Not sure if I'm just old and bitter now or movies have gotten worse
Not sure if I'm just old and bitter now or movies have gotten worse
Not sure if memes are allowed here. Apologies if they aren't.
Not sure if I'm just old and bitter now or movies have gotten worse
Not sure if memes are allowed here. Apologies if they aren't.
This happens a lot with old movies.
A film comes out that's revolutionary, so every film after it copies it. Future eyes lack that context, so they just see something that looks like everything else they've seen.
Citizen Kane is a good example. The writing, editing, and cinematography were revolutionary at the time. But, through a modern lens, it appears very ordinary because it's very similar to every copycat that followed it.
It's not just you, my friend.
Among many movies, I felt that way about Killers of the Flower Moon and it literally took me to fall into a random convo with the girl who cleans my office at work before I found a like-minded individual.
That movie and The Irishman were piss, but everybody insists they are masterpieces because Scorsese made them. Scorsese is just like James Cameron and Fancis Ford Coppola where they have reached an age and are so accomplished that they have lost touch with the world and are surrounded by yes men who don't dare tell them no. And so they make very long and very shitty movies that are more for themselves than they are for anybody else. At least, Cameron is able to make his avatar slop entertaining while you're watching it even if it is forgettable af.
Killers of the Flower Moon was particularly infuriating for me because it was so clearly just Scorsese making yet another movie about white men who are shitty, while pushing the native Americans off to the wayside as supporting casts in the movie that was supposed to be about them.
I read the book too because people kept telling me my opinion was wrong and that this was a good movie that is very faithful to the book. Well, clearly every person who claimed this, did not read the book because the book very much stays with the native Americans and their perspective and the case is treated the way it normally would when you have a conspiracy/murder mystery. You get invested in this people, you fear for them and the revelations are horrible.
Scorsese was like: how about we make the movie entirely about the bad guys and we have no reveals ever because we are told exactly what and how things happen from the start and treat the native Americans like they are ignorant, brain dead idiots who fall for the easiest trick in the book? Yeah, let's do that. Let's make the natives stupid and naive and have the conmen be super obviously evil and gross too, to the point that we don't understand how any of these native Americans could have ever called them friend or family. Let's race swap the only nice white man in the movie too. He was native American in real life,, but for whatever reason they made him white in the movie. I still don't know why they did that. I thought this was supposed to be authentic to real life. We do not race swap historical figures. I thought we all agreed that it was dumb when they made Anne Boleyn black. It's also dumb when we make a native American man white in a movie about how white men committed systematic murders on native Americans to get their money.
Oh, let's also make the movie 4 hours long and throw a temper tantrum when cinemas around the world implement intermissions so that movie goers have a chance to pee and get refreshments. No no, this slop is ART and Scorsese-manchild wants you to sit through all 4 hours of his slop because it's his movie.
Piss movie. I hated it so much and nobody agreed with me until I spoke to my cleaning lady who completely understood where I was coming from.
The book is so much better. Such a well crafted blueprint for a suspenseful movie or TV show about a horrific chapter in native American history and how oil money attracts all the predators and vultures in the world to eat you and your family until nothing is left. Not even bone fragments.
But no. Scorsese cannot make movies from any other perspective than that of white men with corrupt souls so, sorry, native Americans. You gotta be supporting casts in your own friggin story.
Amazing. Piss movie. It riles me up everytime I think about it and it riles me up even more how much undeserved praise it recieved. Piss. Movie.
Scorsese thinks if you fire editors and shit out 3 hours of film it's an epic.
Thought it was good. I missed much of the hype before and after and went in blind.
I think your anger is directed more at your expectations of it (a.k.a the ad/hype machine) than the film itself
I didn’t follow the hype. All I knew about the movie before going into it was that Scorsese had rewritten the script because he realized he had made a movie about white men and forgotten the native Americans. To which I now ask: what the fuck was the script like before?
I’m glad that you liked it, but please don’t make assumptions about me disliking it because I supposedly fell for a hype train. That is not what happened.
it's the former, not the latter
To expand on that;
Y'all are seeing Survivors Bias / Rose Tinted Glasses in action
The bad movies of the less recent past are forgotten or lost to time, even the over hyped ones.
