Can a Republican explain this to me?
Can a Republican explain this to me?
Bonus points if you can explain it without racism
Can a Republican explain this to me?
Bonus points if you can explain it without racism
explain it without racism
My dude you're asking Republicans to never even open their mouths or type out a word ever again.
Its like telling people to do math without numbers, letters or standard notations
You forgor to be racist 💀
Ironically, the destruction of the twin towers were good days for Rudy.
Perl Harbor and Nazi germany: USA you forgot to shoot nazis, fashists and imperialists (yes eventhough you are it yourself)
It breaks my heart that Giuliani is still alive, I figured his hair dye would have dripped and drained right into his bloodstream! Haha!
I'm not a Republican. I like Mamdani,I would have voted for him if I were living in NYC. I don't actually think this tweet on Xitter is inherently racist.
Most people believe 9/11 was caused by radical Muslim jihadists hijacking planes and slamming them into buildings. Radical Muslim jihad still exists. It is not like there are zero radical Muslims out there who want to destroy Western society, subjugate women, kill all homosexuals, kill all atheists, and institute Sharia law. That is not actually a made up trope of the greedy right to suppress the lower classes, that is in fact reality. There are still women not allowed to learn math in some some countries.
The fear Gulianai has, which I do not think is irrational to consider, is that by voting for a liberal Muslim, it's going to lead to policies that make it easier for radical jihadists to take root in America, that somehow a liberal Muslim mayor may embolden radical Muslims with extremist views or make it easier for radicals to take root within more insular Muslim communities in NYC, even if it's just a result of a cultural shift in which people do not fear radical jihadists. (This is not my opinion of what will happen!) I do not believe this view is inherently racist or Islamaphobic. I don't think it's wrong to have conversations about this, as long as it's done while realizing that many NYC Muslims are incredibly nice good people who support women's education, LGBT+ rights, and liberal values.
It would also be understandable if someone viewed this xitter post as Islamaphobic and racist and disagreed.
Mamdani is the political polar opposite of radical jihadists. Radical jihadists are regressive. Mamdani is incredibly progressive. Radical jihadists have far more in common with Donald Trump than they do with Zohran Mamdani. Bernie Sanders has very similar policies to Mamdani, yet no one has ever claimed his policies would "make it easier for radical jihadists to take root in America"
The only thing jihadists have in common with Mamdani is generally skin color and that they're Muslim
Put whatever label you want on it, but this perception that you, Giuliani, and others push is based on nothing other than his skin color and religion
If a liberal white Christian got elected, and more Christians felt comfortable living in an area, and as a result some people were concerned there could be more extremist groups like Proud Boys or MAGA, I don't think it would be an irrational fear. You are assuming that I think a liberal has a lot in common with a radical. Instead, I think radicals may feel more comfortable when someone of their own race or religion is in charge, even if that person is radically politically different.
Also, I didn't publish that tweet, I'm a liberal, I am just trying to explain his views. There are also other views of Republicans that I disagree with that I don't think are inherently irrational to just discuss, even if the viewpoint is not correct. For example, I am pro-choice when it comes to abortion, but I don't think it's irrational for Republicans to merely discuss whether abortion could involve fetal pain that is cruel.
The fear Gulianai has, which I do not think is irrational to consider, is that by voting for a liberal Muslim, it’s going to lead to policies that make it easier for radical jihadists to take root in America, that somehow a liberal Muslim mayor may embolden radical Muslims with extremist views or make it easier for radicals to take root within more insular Muslim communities in NYC
This is absolutely irrational and islamophobic lol what the actual fuck are you talking about
When two persons/groups choose to use the same label, it becomes harder for anyone external to differentiate them easily.
Calling the people that confuse the two as "irrational" and bigoted isn't going to clarify anything, and will likely cause them to assume you are not allied with them.
Dismissing people who have concerns that those confusions might be used by bad actors is just gross naivete.
But, certainly, restricting the political power (or human rights) of a particular based on their chosen labels--even if those labels are confusing--when they espouse tolerant views and act in tolerant ways IS bigoted.
The closest analog I can some up with is "Catholic". If you just use that label, I think I am justified in assuming you do not value bodily autonomy (particular of women), and are therefore not a tolerant member of society. I'd certainly welcome a "Catholic" that makes it clear they reject intolerant Catholic dogma, but the existence of tolerant "Catholic"s does make it easier for intolerant Catholics to acquire and use political power. Of course, "Muslim" and "Islam" don't come with quite as formal an organization or consistent a dogma, so it's even more confusing.
Restricting the political power (ability to run in, and win elections) of someone because they are Muslim is Islamophobic. So, I'd say this tweet is Islamophobic, since it seems to be advocating for that action.
I understand the fear of violence from people that justify their violence in religion, particularly (but not exclusively) Islam. But, we have to be very careful with restricting political power based on mere label-sharing.
It's a good point.
Senility.
Giuliani became loved because a terrorist attack. Thats it. Thats his claim to fame. Had he not been mayor during this time he would have faded into death and nothingness. Now his legacy is even more tainted because trump sold him out.
In my opinion, had mamdani been mayor in 2000 i believe 9/11 would have never happened/s
New mayor is Muslim. Rudy saying they forgot....
Giuliani reminding everyone he still exists.
