what was bro even thinking lmao

This is giving strong "I hope nobody finds out I went to Epstein island" vibes.

Vibes? I can feel the shaking all the way over here.
- As a writer, how can he be this clueless about character continuity and congruency?
  All this does is implicate his involvement. I know he was coked out of his mind for decades but I never would've associated him with Epstein previously... Come to think of it, cocaine was probably how he met Epstein/Trump.

Man, who would've thought that the guy who wrote a child orgy scene would turn out to be a pedophile? Edit: Didn't expect this to blow up and result in multiple bans... whoops.

- How does any of that in any way justify him writing a scene where a group of 11-12 year olds have a sex orgy?
- Look, I don't know why you feel the need to defend a part of a book that is, as you just said, a Child Orgy, but you do you, and maybe you should talk to a therapist.
  All I can say is; when I write about children, or think about children in any way, I don't ever think about them having sex, whether that be with adults or other children.
- What?
- You realize he wrote the book right? Like he had literary control over it, he could have just as easily not put in a child orgy

I was just reading up on this subject, and for the life of me, even if King believes this to be true, I can't understand why he wouldn't just keep his trap shut.

I think there are two different lists people are talking about. One of them definitely exists, and the other one may or may not exist.

There is no doubt that law enforcement has created a list of Epstein's clients. It was even the subject of a judge's order. There are probably many such lists of people who have definitely given Epstein money, for example.

The question is whether there was some sort of list that Epstein kept himself, which probably would only be useful for blackmail purposes. If there is no blackmail intended, then Epstein probably would have intentionally avoided making such a list, which would also incriminate himself and could possibly get him killed. The existence of this list was originally asserted by right wing conspiracy theorists during Biden's presidency. It seems the only person who has confirmed this list exists is Pam Bondi, who is completely incompetent, but lies frequently in order to cover for her incompetence.

This list may or may not exist. But I think if you assert at this point that it doesn't exist, it only makes you look like a pedophile. It seems the height of stupidity to say that it doesn't exist if you don't have a horse in the race.

Epstein probably would have intentionally avoided making such a list, which would also incriminate himself and could possibly get him killed
Exactly. If such a list existed he would surely not survive long in jai ... oh
The existence of this list was originally asserted by right wing conspiracy theorists during Biden's presidency. It seems the only person who has confirmed this list exists is Pam Bondi, who is completely incompetent, but lies frequently in order to cover for her incompetence.
If you put it that way then it does sound dubious as hell that that particular list exists
streisand effect, hes trying to get this front and center so it would be a much softer landing later. time will tell if starts pedelling right wing talking point as a defense mechanism.

It's really funny how all this denial is focused on the existence of a concrete "list." What everybody means, and what anyone honest knows, is that the request is for the release of a list of the people who went to the Epstein island and were associated with the convicted child sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein himself.

If you can convict Maxwell, there is evidence of what happened. Whether or not someone has already written a list is completely irrelevant.

There are exactly two types of people who would deny this:

Die hard, believe-anything-Trump-is-saying-today, MAGA faithful
paedophiles or people otherwise on the list

I wonder which one Stephen King is....

3rd)people that are protecting megadonors/donors/executives of coporations or hollywood.

Also:

This also reminded me that in his short story "The Jaunt" Stephen King felt the need to include the following lines for no apparent reason:

Ricky and Pat were watching him seriously, his son twelve, his daughter nine. He told himself again that Ricky would be deep in the swamp of puberty and his daughter would likely be developing breast by the time they got back to earth, and again found it difficult to believe.

And the graphic description of a child being raped in "The Library Policeman"
- And the sewers scene in IT.
I never said that.
- Said what? Ricky doesn't say anything in that quote.
This.
Everyone knows the scene from IT and how disgusting it is but many do not understand that King has a long history of pedophilic tendencies when writing teenage girls in almost all of his works.
In Carrie he has a section that takes an odd focus on how nice her legs look, in Under the Dome there is a lengthy description of an pubescent girl's pubic hair, etc...
Like, I get he is a horror writer and that means depicting scenes that are intentionally written to be uncomfortable is part of the genre, which includes scenes of sexual violence and abuse, but there are ways to accomplish these depictions without the unnecessary sexualization of underage girls.

