I just learned what the hell a Groyper is

If anyone's feeling pretty hopeless about finding this out for the first time, I recommend this documentary about the cartoon frog's creator suing Alex Jones and trying to take back his ownership over Pepe from the white power weirdos. It's very uplifting and the artist is a pretty likable guy.

I instantly dislike the guy.
- Probably had to do with the country copyright laws :/ I had personal videos blocked because they used music that in over country was free to use and in others wasn’t… or maybe he hates you in particular 🤷‍♀️
- Check if any invidious instance can play it, or NewPipe/PipePipe on android
- Dang I didn't know users did that on YouTube. I guess I can't say I blame you, it's a shitty thing to do

I KNOW RIGHT???

And people were like "oh the killer carved UWU what's this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that's common in Groyper circles"

Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean????
I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I'm just like dude, our lizard brains can't handle the internet. We just weren't wired to work like this, there's no way

I really, truly, with all of my being, feel that we are reaching the end limits of what the human mind is currently able to contend with. We are so overstimulated it's insane. We literally need to evolve our physical bodies as a species to continue living as we are or we will literally die.
- There is no limit. Things are really really bad? They can always get worse. Rock bottom is a flawed analogy.
- Sorry man, but it's going to get worse before it gets better.
  And I have no idea if it's ever getting better
I saw someone who described the murder as a shitpost and that scarily makes sense.
- The world's first shitpost murder. Insane.
I'm a grown-ass, nearly 40 year-old family man, and I fucking know what "uwu" is. These idiots think they're "exposing the conspiracy", when in reality anyone who has spent more than 4 seconds researching any meme would immediately recognize it.
- It wasn't even "uwu" meme
  It was the "OwO what's this?" Meme. Which makes it even weirder/funnier/messed up
- It's this face. Like :) is a smile and xD is supposed to be somebody laughing so hard their eyes have squinted shut.
  owo is the same face, but the eyes are open.
  Edit: I have misread. You do understand it lmao
seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles
My favorite thing is the neonazis wearing pleated khakis. Like, the only item of clothing even nerdier than that is lederhosen.
- My nephew is being sent to an evangelical school whose uniform is khakis and a choice of a red or blue polo shirt. Want to guess which color is social suicide?
  Im no longer talking to that part of my family.
- If this is gonna be a One Piece pirate flag kinda future, does that mean we can wear sailor slops?

I learned about the Groyper wars recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

Targeting Charlie Kirk
What the fuck?! Seems pretty relevant to look into re: the past week but no let’s blame it on leftists
- It is very relevant yeah. They hated Kirk, and it very well may be that the shooter was a groyper
- Fuentes himself was almost murdered last December by a guy who killed three other people and two dogs that day and ended up getting killed by the police. He went there specifically for Fuentes but I don't think it was some foot soldier following orders. No idea if the guy was on the left but I kinda don't really think he was.
Even though it is a well written, informative and comprehensive article, I still feel like I am losing braincells reading it. It is so incredibly stupid what some humans stoop to.
- Same. At one point I found myself skimming words without taking them in and I had to stop.
  I did learn one important thing from all of this though - there are more fractures and divisions among the far right than there appears. Ever-smaller factions fighting amongst each other is better than one coherent group fighting the rest of us.
Thanks. Also interesting to read about the origin of Pepe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog

My one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that's always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.

Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking "with or without gang violence?"

Just when I thought it couldn't get any more ironic
Wasn't he saying something about "gang violence" literally the moment he got shot?
- His literal last words before being shot were answering the question of if he knew how many shootings there have been in the past 10 years (after blaming them on trans people one question before) with, "With or without gang violence?" Not even a second later he had a fountain of blood spurting from his neck.
Yes you can. But nobody else will, especially not those in power, because we live in an extremely racist "culture."
- Of course they won't, but you can rage bait conservatives super hard with it by twisting every racist thing they say about black people being gang-bangers back on them.

I didn't even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.

I only knew Nick Fuentes as "That guy who tried to sue Antifa" and later "The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024"

Apparently there's controversy about him not "really" being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly.... and I'm like...

"This is too much even for me."

I didn't even know about Charlie Kirk until Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper. I knew there was some rightwing crank being mocked for having a tiny face on a huge head, but that was it. My main reaction after the shooting was "damn, that really is a tiny face".
- Lol exactly the same here
- He was the splitting image of the default Mii character.
- They had to go for the neck because the face was too small a target.
- I only learned about him when I was still on Reddit via people posting quotes on the 'whitepeopletwitter' subreddit. Between him, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh being constantly posted there, I damn near lost my mind at the sheer combined idiocy of them all and had to unsub.
Wait'll you hear about that time Fuentes accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn. Or his date with a catboy!
- Go on
I know him as "that MAGA loser who's a fiercly proud incel and got caught with tabs of gay porn open on a stream".
But to be honest I thought he had completely vanished into insignificance over the last 5 years. Sadly this appears incorrect.
- That would be volcel not incel. Can't be involuntary if you want it.

