Banned from unrelated community after calling out Israeli propaganda lies
Israeli propaganda spreader @PugJesus@lemmy.dbzer0.com a.k.a @PugJesus@lemmy.world banned me from completly unrelated community I never really participated in after I called out his Israeli propaganda lies here:
Brother told me he will keep attacking leftists who "didn't vote for harm reduction" until he gets an "olive branch" from those leftist ghosts living in his head.
"We need unity"
"Alright let's stand side by side, no one should be subjected to harm by governments due to their identity or existence."
"Wow, I can't believe you would say such a thing! This is why the left never wins, they have such lofty goals as abiding by the Geneva convention and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. You ruined leftism!"
And now he's lying about db0 being evil and lying about him: https://lemmy.world/post/33347185
Does this dude ever sleep? Like all he does is whine and complain 24/7 and then act like anyone put off by him is a fascist in disguise.
Actions have consequences, and he's mad his actions have the lightest of consequences. Holy shit guy just wants an excuse for everything he does, and no one else gets one.
He's saying db0 banning someone for their actions is evil, yet power trips and bans people in unrelated communities because he finds them evil for not advocating for genocide. Good Lord.
But how can he be a fascist when he says he’s “Vaguely Left-Wing.” /s
How can he be a fascist when he posts his fascist when he posts when call him out? https://piefed.social/c/fediverseslander
I know people like this in real life and I swear they live for the fight but only ones that they think they can win. They get a thrill from being right or having power and their use is good and for their own betterment and anyone else is just mistaken and wrong and needs to be corrected or pushed aside to make room for someone they can push down or back upon.
Way back, when I was still on .worId and PJ was newer, I once diffused an argument they wanted to start with me, simply by holding my ground and nicely picking apart their (admittedly bad) arguments. They seemed more interested in winning than what was actually correct and they admitted to having a temper that led to that behavior.
I thought they were an alright person, maybe just immature, until I discovered they had been forcefully arguing the opposite point with another person at the same time. That's when I blocked them.
Like 6 months back, PugJeuss said he was done trying to win fights on the internet. The replies chuckled at him and said he clearly doesn't mean it. And then he got mad at you for not believing him.
PugJesus has always been terrible :/
I remember them raging over neopronouns over on blåhaj f.ex
PTB
Yeah that was the point i just blocked them. That shit also spilled into tumblr
He was banned from blåhaj back then, so I'm happy to say I've not really seen him since. Someone did share his odd recent ranting community he made where he wrote to himself about how evil and mean we are or something for asking people to either block/ignore/report or use the requested pronouns of other users. He's obsessed apparently.
Wait, really? Lemmy drama gets posted to Tumblr?
He still is, this time about being banned from db0 for it. 😂 Surprisingly thin skinned.
Funny enough, I was actually assured that both the main admins at the time of the controversy with Drag were broadly onboard with my opinion - ie that I was willing to use Drag’s pronouns, but didn’t regard that as carte blanche to force people to call dragons real.
Firstly, yeah, no one was trying to force him to call dragons real, he just kept screaming that at the top of his lungs and My God he's STILL going. He very much equated being told he had to use a person's stated pronouns, in this case "drag", with being "forced" to call dragons real. I'd chase up the posts but I just can't fluffing care anymore.
You should never be in charge of anything else than your own diaper since you are unable to separate between being a mod and arguing with someone.
Secondly, as someone that's disabled and incontinent, this makes me so bloody depressed. Please be better than this when calling people out, it's ableism to treat incontinence like this. There's a reason that roughly 70% of incon folks (depending on the study) would rather have a limb amputated than continue to be incontinent.
(Edit: To clarify, the second quote here was the OP of this post, not PJ.)
Surprisingly
Don't know about that :P
Looks like they went on a whole ban spree. Some folks are not equipped to operate outside communities they control and moderate.
PTB. No surprise. Worthless creep in action.
PTB.
He legitimately seemed to be going through something the last few days though, he was picking fights with everyone in a bunch of threads and I ended up catching strays along with a bunch of others
Yeah, hard agree. I know he has chronic pain, but it's not cool to take it out on others.
Common PugJesus L, I give it less than 12 hours until he comes into here because he searches his username on lemmy often.
PTB too.
First person i blocked on lemmy because they don't believe in neopronouns. Which essentially means "I'll respect how you identify as long as i think it's a valid identity".