But we're living in the present, so the bad and over hyped of the recent past is still fresh in our minds, and that paints out perception of "they made better movies in the past"
There was the same or more bad shite, just everyone forgets about it
I couldn't stand Ready Player One. Yeah I said it.
Well yeah, it's shit, but that's beside the point I made.
It's nostalgiabait made by a Redditor for Redditors, and so of course that gave it undeserved hype, when it's well and truly shite.
KPop Demon Hunters came out this year.
It sounds like a cheesy kids' movie. It even kinda looks like one. Or, at least, before it got super popular when everybody realised "hey, this movie is actually really good" and started playing the soundtrack nonstop between viewings. And not just little kids, middle-aged people like it, too. I've been watching and loving movies for about 40 years, and I remember seeing Mortal Kombat (1995) in theaters, and being just floored by that opening. Cheesy yes, but techno music with sound bytes from the game (the Super NES/Genesis game!) while flames roasted the dragon logo? Movie intros usually aren't that cool. Movies aren't meant to be a thrill ride. They play the long con. KPop Demon Hunters was the first one in a long time (I guess 30 years) that gave me the same feeling. I felt it when the first song hit. Then the scenes with the light flashing in the plane windows. I knew I was in for one hell of a ride. I've seen it four or five times now, and it doesn't get old. It may not be good like a Scorcese or Tarantino movie, but it's fun, and that's good. It's more fun than all the recent-ish Star Wars movies. I remember when those were fun. Someone lost the memo.
Movies don't have to be good if they're fun. A lot of people liked Minecraft, Five Nights at Freddy's, The Emoji Movie... I haven't seen any of them. But KPop Demon Hunters looked pretty stupid, too, until I gave it a chance. If a movie makes you forget about the bad shit in the world for a couple hours, it's done its job. Let's stop asking much more than that from movies. Sure, I have a niche I absolutely love (smart/weird flicks like I Origins, Predestination, Donnie Darko... even if they're pseudo-intellectual, if I can dig into it, I love that shit) but a fun dumb movie is cool in my books.
If a movie makes you forget about the bad shit in the world for a couple hours, it’s done its job. Let’s stop asking much more than that from movies.
Never underestimate entertainment value. All art is also always part entertainment. Never forget that.
Well shit. I might just have to watch Kpop hunters. I kept seeing it but I didn't care enough to look into it.
I know the exact feeling with watching Mortal Kombat because I watched it in the theaters and thought it was great.
"Your soul is mine.". Cutt to techno music 🎵🎶🎵🎵🎶
Kpop Demon Hunters initially looks like a girlie movie that was shoehorned into being an action flick.
It's a drama, interspersed with enough comedy and action to make you forget that it's a drama. The story isn't anything special, but it has well-done emotional beats backed by a soundtrack that elevates it. It is absolutely worth watching. (And the animation is fantastic.)
Don't go into it expecting a cinematic masterpiece; it's made for kids. It is also, however, a kid's movie that is intended to entertain the adults who take their kids to see it.
I watched it with my wife. I can see how it became popular, especially the music, but it's not for me. I didn't like the movie due to the music.
The animation, however... I'm honestly excited for the sequel JUST for the animation!
Choose your might
See, I find, that "critically acclaimed" and "popular" usually don't go well together. However, something with just critical acclaim from people I like (and sometimes a Criterion release) tends to be some of the most amazing things I've ever witnessed.
But to the meme's point, Tarkovsky's Solaris was boring, and hard to understand for me, so much so I didn't ever finish it. I'll have to try again maybe from a different perspective.
Read the book. Seriously, Lem's depictions of all things alien are orders of magnitude better than any movie - even modern CGI - can be. (I watched the Tarkovsky movie after reading the book and wasn't impressed either)
I actually enjoyed Solaris a ton for its pacing. It’s controversial understandably, but it felt like the story was moving at a real world pace, rather than the modern approach of one moment of action to the next.
It’s a slow burn, for sure and I wouldn’t say it’s for everyone.
I had a really hard time getting through Solaris, but the ending with the rain is burned into my soul. Sometimes the slog is important in order to feel the meaning.
Spielberg's A.I. Artificial Intelligence.