From what I'm gathering, it seems like one group is more "traditionally" American racism... And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?

Either way, they're racists and not worth the oxygen they're consuming.

Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I'd hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.

The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don't necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would... I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.

... Not that I'm complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself..... I'm just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that's an absolute win IMO.

Edgelords that treat their racism and violence as fuel for shitposts
vs.
Traditional "Brick and mortar and nooses" racists
- Potato, potato.
Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can't really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.
- I generally hate people. I don't want to be authoritative over anyone. I don't want the responsibility.

So the one thing about fascism, especially in its late stages, is that it tends to eat itself alive. When they run out of enemies, they create enemies.

late stage
You are far more optimistic than I, my friend.
- I mean the government isn't necessarily late stage but if the fascists are fighting over who's the biggest fascist that means shit's up.
While I agree fascist tend to indulge in self harm via factionalism, I don't think this is really that, nor is it late stage. We're approaching the stage where the fascist shed their traditional conservative mask and start enforcing their real ideology over the traditional conservative party.
People forget that 4 years before the Nazi started their purge on greater German society during Kristallnacht they first purged and consolidated power in their own house during the night of the long knives.
- This is it.
  The "true believers" in neoliberal conservative values are useful to make the rightward march to increasingly reactionary politics seem proper and reasonable to anyone who isn't paying attention.
  But when shit is about to go down those same talking heads are a liability if they aren't cool with barely contained barbarism.

I did not learn what they were recently, because unfortunately I was raised on 4chan. Once you have a certain part of your brain plugged into that shithole website, certain bits of information will just make themselves available to you through the ether. You absorb information by osmosis (Jones). I wish I couldn't. Skin me alive.

It's like gaining eldritch knowledge. It unlocks certain aspects of reality unseen before now, at the cost of some of your sanity, driving you mad with understanding. And everyone around you thinks you've lost your mind
- Fuck, that is the most apt explanation, thank you.
  We lost our innocence forever.
- and just like with Eldrich knowledge you either hate what it did or dive deeper

the normalization of nazi culture makes me want to fucking die

This lot don't even have a snazzy dress sense. They should be required to at least do it properly and at least where the uniform, let's have a bit of self-respect around here.

They're just losers who live online trying to outdo each other to hold the most extreme view points possible so they can stand out in their depressing little discord shitholes. It's such a depressing reality I can't even imagine it. No wonder they become mass shooters.

Losers that have the ear of the president. Fuentes less but he also been to Mar A Lago for lunch with Maga Pompous
The two sides are racists who disagree regarding faith and whether Jewish people are their equals or not.

I have a feeling the trial is going to be a cringe fest of internet memes. Lawyers explaining to the jury what 4chan and pepe is. The trial Charlie Kirk deserves.

"So how do we know this chinese furry sniper known as 4chan might not be a Muslim?"
https://youtu.be/EM-booRzCYY https://youtu.be/3KO8OPejaXY?t=3m18s

It’s about whether you hate Jewish people the right way or not. It has nothing to do with brown people as both groups equally hate them.

Kirk supports Israel and Fuentes and the groypers do not.

Kirk supports Israel and Fuentes and the groypers do not.
https://i.imgflip.com/a658co.jpg
supported please.
- Im sorry, what are you asking for?

I mean, most white people feel the same way. We learn about it and it's like, wtf.

Pepe went the way of the swastika, and it's truly sad. 😭

Do not despair
- Fun fact I have the exact type of pin as is on that hat. I actually have three of them, damn do I love surplus stores.
Pepe is too general to be taken over by a group as a symbol. I hate when ppl just concede Pepe away like that. Fuck those normies (and ofc nazis as well).
Akin to "oh no, that nazi is eating freedom fries, has a USA tattoo, and is wearing a shirt - all of those things separately are now the undisputed universal symbols of Nazism!!".
- Seriously, people saying that about pepe here reminds me of conservatives saying video games are the problem. It's like come on, I don't think the 19 year old woman streaming stardew valley on twitch to 12 people and posting okayge in chat even knows what a 4chan is lol
Lmao no he didn't, what?

Narduar! (music plays)
Narduar! (music plays)
Narduar! (music plays)

You are perishthought and we must know, perishthought what does Ip Man mean to you?
- Do do do lo do, do do!

