Adult attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder is associated with alterations in circadian rhythms at the behavioural, endocrine and molecular levels

I appreciate you keeping content flowing in this community! That said, this study is from 2012, so the conclusions may be somewhat out of date.

I realize that I was complaining without offering anything useful. Here is a more recent article that addresses a similar topic:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11656626/?hl=en-US

This is pretty long. I’m definitely gonna come back to it very soon though
- No I won't. I'll mean to. But I won't.

Plural of anecdote isn’t anecdata, but I have both ADHD & impaired sleep.

Plural of anecdote isn’t anecdata

I love this. Thank you.
- You shouldn't love this. It is a statement informed by a misunderstanding of epistemology and the philosophy of science.
Same. Chronic insomnia since I was 20. Diagnosed ADHD in my late 40s.
Is this correlation and causation tho?

Like, a lot of people with ADHD take stimulant medication.
- Why is it so hard to get into peoples heads that one of the most common symptoms of ADHD is abnormal reaction to stimulants?
- A common misnomer about adhd brains is that they're wired, but really they're actually super tired brains, trying desperately to wake themselves up by flooding adrenalin and cortisol in place of desperately and dangerously low dopamine, (which is actually the petrol that gets you around, not just a carrot at the end of the ride). So when a super tired brain that's overly flooded with adrenalin, gets enough stimulus to produce enough dopamine, it let's go of the adrenaline, mops it all up and can finally rest. Think of those nights you tried to stay awake with teenage friends and caffeinated yourself silly and everyone got all loud and weird. That, but all the time.
- Yeah, but I can sleep on stimulant medication. That's what's so weird with the ADHD brain and stimulants. It turns off my spiderweb brain.
  
  But the reality of it is I can't seem to choose when I sleep. I've been doin ok lately tho
- I’m on a non-stimulant though, and I’ve been having sleep problems since before I was diagnosed and started medication.
Anecdotes are sources of data. The compilation of multiple anecdotes can lead to hypotheses, which are then tested. If you get enough anecdotes, they can become a compelling form of data. The validity of the data is then dependent on the suitability of the anecdote in relation to the subject matter and the opportunities for triangulation. People who make statements like this do not understand how data works.

As someone with adhd reading this at 4 in the morning because he can't go back to sleep, i find this information personally assaulting

I might feel attacked, but it's not 4am yet. Been up for >20hrs, so there's that, though. 😵‍💫

I read a study that says people with sleep disorders are more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD and vise versa. Not just insomnia either. Narcolepsy, Insomnia, Restless Leg Syndrome, Sleep Apnea…all of em.

Suggests they are tied together. My doctor says one can cause the other so it comes down to the chicken or the egg when diagnosing.

That tracks with the increase of ADHD symptoms I've noticed as my insomnia has gotten worse

That wouldn't surprise me. I have always been a night owl and maybe slightly non-24. I can get up early, but a single late night will destroy my schedule as my body reverts to that and takes days or weeks to recover.

So, there's hope? 😅

Just found out last year (at 38) that I likely have undiagnosed narcolepsy. Explains a lot.

I am in this picture and I do not like it.

Are we sure we're not conflating cause with effect here?