Mostly I just wondered why the movie was made in the first place. Sure, examining the tragedy of creating an intelligent being that cannot mature and cannot let go of emotional attachments by design is interesting... but the meandering, pointless story had like three places it could have ended and just ..... didn't, finally topping it off with a 'bittersweet' ending that seemingly had no purpose besides to give some catharsis to the audience despite being so out of left field that it had no relation to the rest of the story. It could have been an art book showing off the scenery instead of bothering to throw an aimlessly wandering robot child into it.
I still like the movie although it is definitely a movie I have to be in a mood for. However, after I watch the ending I realize I want the future people and technology to be a movie.
It wpuld be more interesting to reimagine the film as future archeologists discovering this story but maybe not getting it exactly right based only on artifacts. More like short stories being told through the film. It would have had the same message, characters and locations, but would have been more focused as the stories they showed would have had to be ultra relevant to the plot. Not sure if any of this makes sense.
Why are you booing me I'm right
I always mix that one up with The Illusionist Dx
This was Everything Everywhere All At Once for me. Normally I'm pretty easy to please but this one fell completely flat
I liked the movie, but people sold it as this incredibly weird and awesome masterpiece. I think my expectations were just way too high.
To be fair, part of the premise of that movie is to immerse yourself in absurd ideas in parallel universes... for reasons. So it's not surprising that it gets confusing.
See, I didn’t hate it because it was confusing, I hated it because it felt boring and cringy. Once you get over the initial genre hopping whiplash, it’s just more generic action tropes and multiverse nonsense that had already been done to death by the time that movie came out. At the insistence of the people I was watching with, I admittedly didn’t make it past the expository bagel scene, but once I got the pulse that it was a slice-of-life drama and John Wick thrown in a blender with Rick and Morty, I didn’t mind turning it off, and I usually hate not finishing movies.
It's not confusing at all, it's one of the most straightforward and easy to follow plots imo. Would definitely satisfy the "second screen" requirements of most at-home streaming audiences lol
Honestly, maybe that's the real reason it became so popular. Even a child could keep up with it.
OH MY GOD, THANK YOU.
It's not that I don't like the film, quite the contrary.
I just can't stand that people compare the shit to The Godfather. My impression of these viewers is they walked out of the theater going "I haven't cried that hard since Endgame!!"
It's really, really not that deep. It was fine for what it was, well produced and rather entertaining. But it's a far cry from Citizen Kane or Memento lol
Yeah it’s a comedy about relationships. Pass the popcorn.
This is me with most Tarantino films. I watched Pulp Fiction and have no idea what actually happened in that movie.
That sounds like a you problem. It's really not hard to follow.
I find many of his movies enjoyable, but they definitely is a required taste. The last Tarantino movie I saw was the hateful 8 and I hated that movie so much, so I get where you're coming from. Haven't watched his movie about Hollywood because I cannot bring myself to care about Hollywood people making movies about life in Hollywood. The only Hollywood director who could get away with that was David Lynch, but he also had so much more to say and his Hollywood-focused films were so much deeper than the typical navel gazing bullshit in that specific niche genre. Under the Silver Lake is a movie I wish I could unsee. Ironically another film that people seem to love, but where I'm just over here like: okay Hollywood, don't gas yourself to death with all that farthuffing.
Really? I understand not liking it, taste is personal and his movies are quirky to say the least... but not understanding the plot? were you on your phone all movie (my wife does this and then complains she got lost). I ask because the plot of pulp fiction could be written in half a page, the only thing complex about it is that it is shown async
Nothing much, really, at the end of the day.
Guy gets a watch.
I'll try to be generous to your meme but it's hard. I'll say I used to be like that, part of the majority who thought going to a movie meant it needed to have action, a superhero, or magic. It gets tiring and repetitive though.
A recent example was train dreams. Me 10 years ago would have called it a snore fest. Now? I have much more respect for movies and it ripped me up inside. So this meme is very subjective on the individual
Same. If I see people complaining about a movie being slow and boring 9/10 times I’ll love it
For me, there's 3 reasons to watch movies. 1 is to kill time because I'm bored while being too tired to do anything that requires real attention. That's mostly been replaced by YouTube. The second is because I want to experience a good piece of art. And the third is for a fun experience.