Huh so he already looked like a walking mummy even back then?
explain it without racism
Unreasonable demands, bro.
I mean, OP did leave religious bigotry on the table, so it's not like they rug-pulled the Republicans entire platform.
Zohran Mamdani plans to do 9/11: Part 2 by giving terrorists access to the bus and train system free of charge and allowing far left antifa to live in rent controlled units with neighborhood public grocery stores.
Why would they need that? Antifa already live rent free in their heads.
Muslim=Terrorist... that's what he means
It's racism from a septuagenarian that should be currently dying in a state prison.
Whomever explains it shows the racism in the post.
For those who don't get the symbolism, because hes Muslim, they are being racist and saying hes the same as the 9/11 terrorists
While at the same time taking bookings from those running the country that committed the actual terrorism ...
NY forgot Rudy Gouliani was still alive and was relevant once. Hopefully he's dead soon and we can finally forget that spray on hair dripper.
What’s so bizarre is that on the actual day of 9/11 he was pretty great at promoting stability and calm in the midst of chaos. I remember watching him and thinking, well, he’s doing pretty good for . . everything. Really. It’s hard to imagine.
And then, slowly at first, then almost overnight he became the arrogant idiot fascist licking drunk we all wish was in prison.
Mental capacity only declines after your 40's. Rudy has had 20 years of decay and syphilis eating his brain away.
The biggest contributor to the US downfall has been having such elderly representation, these dinosaurs barely know where they are much less what they're voting on.
They only know what their billionaire handlers tell them and their own families are more than happy to wheel their dying asses around to milk every last drop out of them.
He was also the guy who moved the terrorism response center to right next to the towers despite the towers already having been the target of terrorism and against the advice of advisors.
What the fuck are you talking about, it was like 3 days after the incident he said he needs to be mayor forever... or some shit like that. Power hungry piece of slime.
New York forgor 💀
o no
I'm not Republican but I can - technically - explain it without racism. The word Muslim can mean adherents of Islam and it can also mean a specific ethnic group from what used to be Yugoslavia. Being anti-Islam would make you anti-Muslim (the religion) but not anti-Muslim (the ethnic group) although most ethnic Muslims are also religious Muslims.
The attack on the world trade center was carried out by an extremist Islamic group. If you subscribe to a broad scope of hate, then you would blame all Muslims (religion) for the attack. Zohran Mamdani is Muslim (religion) but not Muslim (ethnicity). If you hate him because of his religion, that by itself is not racism.
I would except that a Venn diagram of people who hate Mamdani because of his religion and people who hate him for racist reasons is virtually a circle, but there is room for a non-racist explanation of this propaganda.
drawing this differentiation while the same ppl who definitely arent racist against muslims claim criticism of israel is antisemitism is pointless tho
That feels like a different but related topic.
"I don't hate this ethnic group, just the religion with which they are strongly associated."
and
"You can't hate that country, that's the same as hating this ethnic group with which it is strongly associated."
sure do feel like the same idea. Hypocrisy is one of the most difficult beasts to slay within yourself. It doesn't seem like racists are really worried about that, though. To start from a foundation of thinking one ethnic group is superior to another, you have to be comfortable accepting arguments from emotion. There's no way to logic someone - even yourself - out of a position that they didn't arrive at by logic in the first place.
Buddy we forgot a long time ago. Trump pals around with the people who were actually responsible for it all the time, they gave him some stupid orb and his son in law billions of dollars. I guess that doesn't matter though.
I would say MAGA forgot...but not about 9/11. They forgot about what US veterans fought for in WW2. That's where the phrase "never forget" originally came from.
Remembered to vote though
If you're still in line, stay in line.
Cuomo can still win this
Oh it does? Break harder asshole.
Uh, Rudy Giuliani is also, like Trump, seriously physically ill, has pudding for brains, and while he's not a convicted felon yet, there's a good chance he'll actually die during the legal proceedings.
He is... probably the most disgraced former mayor of New York City ... in... history?
Yeah, he's a clown person making angry clown noises as the light slowly fades.
I have another question. As a non-American old enough to remember 9/11, the press in my country portrayed him at that time as a true leader for the city and its people. The next thing I heard from him was that weird press conference with the hair dye and all.
The question is, was his role during 9/11 really positive and time went crazy , or was it always like this and the press lied/got wrong about the situation?
That was hair dye? I thought that was just the evil leaking out.
He is... probably the most disgraced former mayor of New York City ... in... history
Worse than mayor Wood who wanted to secede at the start of the civil war?
Ok maybe . . .
o no i forgor 💀
republican
Pretty sure we bullied most of them off of lemmy
I'd tell you, but I forgot 🤷
Many voters weren't even born yet when the towers fell.
Motherfucker, you forgot! Go back to your hole.
This isn't about race in the pseudo biological sense but about culture and ethnicity so it's technically not racism (at least not in its original sense, only in its modern sense).
Checkmate atheist
Some kind of resurrection of ancient evil. See how the guy is coming out of the top of the tower on the right? The ritual is complete. You forgot the evil that was locked away inside the two towers.
No. They cannot
...bad taste, but hey. trump...
The politicians forgot to pay the medical bills for the first responders that got exposed to the toxic debris. That's all I remember
I remember they were in charge of the FBI and CIA and TSA and none of them saw it coming.