It should be a war crime to explain to my mother what a groyper is, what "OWO" is and how to pronounce it.

Oh-woo-oh, obviously. Just imagine the cringe if your mom decides to joke with OwO and UwU to her friends, it'll be worth it
- Matching cat ear headbands in human and cat sizes, emblazoned with “RAWR XD”

The hell that was being active on reddit during the groyper wars and accidentally absorbing all this shitty knowledge years ago :(

.....reddit groyper wars???
what? When was that? Did it just completely fly under my radar????
- Sorry, not the inter-maga war, this was way back during Trump's first term, when TD was still a thing. They had a whole reddit groyper "army" (terminally online TD / Musk incel fanbois) who'd show up and brigade posts on r/politics, r/news, etc.
  Generally not so much that it was obvious brigading (we found coordination threads in TD), but enough to try to cast doubt on events and astroturf enough "genuine commentary from ordinary people" so it could be picked up by podcasters and influencers who could amplify the "spontaneous messages and feedback", which would turn be picked up by the less reputable right-wing "news outlets and spread from there to Faux News. It was both fascinating and scary, watching the right wing echosphere at work in detail.
  We kept trying to beat back the brigaders, but honestly it was a total whack-a-mole thing, especially since spez decided that reddit was a total free speech zone during the first presidency and that he wasn't going to do anything to help keep things in check because he was too busy building his survival bunker and sucking up to the guys with the big money.
  Not that I'm bitter or anything.
  Oh yeah: fuck spez.
- I was on reddit since back when /r/spacedicks was a thing, up to a few months ago when I started getting instabanned. When tf were the groyper wars?
- yeah i was on reddit back then too. tf?

There's not just 2

your 1 normal friend's reaction to the recent news

Wait till you read about the meme wars. This goes deeper than most people know.

I don't think I understand any of what's being said here. Don't know the term, don't know the references being made in the post.

Yeah OP doesn't explain. Have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
TL:DR turbo racists who don't find Trump or Kirk racist enough.
- In late 2022 and early 2023, the Groyper movement shifted away from its longtime position of supporting Trump and instead began promoting Kanye West's presidential campaign.
  How does this ...even fit
- Thanks for the context. Also, wtf
- Thanks for this! I noticed when I share in detail, there's still commenters (who get highly upvoted) that argue with what I discovered. Especially when it's so ridiculously cartoonish like whatever this Groyper movement is.
  So I elected to share it and go, "Dog, this info is wild y'all gotta do your own research because wtf."
  Fortunately for this one, Wikipedia has a lot of good detail about them. And in the future, I'll remember to share those links if I spot them and they're highly credible.
- Wth, I went to urban dictionary for the explanation, and there was a wikipedia page about it all along?!

How the fuck are you supposed to pronounce that?

Basically racists got mad Pepe got reco-opted by democratic protestors in Hong Kong so they decided to make their own frog to put racist shit on, this is how a decent chunk of America passes the time.

I've no idea what this means, but if they're just racist PoS I don't think I care about nuance.

Basically Kirk was MAGA, the shooter was from a group called 'groypers' led by Nick Fuentes. There's an online meme 'persona' of sorts called Pepe, who I guess the groypers use as a mascot. Which is a shame as some of the Pepe content is pretty awesome. It's the punisher skull shit all over again. Anyway, infighting between facist groups, groypers being the more extreme far right group, which I didn't think was possible but here we are.
- It’s the punisher skull shit all over again
  It's so true. Conservatives are so uncreative that they miss the most basic elements of storytelling that most of us grasp as children.
  They haven't made anything creative of their own since the swastika, and even that was stolen from Hindus. All they do is take take take, and then ruin everything they fucking touch.
- They adopted Pepe?
  That's a shame. It was a good meme there for a while. I had no idea that it was being tied to racist bullshit.
  Thanks for the heads up. I guess I can't use that meme anymore. I don't want to be associated with these chuckle fucks.

I'm whiter than bleached mayonnaise and I barely learned what a groyper was. Loser incels, the lot of em.

Context? What's the other faction? The first one is likely https://wiki.froth.zone/wiki/Groypers?lang=en but I dunno the second.

The other faction got shot in the neck.

Not at all an important detail but pepe did not become a white nationalist symbol until winging dip shit out of touch loser candidate said it was.

pepe still not a hate symbol, pepe is for all

Same, literally yesterday

The fuckers can carry on knocking each other off and Vlad should advise them to use the 6th floor windows and balconies instead of bullets.

Bullets are more traditionally murican.

Is that like a grouper but with a South African accent?

they hate a lot of us. Solidarity