
- You think pronouns are stupid? How do you feel about verbs, and adjectives?
- Yeah, freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism for what you choose to say. The government can't lock you up solely for saying things it doesn't like but other people also have freedom of speech and they are absolutely free to call you a shitcunt for being a shitcunt.
- keep your shit to yourself
  Like... my name?
  Or the bare-minimum stand-in for my name?
- Seriously living in the worst timeline.
  It really doesn't get any worse than people downvoting our posts or saying they don't agree with us when we post things on the Internet for other people to read. So much bullying! I say we should go back to the good old times when people who felt insulted, whether the insult was real or imagined, would challenge you for a duel at sunset in front of the saloon.
- Just use they/them. It's universally understood and was in use long before you ever knew about LGBTQ at all. It's really not hard. Whatever you think about gender or sex, this is a neutral acknowledgment that is a person. We can all at least agree on that.
As some say "freedom to swing your arms around ends where someone else's face begins"
Although that's maybe not such a good phrase after all, as swinging your arms around to intimidate is also not acceptable.
Yes, she is free to be a giant asshole with a persecution complex. And we are free to call her one.
What a worthless comment. "Your freedom of speech is protected so long as it hasn't been outlawed".
Who knew.
This is why people say that Europe doesn't have freedom of speech, because unlike the US there is nothing stopping legislature from simply banning any speech.

Some people are just ugly on the inside, deep down where it counts.

To be fair, she's ugly on the outside too....

He really does know how to keep yall pushing their SEO score higher

That makes her the second gigantic prominent shithead in as many days expressing that they're willing to go to prison for their beliefs. And also the second whom I wouldn't believe for even a millisecond that they're telling the truth.

What a shitbrick. I am glad I never got into her books in the first place. I saw the first movie and had no interest in seeing the others. I read half the first book to my daughter and she got bored with it, so we stopped. My wife got really into her and is disappointed neither of us are, but fuck her. I don't want to spend a dime on her.

Edit: Weird part- she's always been an atheist and she loved the Narnia books.

What is stopping an atheist of enjoying the Narnia Chronicles?
- They're basically one big Christian analogy. They're infinitely better written and more appropriate for children to have anything to do with than the bible, though.
- Why is it weird to be atheist and love the Narnia books?
  Is there a lot of religious stuff in them? I've never read them, I just thought it was alternate fantasy world stories.
I've never read the books, but I did enjoy the movies, and it's really disappointing. I have the DVDs, so I guess I could still watch those knowing it won't signal any continued demand the way streaming them would, but still.

Not all trans are like this...
Then why even bring it up?
We don't judge demographics by the actions of individuals. If we did, both cis men and cis women would be banned from every aspect of society.
But for trans women, it seems to be fair game to dig for crimes and then make this sort of two-faced statement where you are definitely saying that we should view trans women with suspicion, but won't come out and just be transphobic openly.
I get that its hyperbole. Its basically too much hyperbole though in my opinion. Its not worth that much to be respectful in conversation.
Also fuck you for that last part. "God damn all males are a danger, have you never heard of x serial killer" is how you sound.
Being a psychopath and being transgender are two completely different things.
Wow if one guy gets you all up in arms you are gonna lose it when you hear about the Catholic Church
Why won't everyone else align with my hateful views!
Yes, that's called being a TERF. And when anyone calls them out on it, someone goes "oh but they're standing up for all those poor women and girls." Gtfo.
That's some twisted reasoning by the judge. Children shouldn't get into a stranger's car regardless of their gender.
The notion that this girl would have acted differently to a man is ridiculous. Hopefully this is just bad journalism.

Enjoy jail then I guess. It's a pretty stupid hill to die on, especially when you're filthy rich and the conservatives already hate you over the whole witchcraft nonsense. I cannot fathom conservative doublethink.

Deal.

Was my exact reaction when I read this this morning before moving on.
She's just jealous Glinner's got a book out and she thinks she needs to raise her TERF game.

You poor thing
- Thank you, I feel better meow

what a weirdo lol

The twitter thread where they fantasise about being in prison reminds me of this meme:

Jesus. The second hand cringe on this one feels first hand.

Alice Caldwell-Kelly: "What can I say besides, inshallah?"

She always looks like a miserable cow. With her money you'd think she could crack a smile.

She's too bitter and twisted though.

PS. Never did like HP, all those twee names and what have you. The only good thing that came out of it was it got a whole bunch of kids reading.

She can do one though.

Didn't it write about a rigged election in the America harry potter series? It's a fucking joke. History well look on it's career in question of its existence.

Lock her up

How much time is she willing to do to avoid minding her own fucking business. I'm guessing it's a lot

She's an attention seeker honestly
- Basically all TERFs are whiny attention seekers
Her opinion on pronouns is her own business. The world is free to stop asking her about it.
- Please. She's CONSTANTLY on Twitter spouting her bullshit
- You made it into a discussion thread about the subject, so....

Let see how she fares after a year has passed in jail.

I'm all for social experiments on those unwilling to adapt to society.

I read "I'm all for imprisoning people who don't call me by the names I want them to."
That's a dangerous line of thinking, friend.

That’s cool, nobodies going to give in to her persecution fetish tho lmao.

Just stop being an asshole, nobody believe your “on the premise of freedom” arguments, it’s super simple.

They’re like that kid in grade school who calls the male teacher mrs. such and such and think it’s still hilarious

What even IS the importance of sex?

I don't see misogynistic posts, maybe they've been deleted or are too far down the comment trees?
Can you give me an example?

I'm sorry, you can go to prison for "using the wrong pronouns"? What dystopian hell hole do we live in?

It could be classed as a hate crime. Don't worry you ain't going to get jailed for accidentally using the wrong pronouns.
- I still think it's idiotic, and I say that as a trans person.