I'm confused. Epstein definitely did the crimes of trafficking children to be raped by wealthy people.

Why would a client list not be a real?

I think it's very possible there isn't an actual "client list".
I think it's more about making a list of visitors to the island that have somehow supported Epstein around that time.
"Have some fun on my island. Also, can you help me get a loan and this bill passed?"
- I fully expected there to be a safe somewhere full of blackmail dossiers. Though I'm sure that has been put to the torch by now, if it ever existed. The best we can do now is compile lists from secondary sources.
Even if there isn't a document with a big header that says "Client List" and firm documentation of what crimes were committed, we know there are flight logs, there are victim statements, and there are records of financial transactions.
That is absolutely enough to bring charges against at least some of these people. We are accepting a false narrative that there has to be some chiseled in stone singular document listing bad actors.
Because Epstein didn’t have a file in excel called “client list”, but there are trusted sources that when put together create a pedophile list.
- he probably had a long of visitors to the island, and isnt epstein /maxwell also working for Israeli intelligence too.

It's nice of the people on the list to out themselves. At this rate we can just compile it ourselves.

Stephen King confirmed himself as a pedophile

Wow, what a massive POS, and misusing "UFO" to boot. Yeah, everyone has seen something flying that they couldn't identify at some point or another. "UFO" does not automatically mean "extraterrestrial spacecraft."

What claim is he even trying to make here? "Everyone knows someone who's seen [the Epstein files]"? Nobody's seen them, and nobody knows anyone who has, and that's the whole issue.
- He's acting strangely compared to the way he's been in the past. Did he have a Fetterman stroke or something?
Yeah... All dude had to say was, "Yeah, I meant of course that a literal list of clients with the big fat title "Client List" doesn't exist." Instead he doubles down? Why is everyone suddenly just a balls to the wall massive troll and douche? Man, fuck these people so hard they can never rape children or protect those that do again.
- "I'm just the guy that's going to fuck you so hard your assholes going to be dragging behind you like a tail" - Vigilante
Yeah that analogy is a pretty shitty one. There are legitimate reasons to be skeptical about UFOs/UAPs/Flying Saucers, or whatever you want to call them, even if I do not believe in batshit crazy conspiracies related to them. There are no reasons to believe that Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy can be real, that is just folklore.
Shocking that someone like him, would do such a ill-conceived analogy, even if anyone considers that in modern society, alien shit can be considered folklore, it is still very much within the realm of possibility.
- Shocking that someone like him would do such a ill-conceived analogy
  It really was notable. I agree with another commenter who said King's substance abuse past seems to be catching up with him. He sounds like a snarky right-wing asshole, and he used to be better than that.

I wanna tell King he's a shithead pedo, but I just don't feel comfortable among the people shitting on him.

A person can be criticized for something by both good and bad people, it’s the worldview that makes the person. Also, he’s getting so much shit on shitter that, valid though your criticism is, he’s not likely to even know you told him, let alone care. Do it here, where nearly all of us understand and likely agree.

The guy did write about a bunch of children running a train on another child to "recharge their matches" in the book 'it' acting like it was a liberating experiance.

Guy also described a girl pissing and shitting herself in "the girl who lived tom gordon" in detail which weirded me out even as a kid

That part of IT might make a whole lot more sense all the sudden

Oh yeah, every time I talk about king's IT, I go "It's great except that one scene, right?" and anyone who's read it agrees.
- I listened to the audiobook. I felt like I was breaking a law.
If you know you know. If you don't, asking about it gets entire posts nuked.
- Whaaaaat? Why would they erase stuff about a sewer clo.... Oh that scene, yeah, absolutely.
don't you hate it when a problematic part ends up being actually problematic and not something that can be chucked up to cocaine?
- "I am the author's thinly-veiled fetish" is a phrase and a meme for a reason.

Sounds a lot like Stephen King is very likely to be a pedophile that has raped children on Epstein's island 🤔

It certainly seems like It may be the case
- subtle
I can't believe how fast people are willing to say this based on such tenuous evidence as this post of his. "very likely"?? I think you all should get a grip on yourselves.
- i agree. by the way i just want to say i never killed a prostitute if anyone was wondering.
- Yeah, he just happens to have written close to a dozen books or more that involve child abuse. Its just a reoccurring theme, nothing more.
- I hope these folks never serve on a jury :(

Stephen King is on the list.