Basically I'm not surprised that they're still being a different flavor of dick
That thread is not evidence that PugJesus doesn’t believe in neopronouns. I don’t know what they believe but you’re deliberately misrepresenting what they said.
"I don't think this is real, I won't call you by that."
What is that if not misgendering?
They would tell someone who is using fae neopronouns that fae arent real. Directly from the thread, here. So yes, they don't believe in neopronouns, or they only respect neopronouns they deem valid. This isn't a misrepresentation. It's just what they said
I wouldn't post to any community they moderate anyways, one of the biggest rage baiters on lemmy
Very reassuring that you said that tbh, I was starting to wonder are they annoying only me...
Yup. Block them and move on.
I am really not surprised by PugJesus being a PTB.
Oh, wow, I literally just blocked pugjesus today because they've become so unhinged. El oh El
Seems like you have a long history of getting banned for incivility.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=8784531
Judging by some of your comments, like this one
If you put fifty children with Down's syndrome in a room there is going to be a lot of hugging.
and this one
You are such a pussy 🙄
and this one
Move your arse than and let other people to finish their shopping you antisocial twat.
I would have banned you too
Stands for "fucking". Original comment removed by a mod said "fucking lies".
See here https://lemmy.world/post/33328504
Edit:
The_crotch before editing his post accused me of antisemitic rhetoric. The above was a reply to that.
PTB.
However, imo blocking him is a double-edged sword as he posts so prolifically you end up wiping out heaps of Lemmy content that normal people engage with, and Lemmy is fairly small.
He's made 11,942 (!) posts in 733 days. That's over 16 posts a day you drop by blocking him, I only looked on his main account. Didn't count his secondary db0.
I blocked him and any alts of his that I could identify back when he was frequently trying to get .world to defederate from .ml. The decrease in content is unnoticeable but the decrease in insufferable manufactured drama is massive.
He used to try to get .world to defederate from .ml.
He still do, but he used to, too.
PTB
Thanks, just blocked PugJesus. What a trash human being.
That's a bit too far imo. He's just a true blue liberal that can't handle the crumbling reality that is the incoming NWO and the revelation that American exceptionalism was always a lie.
I mean he's had years to learn better but continues to shitpost about rome like a weirdo on Twitter does.
If he spent the energy starting slap fights online and making memes only the people hyper focused on Rome find remotely chuckle worthy on improving himself, he'd be a loved icon.
true blue liberal
aka fascist.
What is this, Reddit?
lemmy.world?
Yes.
In a shocking twist, B turns out to also be a PTB.
He still hasn't followed me back on wafrn so I vote PTB no context needed.
He did it verdict reversed,
PugJesus is apparently banned from this instance, so they are unable to defend themselves on this thread. They did talk about it in this comment chain for context.
Allegedly OP downvoted several posts from the community in question after having their comment removed and PugJesus banned them from that particular community in response. PugJesus pointed out that if it was an emotional overreaction to the comment, they could have just as easily mass-banned OP from the other communities they moderate instead of just that one. And while it's not relevant to this judgement, it does seem like OP's source citation agrees with PugJesus's "western propaganda" that there is evidence of sexual assault, but not enough to call it systematic.
So I guess a few questions for OP:
Did you downvote posts from that community?
If so, how many? And do you not consider that participation?
If not, can you think of a reason why PugJesus banned you from just that specific community?
And for clarification around the removed comment, it's not clear what you were calling lies/western propaganda. Did you mean just the BBC article that PugJesus linked, or also the NBC article cited by your source, or the central UN report discussed by them?
Also, let me know if I got something wrong about the chain of events leading up to this. It's tricky to jump between a bunch of links and keep it straight.
it does seem like OP’s source citation agrees with PugJesus’s “western propaganda” that there is evidence of sexual assault, but not enough to call it systematic.
PJ does this a lot. The original post article was claiming that SA was being used as a 'genocidal strategy', which is an extremely bold claim and would need to show not only evidence of SA happening, but a coordinated and premeditated intent in order to drive Israelis from Israel.
The pull-quotes PJ is pointing to are acknowledging instances of SA - and really only acknowledging what little evidence beyond first-person accounting there is - but explicitly not 'systemic and coordinated' SA.