If I'm going to a theater, it's gonna he for a big, splash film with gorgeous visuals. I ain't paying 15-20 dollars a person for a slow, contemplative film I could enjoy at home.
At the same time, when I'm by myself at home, I'm not really into the flashy stuff, because fun is something to share with friends and family. So that's when I watch the deeper stuff.
Same, if I'm spending my time I need more than the predictable super hero plot, I want something with character and heart. It's hard to find but it is out there.
For theaters there are smaller indie ones that do play big titles. Search out your local area to find what may be around you. Those are the ones worth giving your money to. I just won't go to AMC or Cinemark anymore on my own because of how low quality it is
Train Dreams was awesome
"damn kids get out my lawn"
For me it's Gravity (the one with Sandra Bullock crying in space) and the last two Nolan Batman films. I just don't understand why people like them so much.
Nah man, see... you didn't watch it right.
First time I saw Gravity I was high as fuck on edibles and watched it on 42" plasma screen.
Shit was like the best 90 minute theme park ride of my life lmao
Also, the part where
blew my goddamn mind ahaha
I watched it on my 120" 3D projector (while also high as fuck) and still hated the film.
Weed and a giant screen couldn't save that shitshow of a film.
Are you including the dark knight there? I though that was the best of the three.
See this is what I'm saying. Everyone praises Dark Knight, so I went in all excited to see what the hype was about, only to leave the film thinking "this is it"?
It's not a bad movie, per se; I think the problem is that the hype had set my expectations sky high, and I don't think it could ever live up to expectations, no matter how good it was. But honestly just about every scene that didn't have Heath Ledger in it had me falling asleep on the couch. The cinematography was good (especially the IMAX shots) but I just wasn't interested in the plot.
2 is the best of the trilogy. 1 was just OK and 3 had its moments but failed to capture the spirit of 1 and 2.
“Death by exile” was pretty funny though.
I'm here with the nolan movies, but i thought the first one was the weakest of them. And by weak i mean it was pretty ass.
lol Batman Begins is the only one of the three I like
It's my opinion on Citizen Kane, and I'll die on that hill. It's just... fine. Nothing extra.
I can understand that I could have been something novel and groundbreaking back then, but calling it the best movie ever made in our time is just beyond me.
I watched "Hugo" because it was so critically acclaimed. It had all the awards. Critics loved it.....
Most boring, pretentious, film-school self-masturbatory slog I've ever watched.
The plot was either boring or incoherent. There a boy in a train station? And now there's a steampunk robot who... draws movies or something? And some old dude in a shitty apartment has a bunch of obscure history films? What tf are we doing? And the robot is magic now?
The only reason it got high marks is so every critic to wax themselves about how bigbrain cultured they are. The totally got all the niche nods/ode/references and it totally justified their bullshit college degrees.....
You watched a children's adventure comedy movie and surprised it's a but nonsensical? Unless the critics sold it as something it's not, I think this one is in you 😄
I saw bits when a flatmate watched it and it was not being treated like a movie aimed at children. Looked dull as dishwater.
Looking at you, Mulholland Drive
Noooooough how could youuuuuu? XD It’s okay, it’s not for everyone. Personally it is one of my all time favorite movies, but I 1000% understand how and why some people think it’s some weird bs.
It was a lot gayer than I thought it'd be.
really liked it but literally said "what the fuck" when it ended
Brokeback Mountain
The recent adaptation of Dickens with Will Ferrell and Ryan Reynolds. Interesting, but they could've cut about 30% of the singing. It got to be repetitive, and it's not like I dislike musicals.
There are many, but I tend to automatically forget them - I'm not wasting space in my brain for that crap.
Now, of course, you're going to tell me why I'm wrong about these movies. Save it.
Gone Girl. Most boring, predictable, lazy ass movie. The Postman is by far the worst movie I’ve ever seen. Tootsie, I can’t imagine a more problematic way to make a movie. One Battle After Another was good, but nowhere near good enough to win any awards which it definitely will win.
I love The Postman. It's not an amazing film but it has its own identity and I really appreciate that.
I liked One Battle After Another but it’s definitely a kid-tier PTA. I watched it pretty shortly after Magnolia, There Will Be Blood, and Punch-Drunk Love, though… so the bar was very high. Magnolia was so much better than I expected, it was amazing.