I think that's the only reason for this change in tune from the guy.
IMO, it's blatant and transparent.
I think this is pretty unlikely, but will apologize if im wrong. My logic is that Trump already hates King and has openly feuded with him. Since there haven't been any criminal cases yet, it seems that whatever evidence is in the files wasn't enough for DOJ to feel like they could win a conviction, but because Trump is a petulant dumb fuck I expect he would have made Bondi bring charges for even the most tenous circumstantial evidence if it was against someone he doesn't like. But then again Trump may think the files give him leverage over anyone even barely mentioned in the files and not want to lose that leverage, so I could be absolutely wrong.
- Well, you have no reason to apologize, at this point, everyone is just speculating. However, I think the only reasonable and logical explanation, is that Stephen King is somehow, involved. He never was in any capacity or position to know everything in the case in detail. So he's either lying about his certainty and knowledge, or he is involved, no other inference can be made.

It costs nothing to shut the fuck up.

This might be another example of King being unable to write an ending; this time, of his own career and reputation.

Bet he's on that list the fucking nonce

I can believe there's no neat little notepad with a bunch of names on it, but there's definitely a shit load of evidence incriminating a bunch of powerful people, given what we already know.

I think we might not need the "list" released, but let's just make public the whole Epstein file
and the celebrities trying to cover it up by "saying what list?) any celebrities coming out saying this, we suspect you are also on it now.

Never meet you're heroes. Especially not if you're underage.

bro self reported

why release the list of clients? all three pedos are putting themselves in the spotlight already

Interesting, the mystery expands...I can't wait for all the people who are associated with that list to be catching well-earned strays from the fallout.

You know nothing will come of it. Though they should all end up ruined and in prison, the same will happen as what happens with all “celebrities” at a statistical level. Nothing. Sure Weinstein is in prison. Diddy is not. etc… This won’t be another metoo movement.
Though I fucking wish it would.
- I am speaking from a hopeful place...Given the current political environment, if nobody sustains this energy...It will fizzle out and die, unlike the MeToo movement that kept its momentum for quite a while. There are going to be people that are sacrificed to mollify the masses, while others might skate free. Diddy is going to be sentenced from what I could find in October of this year, but he is also still imprisoned because of him being a flight risk.
  I hope that this Epstein File thing could blow up into something that a stinky, deranged man can't silence, no matter how much smoke he blows up the arse of his cultists and society.
also people associated with diddy who himself is associated with epstein. miley kunis/asthon kutcher(we know through masterson) and Ellen degeneres fleeing to the UK after diddys indictment.

So he's afraid of being on it. That's all there is to this.

If I was afraid of being on a list, I would say nothing. Why draw attention to it??
- Fame and fortune do not automatically grant a person good judgment. In fact, one could effectively argue that obtaining the former two frequently and demonstrably decreases whatever amount of the latter one may have had.
Or he's mocking the administration for insisting they had a list and suddenly heel turning on it. Given who he is, one of those is a bit more likely, don't you think?
- King, an individual of wealth and status with known pedophilic tendencies (just take that scene from IT for example but there are plenty more throughout his works) and history of drug abuse, being involved with Epstein, the high profile individual who is now known for trafficking underage girls and party drugs to individuals of wealth and status, is not a far stretch to make.
  Also, the way his tweet is phrased does not come off in any way as mocking the administration but instead feels to be mocking those who believe there exists documentation that exposes a list of individuals.
  It could just be poor phrasing but, because of that, it is hella suspicious and given the extra context mentioned above makes it that much more.
- Possible, but this is a time when it would have been better to mock the action rather than the existence.

I'd like to remind this thread not to jump to conclusions. It's not exactly unheard of for a notorious coke addict to be confidently wrong about something. I'll believe he's a sicko when I see his name on the list and not a second sooner.

Edit: Am I really being downvoted for not immediately joining a mob and instead waiting for proof? "We did it ~~reddit~~ lemmy!"

I have a suggestion: Just assume every billionaire diddles kids anyway.
nah, his books says otherwise, it had tons of references to pedophelia in it.
- That's like saying everyone who writes a murder mystery is a murderer.