OP was pointing this out, even in his replies with PJ that he linked. PJ was ignoring the distinction and trying to bait a stronger reaction, and ended up banning OP as a result. He tried doing a similar thing with me a few days ago while defending/downplaying atrocities committed by the mujaheddin just so he could reframe responsibility for the Taliban around Pakistan.
I'm usually pretty lax with mod actions, because they're free to protect their communities they way they want to. But PJ has been on a tear the last few days, and was clearly not in a place to be acting as a mod. He's been starting fights and baiting people all week and deserves some mandatory time off.
But PJ has been on a tear the last few days, and was clearly not in a place to be acting as a mod. He's been starting fights and baiting people all week and deserves some mandatory time off.
Hasn't this always been his behaviour? I blocked him and his alts long ago for these very reasons.
PJ does this a lot. The original post article was claiming that SA was being used as a 'genocidal strategy', which is an extremely bold claim and would need to show not only evidence of SA happening, but a coordinated and premeditated intent in order to drive Israelis from Israel.
No, the article stated "Israeli legal and gender experts" are claiming something like that, as reflected in the title. It also mentions "Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages." The article is reporting on the claim, the evidence used to support it, and the limited amount the UN has actually been able to verify. It distinctly doesn't confirm it, because as you pointed out the burden of proof is high and doing so would be very irresponsible when it cannot be substantiated. PJ meanwhile doesn't claim anything more than the article does, at least in their post. In fact, it looks like the entire post including the title is directly lifted from the article.
The pull-quotes PJ is pointing to are acknowledging instances of SA - and really only acknowledging what little evidence beyond first-person accounting there is - but explicitly not 'systemic and coordinated' SA.
Agreed, neither article proves the Israeli claim. The UN report does disprove the Hamas claim that none of their forces are committing sexual violence, but it does not prove that it is systemic as the Israeli group asserts. That is an important distinction. I haven't seen PJ actually claim that it was systemic but they could be implying it by seemingly trying to use that quote as a contradiction to OP saying that it's an Israeli lie.
OP was pointing this out, even in his replies with PJ that he linked. PJ was ignoring the distinction and trying to bait a stronger reaction, and ended up banning OP as a result.
It's true that PJ didn't acknowledge the distinction. They may not have realized that was the source of the pushback. But regardless, I still don't think that's enough to say the ban was retaliatory. Mass-downvoting a community's posts is reason enough to ban someone from it. It's essentially brigading and even one user can be pretty disruptive with small communities. That's why I wanted to know if OP had been acting in a way that qualifies for a legitimate ban or not.
PJ has been on a tear the last few days, and was clearly not in a place to be acting as a mod. He's been starting fights and baiting people all week and deserves some mandatory time off.
I don't follow Lemmy politics enough to remember much of PJ's history other than that they are a big enough contributor to be a familiar name and that they were involved in some drama with 196. If they're going through something recently that's making them lash out, then I hope it gets better soon. They didn't seem particularly irritable from this interaction though.
"censured by mods"?
He edited your comment to replace something with the text "censured by mods"?! He doesn't know that that's not how the word "censured" should be used?
What an absolute melt.
Just to make something clear, mods do not have the ability to edit comments of other users. Even admins would probably have to do a bit of technical hacking to do so.
That wasn't always the case in the early Lemmy days. There's a reason these folks stick to communities they created and control. They used to make ragebait posts, edit comments of other users to say unhinged genocidal shit, screenshot their edits and delete the thread. And then post that as evidence 'documenting genocide apologia'.
Now they just manipulate the modlog to not show the removed comments and make up reasons.
No, sorry for misunderstanding.
Mod (different mod to this one here) removed my comment (in which I was replying to PugJesus) criticising Isreaeli propaganda as "fucking lies".
That is discussed here https://lemmy.world/post/33328504
I then commented again (replying to PugJesus) and replaced word "fucking" with "censured by mods" to not give the mod any pretext to delete my comment again.
After that PugJesus banned me from completely unrelated community in revenge.
Edit: I now edited the comment you were referring to, to make it clear.
Holy shit Pug made a community to WHINE about their Ls
https://piefed.social/c/fediverseslander
Yeah, not many people are amused though:
https://piefed.social/post/1071715
Maybe the constant reality checks would be helpful for PJ but looks like this entire week long posting spree of starting fights isn't going to work. Maybe the next week of the same thing will?