I liked that sci-fi movie where they poked a rocket at the moon. After that it all went downhill.
Seriously, your meme is too broad. Always happy to complain about something specific though.
Fun fact: there's a recently-ish restored copy of ‘Le voyage dans la lune’ that was hand-colored way back in the day. And the band Air made a soundtrack for it. It was on YouTube, but apparently gotten copyright-struck by someone, and the viewer is advised to be wary of the multitude of AI colorations when looking for a new upload.
A few of my friends recommended Eraserhead. It felt like David Lynch was seeing what he could get away with.
I absolutely love David Lynch, but Eraserhead is not the first, second nor third Lynch movie I would put on at any given time. I love the radiator girl segment in the film. The rest is forgettable.
I'm more of a Mulholland Drive fangirl. It is one of the best movies ever made in my humble opinion.
Someone also mentioned Elephant Man which is likewise a stellar movie.
Eraserhead isn’t a movie to be enjoyed, it’s a movie to be regretted, for the rest of your life….
fun fact: that’s a real horse embryo
Another fun fact: it was based on Lynch's feelings of becoming a father to a baby with deformed feet. His daughter's feet are ok now, they have a good relationship and she became a film director too!
Yooooooooooooooo, I have been saying this shit for years.
I hate that movie so goddamned much and the recommendation felt like a friend group initiation prank hahaha
Frankenstein was pretty damn good imo.
It was, and that is one of the worst movies I've seen from Guillermo Del Toro IMO. If you enjoyed his adaptation of Frankenstein, you're doing yourself a disservice if you haven't seen Pan's Labyrinth or The Devil's Backbone. Depends on if you're okay watching subtitled, though.
Or motherfucking Pacific Rim. That movie is literally just "big robot go boom" and it's fuckin awesome.
Crimson Peak was pretty meh imo. The visuals were interesting, and I liked the designs of the ghosts.
I haven't watched Frankenstein yet but I want to. Stupid Netflix.
Don't forget Pinocchio. In my opinion, that is the best Del Toro movie. Practically flawless and it is a crime that Netflix didnt put it in cinemas and that they refuse to put it on DVD or bluray. Fuck them for real.
I'll admit I haven't seen Pan's yet and I will be watching it this Friday after remembering about it. My first child was born in 2019 which is probably why it fell off my list.
I really enjoyed his adaption of Pinocchio a couple years ago.
I did watch Chronos yesterday for the first time, and while it's quite dated now the overall premise and story still stands out to some degree.
I thought the cgi was pretty lackluster for a 2014 movie. Looked like a ps2 cutscene at times. But I still enjoyed it. The werewolves were hot.
Not sure if joke or just missing the 2025 Del Toro version that came out on Netflix...
I think this short video may blow your mind then - https://youtu.be/ezncotSdXDQ.
The Creature actor also took 10-12 hours in makeup each day for shooting. https://youtu.be/Z1zX34F5jvs
Our breakfast television has a movie critic straight out of the feuilleton. Any movie that people actually go to is automatically bad, and there is not enough praise for art house films that makes people fall asleep in the cinema and never even make it to TV or streaming.
Sounds like the time Ebert of Siskel & Ebert gave Twister a thumbs down because "it had no plot."
But were they wrong?
I feel this way about Synecdoche, New York, with the caveat that I understand it but just think it's hot garbage.
I recently watched it for the first time and loved it. The disjointed flow of it worked for me as a mechanism to immerse in an experience of a person's life. Like a speedrun. The themes - including never really launching into life, seeking to but never really connecting with others except post-facto, struggling to understand and metabolize losses, breaching out of the self - all resonated with me so that helped.
I watched a trailer that seemed to pitch it as an absurd comedy, which on reflection is an extremely weird approach.
The themes made sense to me, I just had no desire to endure the repeated misery and alienation of it. I mean, it's definitely art, I simply find it very ugly. It can be ugly on purpose all it likes, I still find it repulsive.
I've got very little time for Charlie Kaufman. I quite liked Eternal Sunshine, but I generally find his stuff pretentious and get a vibe of smugness. That might be unfair -- I guess I'm just not the target audience.