Ok I love Stephen King but now I'm like wtf. of all the hills to die on

sorry about that.
sucks even people you respected and appreciated end up defending pedos and are highly likely to be pedos themselves.
it is a bit heartbreaking.

The only sense I can make is that he's saying the administration lied about it as a prop to get elected.

But, of course, prominent Nazi Pam Bondi said it was on her desk AFTER the election. And Republicans just voted not to release something they claim doesn't exist. And logic states that if it does exist and it exonerates Trump they'd be plastering it on every wall in every city, town, and village in America. Sooooooooo.......

Also, how did absolutely fucking no one in a position to know about the list say the list didn't exist back in 2019? How is it just suddenly a thing that the list doesn't exist?
I know that Trumpism is a cult, but someone should have pointed out that lot of the in-group is on the list

I mean, he wrote IT so idk if this would surprise anyone lol

You telling me there's a chance that a writer, known for snorting enough cocaine to kill an elephant whilst writing a story where a group of boys run a train on a young girl, might have visited an island known for its drugs and sex trafficking young girls?
🤔
- I know it sounds like a stretch, but yes.
I don't think a lot of people read the book. Anyone who has knows that Stephen King shouldn't be around children.

We already have the flight logs, right? These people flew to the island, that should be enough for something. It's not like we're going to find a QuickBooks pricelist with clients and sex acts in it.

I mean... We might. Realistically we might just get a bank account with deposits. From whom and the description
- I don't think this would have been a cash business, certainly not the kind that would have involved taking transactions into a bank account. There are lots of ways to hide money, and the mega-rich are well-versed in them.
  That said, they'd also have to have been incredibly disciplined not to leave a digital trail anywhere. Flights, Appointments, there would have to have been spreadsheets and documents, unless they were ALL paper...
Some people say that he rigged his homes full of hidden cameras. Probably so he could blackmail people. If that’s true there might be some sort of black book of the people he is extorting.
- I vaguely remember that the big stink before Epstein's "suicide" was that he admitted to keeping detailed documentation of the clients and the "services" he provided.
  It's where the hubbub around " release 'the List' " started, iirc.

Ohoh, has someone fallen off the coke wagon?

Tell me you're on that list without telling me you're on that list.

I mean, there is almost certainly no "The List", "2003-02-23: Donald John Trump, 3 pedophilia, paid by bank transfer".
There are terabytes of call logs, text messages, videos, photos, location logs, witness testimonies, whatever samples, and fuck knows what else.

Huh. I thought he publicly quit twitter and moved to ~~blue sky~~ threads?

https://xcancel.com/stephenking/status/1857165864346267891?s=46&t=PJVWm80PofrGWNJIfp3Bsw

A this guy writes shitty books. There, I said it. Come fucking get me.

Go read some Brandon Sanderson novels, which are amazing.

King: The problem was an spooky demon all along.
Sanderson: The problem is solved by washing and cleaning EVEN when it sucks.
I've only read the first Mistborn book so far but Sanderson had absolutely no prose in his writing. I don't want to be too critical since that was one of his first books two decades ago, but it felt like I was reading something written by a high schooler. However, the actual story and plot were amazing. I'm definitely going to continue reading his books with the hope that he doesn't continue to write "Vin rolled her eyes" 300 more times. His magic system is really well thought out and the characters are very believable and likeable. King on the other hand, is kind of the exact opposite. His prose is top notch but he usually writes about fuck all. I'm currently on the final Dark Tower book and it's a slog to get through. I liked most of the previous books in the series so I'm determined to finish it, but you can tell he just makes shit up as he goes. I think King excels with his short stories, even the best Dark Tower book in my opinion is a sort of spin off from the rest. Like I said, I'll gladly keep reading through Sanderson's works for now but I really hope he learns to become engaging with his actual words on the paper.
- Reading Sanderson is like reading an instruction manual. It is certainly words, and it sure has some information, but that's about where the experience ends. It doesn't exactly light up the imagination.
  Dude can write an entire book and you come out of it unclear as to whether or not there are any trees in that world. Could have just as easily taken place on a slice of cheese.
- I've only read the stormlight archive by sanderson, and fuuuck soes he write depressed characters so well it hurts.
The thing is you're kinda right. He writes shitty stories, but great characters. He's all about letting the characters evolve and explore the story to create the story.
The actual story? Not well thought out and riddled with inaccuracies.
This is why his books translate so well to the big and small screen.
- But usually don't have satisfying conclusions

Wow, the replies on some of King's tweets are really telling....

No chance that chode isn't a trump supporter.

E: also, I didn't realize just how many of King's books involve child abuse... I knew about the obvious ones, but goddamn...

That's interesting. I read most of his books and I really can't recall anything in that regard. Between he's famous for being a horror author although he wrote a few non-fiction books. The human psyche and inner monologues of the character along with descriptions of villains and why they became the monsters they are, are recurring topics in his books. Might it be that this is the reason why they involve child abuse? Remember Dutroix? He was abused as child.
Anyways I can't really recall any scenes in his books where he delved more into that topic than appropriate.
Edit: I'm trying not to have idols or parasocial relations and it's been years since I read the last SK book. So my memory may be clouded a bit. Other than the scene from "The Jaunt" (which I haven't read), I haven't found anything after a quick search. If it turns out he's a pedo I won't defend him. But regarding from what I know about him as person from the biographical texts, and stuff he wrote on social media and how meticulously he deconstructed evil personalities in his books, I can't imagine this being anymore than a witchhunt.
- The "orgy" mentioned is almost certainly the gross group kid sex thing from IT. How do you defeat the evil clown demon, kid orgies apparently :(
is that Beta Male insulting Stephen King or actually clueless about having an orgy in a book involving kids? I've seen my fair share of stupidity but this might be satire aswell
- this is why we always, always need the /s. some people require it...

Even if there is no list (anymore), it's funny so many self-repport in the assumption there is a list.

This isn't surprising really, especially after the Neil Gaiman thing, but it is disappointing.

??? Oh no what Gaiman thing?
- Aww man. I hate being the bearer of bad news. Turns out Neil isn't quite the feminist he pretended to be. :(
- Allegations of sexual assault and rape.
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/gaiman-sexual-assault-allegations-1.7431274

didn't this dickhead also pose with an "I'm speaking" t-shirt after Harris used it to silence anti genocide protesters?

anyway i hope people remember this next time they read It and reach the part that was very predictably left out from the movie

classic liberal.
they are preferable to conservatives, just like a bowl of sawdust is preferable to a bowl of poisoned feces.

Should Stephen King get checked out for brain damage? Possible stroke? He's pulling a Fetterman with this shitty take.

all that cocaine permanantly damaged his mind.
liberalism will do that to you.
- At least you'll be in good company.

hawking was seen with ghislaine or epstein at least through the photos.

Here's Hawking on Epstein's island in 2006 ^[1.1]:
^[1]
- I'm sorry, but something about him being there in that state is just so funny. How and why the fuck? Can we even trust prominent people anymore?
- Where did you find this? What do the white cards say on those other people’s chests? Who are the other people in the image?
  Need to change his name to steven Hawking-tuah cause he definitely had someone spit on that thang at epsteins island 😳

Tucker said it out already. They did not leave you to connect the dots; They literally left you with a complete line with only one missing dot to connect. Even the dumbest MAGAts could see through it.

You know, I'm really glad that Tucker seems slightly less batshit insane after leaving Faux, and I hope he continues in that vein. It doesn't hurt to have a former Trump ball-licker publicly oppose him, but can we please not forget that Sucker is partially to blame for Trump being in office in the first place. He will say whatever he thinks will get him the most ratings, just like he always has.
Let's not start quoting him as some sort of trustworthy or reliable source.
without fox constantly censoring what he really thinks.

When they're finally leaked it'll feel like christmas and birthday at once except with sinister undertones.

?!

I was pretty sure King was anti-trump AF. Where did this “list is fake” come from?

I guess he has something in common with Trump after all.

Of all the things to publicly tell on yourself with. Damn man.

Wait. Isn’t the list available online?