Adaptation is great imo
I think his films are just very specific in taste. If you fall into his specific target demographoc the movie is amazing. But it can also depend on the day or it depends strongly on things one has heard about it beforehand. When I first watched Eternal Sunshine I was incredibly awake. There were so many things and strange details that didn't make sense that my brain was working hard to make sense of it. Later everything clicked and fell into place in an awesome way. I absolutely loved it.
But I know so many people who didn't like it one bit.
His other movies are also that way. My other favourite: Adaptation. I didn't like the Netflix one. Or didn't understand it or didn't care. Don't know.
Yeah I can always complain about something specific. I think this one was mentioned as "must see cult classic", so I watched it a bit but just couldn't go through. Something about large factory halls filled with people?
It's post modern, something The Simpsons summed up as "weird for the sake of weird". It's a smidge more complex than that but all I can say it left me with was a deep-seated annoyance at its pretentious existence.
See it's because most movie critics are bitter old white men, and I'm not
If you wanna watch movies that actually feel like art just watch sexploitation films (whats funny is they are less perverted than most modern pg 13 films) Apparently sexploitation means exploiting the audience by using sex to grab their attention, so like game of thrones, shameless, outlander, even modern family, etc. lol. I always thought it meant the actors got abused or some sht, but they're still alive and that doesn't seem to be the case for the most part.
A lot of them are surreal af and feel like time capsules. Plots super basic, barely any characters, but the scenery is sometimes amazing, like every place they film I want to visit. They are weirdly memorable for their scenes while I could not tell you a single movies name. I think the horniest one ive seen is no where near as horny as modern movies/television that aren't framed as sexploitive.
Hey now, Crash came out like twenty years ago.
I watch very few movies but when I do, my opinon of it generally the opposite of the critic's review on Rotten Tomatoes.
II hate bitching about RT scores but some of them are just staggering to me.
28 years later is one of the worst movies I have ever seen and it is highly rated on RT.
IMDB's aren't better. I had noticed at least one movie that had pretty bad ratings despite being pretty good - the only movie adaptation of a Carl Hiaasen novel, which does the novel full justice imho. I guess the haters were disappointed Demi Moore fans?
And it's usually pretty predictable what sort of stuff gets the really high ratings; anything from 8.0 upwards has to be filtered for fandom.
This was me with "One Battle after another", it was not incomprehensible rather the opposite, it was very simple. Don't get me wrong I don't think the movie is bad or anything but for such hype created I was expecting it to be a bit more revolutionary. It also doesn't help that you need to watch DeCaprio shouting Viva la revolución
I really like Bugonia, Code 3 and Roofman from the recent movies I watched. Bugonia is a little confusing but it's still easy to get it's message. The other two are quite simple but the opposite of boring.
How was Bugonia confusing in any way?
The end is a a lot to take in. Don't you think? I've also seen a lot of people misunderstand the movie so I cane to that conclusion.
Not sure if memes are allowed here. Apologies if they aren’t.
We allow memes occasionally. Tagged post under "Humor".
Tagged post under "Humor".
That's pretty generous
I've realised that over time, a lot of my favourite films or ones that I enjoy and basically mainstream blockbusters.
I try to broaden my horizons but quite often, I find these amazing acclaimed films boring.
It's not quite the same but I was amazed when I got the Criterion edition of Armageddon. All these bonus features about a great blockbuster film.
So imagine my disappointment when every other release from Criterion is a film I'll probably never watch in the first place.
Example, I took a chance on Brazil because I was in a bit of a Terry Gilliam phase. I quite enjoyed that one. Then I tried Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. That DVD never got a second play.
They've gotten worse
Recently I went on IMDB and created a list of highly fan rated movies from the past 2 years. So far they have been hard to watch.
IMDb has a ‘top 250’, not sure why you needed to create anything yourself.
The Brutalist. Sorry, I just didn't get it.
Fun fact: it was written and directed by one of the baby faced murderers in the American version of Funny Games. I really liked The Brutalist, but I don’t blame you for not vibing with it. If you want to, can I ask you what about it you didn’t like/get? I’m just curious to hear your perspective! 🤗
This was me about Skinamarink this week. Felt like a film student's final project
Bird man and the whale come to mind