“The list” isnt so much a “list” as it is a compiled comprehensive list of all the people epstein video tapped in his comprehensively bugged properties (even the bathrooms were bugged with mics and pinhole cameras) from the hard drives thumb drives and cd’s the fbi found when they cut into the safe at the manhattan town house mansion they raided and who knows what else they found at his other properties. Bondi even said when defending the choice not to release “the list”/ Epstein files that “it is all child 🌽 and it’s disgusting and will never see the light of day” but are we to believe Epstein was downloading random CSAM from the dark web like a pleb? Or more believable is that this is a blatant admission that the DOJ has evidence of politically prominent officials, judges, scj’s executives bankers intell agents etc engaging in career ending acts of child sexual abuse and other actions who knows how awful and disgusting? Probably definitely the latter. And trump is implicated in what they have which is why he is flailing like a wounded animal basically saying Epstein case Material makes him look guilty without outright saying it just by saying its a democrat smear job. Thats how dumb this mother fucker is

not believing in a secret convenient list that provides incriminating evidence on everyone you dont like instantly makes you a convicted pedophile

It's definitely real, even if it is just the list of 150 Epstein associates that were unsealed years ago. If there was anything more, it ceased to exist during the first Trump administration.

Those grok replies are... something... That AI seems to be emulating Muskrat's personality, which is gross.

I really wanna go check because of morbid curiosity but touching the cesspit known as Twitter is like knowingly walking into a septic tank and coming out with the smell all over you
- And all that cause you thought you saw that goldfish wiggle a little before you flushed.
Wasn't there reports that Musk specifically altered Grok's code to include a filter which checks Musk's posts for his perspective first before formulating a response.
- musk really tows the line between being repulsovely vile and also so painfully pathetic.
  like buying a social media to force people to give you attention wasn't enough? need a bot to tell people how special you are? someone put that pathetic baby in a nursery for overgrown adult babies.
- That was my first thought too. He thinks grok is how he'll live forever.
  Honestly, I think that's the end goal for these billionaire fucks. We know Thsill is interested in that. Death is the one thing these psychopaths can't buy their way out of.

Bro was realistic.

Do you keep a client list of your parties? Do you keep a diary of your illegal activities? Would you allow someone else to have that?!

And even if such a thing would exist, is there any reason to keep such a list after the party? After the planning? After the rich and famous left? No man, the only thing that remains are photos, memories and crazy stories.

Sure, there are people who went there. Sure, there was crazy, scary stuff going on at those parties.

Which is exactly the reason why such a list doesn't exist.

It was another maga bullshit conspiracy story which backfired spectaculary.

Except when you run a blackmail operation of course you will compile all the information of all the people, so you can blackmail them with it.
If it was only about abusing children, Epstein could have done that with relatively little attention. Instead he made sure to have as many people involved as possible.
There is credible reasons to believe that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell have been instructed by Mossad, as they have extensive ties to Mossad and Israel, in particular through the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, Robert, who Epstein apparently helped stow away stolen money. Also Robert "fell of his Yacht" when it became known that he was a Mossad asset.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Alleged_connections_to_intelligence_agencies
Epstein was rumored to be associated with Intelligence agencies.[292] The U.S. journalists Dylan Howard, Melissa Cronin and James Robertson linked Epstein to the Israeli Mossad in their book Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales. They relied for the most part on the former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe.[293] According to him, Epstein's activities as a spy served to gather compromising material on powerful people in order to blackmail them.[294] There is also a possible connection to the Mossad via Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father Robert Maxwell is said to have had contacts with the Mossad.[295] Epstein's victim Virginia Giuffre also alleged Epstein to be an intelligence asset, linking on Twitter to a Reddit page, that alleged Epstein was a spy, running a blackmail operation.[296]
As U.S. Attorney in Florida, the later U.S. Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta reached a settlement with Epstein's lawyers (including Alan M. Dershowitz) in 2008, which allowed him to receive a very light prison sentence. Acosta later reportedly stated that he was told that Epstein "belonged to intelligence" and that the issue was above his "pay grade." According to Acosta, he was pushed to give him a good deal.[297] Former CIA Director and diplomat William J. Burns met with Epstein three times. According to a CIA spokesperson, Burns hoped that Epstein would help him "transition to the private sector."[298]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Mossad_allegations;_Vanunu_case
The Foreign Office suspected Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[58]
Shortly before Maxwell's death, Ari Ben-Menashe, a former employee of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate, approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the US with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror's foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that, in 1986, Maxwell informed the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu revealed information about Israel's nuclear capability to The Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for eighteen years.[59]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Death
Murder was ruled out by the judge and, in effect, so was suicide.[65] His son discounted the possibility of suicide, saying, "I think it is highly unlikely that he would have taken his own life, it wasn't in his makeup or his mentality."[10] Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence[67] and many dignitaries and politicians, both government and opposition, and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.[68][69] Herzog delivered the eulogy, and the Kaddish was recited by his fellow Holocaust survivor, friend and longtime attorney Samuel Pisar.[70]
Also note how the recent denials from Israel are extremely agressive https://time.com/7302177/epstein-mossad-israel-intelligence-naftali-bennett/:
The Israeli politician on Monday said he had “100% certainty” that Epstein did not have any ties to the Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, or the country itself.
“The accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false,” Bennett said in a post on X. “There’s a vicious wave of slander and lies against my country and my people, and we just won’t take it anymore.”
EDIT: Also note that Israel is notorious for harboring fugitive child abusers. Israel is strategically building on child rapists to support them.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-07-25/ty-article/.premium/tip-of-the-iceberg-how-foreign-sex-offenders-find-refuge-in-israel/00000182-3532-d7e9-af96-3d73c52c0000
- If all this is true that are even more reasons such a list does not exist. (anymore)
  Or do you really think an agency like the Mossad is that careless?
Epstein seems to have kept photos and videos of his clients to blackmail them. It would be easy to create a list of his "clients" and the government certainly has created such a list, to charge them or at least they should have it or be able to do so easily.
- Look, believe what you want to believe. At this time there is zero proof. Only words as "seems" "we believe" "should".
  In absence of any proof I suggest (as does King) that it's very plausible that this criminal, as every other criminal ever (except serial killers) did not keep evidence of his criminal activities. For me thats a "duh".
  (And if all this foreign agent stuff is even just somewhat true than that list does exist but it will never ever see the light of day because in the hands of an agency such as Mossad, cia or whatever it's a very, maybe even the most valuable tool. Which, to us mere mortals, has the same net outcome. No list.)
  Maga screamed murder, as it always does, about absolute bullshit. Clinton and every democrat ever was on the list! And now it comes back and bites them in the ass. As it fucking should.
  There was a list according to them when it furthered their political interest. And then: Goal achieved, Trump voted Prez. And lo and behold: no more list! Omg! Impossible! I never expected that? Right? /S.

Stephen King is absolutely the next person I think is going to have some heinous shit come out about him, like happened with Gaiman. Too many years writing in a cocaine haze, on record defenses of Woody Allen marrying the step daughter he raised, the whole thing with the ending of IT.

Not commenting on the Epstein List, tbh it's political football and I don't know if we'll ever have anything confirmed until well after anyone who could be impacted by it is gone. King's just one of those people who if you look close enough there's reasons to be suspicious, but who is such an industry giant that I think no one wants to say anything.

Can I just say, I don’t think that the (plaintext) client list is real.

Nobody is going to release a real list because it will exclusively hurt the rich and powerful.

Trump Part 1 didn't, Biden didn't, Trump won't do it now.

There definitely is a list. Probably not a spreadsheet or a black book, but you have to make schedules and appointments work. Double booking diddlers is bad business. There are records.

What has been established by the media is that there is a list (whether true or not) and being on that list is damning. Unfortunately we're at a point where if a list is released, anyone with a brain would have to doubt it as being nothing more than a political tool, and anyone without a brain will immediately try to crucify anyone on it.

All the back and forth and hemming and hawing buys time to figure out who to put on the list. Get all the Democrat names you like, but finding enough Republicans to put on the list, but not anyone who'll rat (preferably dead) is the tricky part. Gotta make it halfway believable.

It's sad that instead of bringing the worst people in our society to justice, this will either be swept under the rug or set fire to the Reichstag.

The list probably looks like a grocery list or a visitors sign in list. Don’t over estimate rich people.

Woah everybody is going wild and jumping on Stephen King like piranhas haha. He said one vague things and now everyone here is accusing him of being a pedophile. Fucking crazy!