Anon is tired

Hot take: corporatism and infotainment. You control money and information, you control the world.

Capitalism
Nope education is the downfall. Teach critical thinking well and you won't have such a malleable idiotic population that buys into either of those.
- That's maybe a part, but not the whole story.
  Your (and your parents', and your peers') real and perceived economic circumstances and opportunities have a lot to do with what you'll value and prioritize as an adult - how invested and loyal you'll be in society. Every poor person we generate due to greedy decisions has a very high likelihood of being a destructive force back to us.
  Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.
- Education was destroyed by the same people who forced corporate news down our throats.
- Almost none of my well educated professional-managerial class peers have developed class consciousness. They seem to be even more class clueless than blue & pink collar workers.
Pitchshifter warned us.
- I'm safe in the knowledge that we'll all be saved.
- The 90s industrial/nu metal band?
This is the coldest take on Lemmy. Not that it's wrong, though.

The question "Where did we go wrong?" being asked on 4chan in /b/ is funny to me.

Cue John Travolta looking around gif
This was my feeling as well. Hey Anon, go look in the fuckin' mirror if you want to know where we went wrong.

Don't vote Conservative

Next year will mark my 16th year voting for democrats, all they do is kick the can and move the line. While I don't think there is anything wrong with saying don't vote conservative, I do think it's a bit like saying "CLOSE YOUR WINDOWS" when a tornado is coming. We're screwed regardless of who we vote for, the only thing that changes is the rate at which we're screwed; that is why Anon is sick of life.
- Democrats are also conservatives. If you allow the oligarchs and aristocrats to choose who represents you then they will always choose candidates who rule in their interest. You can't change this system by playing within the ruleset you're given. Democratic power can only ever be wielded by unions of workers and communes of citizens. Those organizations combine and concentrate the power of regular people and can effectively wield this against the ruling class.
- The FPTP voting system means everyone is held hostage voting for the party they hate the least. If you vote for a third party you just make it more likely the party you hate most will win because the vote is split.
  Obviously things still wouldn't be perfect with a proportional voting system but I think it would take some power away from capitalist oligarchs because we will be able to vote for a party we like without just making the fascists more likely to win. The issue is the only two parties you can realistically vote for are highly incentivised to not change the voting system because they will lose a lot of the power they have.
- The Dems can't do anything without a majority. Give them a true majority where Sinema and Man Chin can't hold things up. Then stand the fuck back.
- Well, at least you've got a heads-up and some choice on how fast you get screwed.
  We just got a guy we didnt choose who just suddenly and royally f🇷🇺ks everyone over every few years or so
Can say the same for progressives! They progressed us so far, we ended up going backwards!
- Ohh that would almost be clever if it weren't conservatives dragging the world through their unga bunga bullshit.
- Progressive to me means fair wages, medicare for all, tackling climate change, defending civil rights, protecting against authoritarianism, tackling the wage gap, making government work for all people, etc.
  Conservative means insurrection, praising authoritarianism, banning books, attacking public education, idolizing the ultra wealthy, culture wars, gerrymandering, preventing fair elections, etc.
  I know what I prefer.
- Can you? Examples, please.
America is the world.
- Lots of places have conservatives for which one should not vote

I wonder if it has anything to do with the system we've built to buy and sell products, owning, trading and hoarding capital? No, that can't be it...

Eat the rich

Too fatty. Better to use them for biofuel.
- Converting them to fuel takes too long, just make a bonfire.
  Toss another rich on the barbie.
Hate your fellow man not the guys unconsentually gang banging your chocolate starfish

Somewhere around 20 years ago/b/ was one of the first aggressively "us vs them" communities I was ever exposed to, and it only got worse from there.

You’re crazy, /b/ wasn’t around 20 years ago… I mean, it only recently started in the early ‘00s!
…oh no

Where did we go wrong? We stopped killing fascists. Appeasement never works when one party has no interest in concession.

BINGO.
The reconstruction of the south shouldn't have ended until 1960, giving near a hundred years to set things right. Instead chickenshit halfhearts let the south return to political power and return to treating POC like slaves. Then they let their grandchildren build fucking monuments and statues to slavemongers.
- I wonder if US insistance on the Nuremberg Trials was a result of seeing the results of failing to hold their own fascists adequately accountable after the civil war.

Everything is about money, not about having an actual human experience.

Human experience is still there, everywhere. You have to make the effort to get out of your burrow and do things outside with physical people.

It's hard to make an effort when all your energy goes into survival. Wasn't the point of "civilization" to not have to worry about all of that?
- Yes it should, but modernity also made us less reliant on the group and I think it made use more introvert and more social risk averse. This is something that can be worked on with reasonable cost.
Human experience has been almost entirely privatized. If you're poor, you're denied most of it.
- Are non-profit associations rare in your place? They are very present around me, all my hobbies are covered.
Where do I go? I have no idea what to do
- Try to find an association near your place, sports, arts, gardening, nature exploration, table top games, whatever you like.
- As a default, a spouse and kids will rope you into decades of regular social interaction.
I think this varies from place to place. In some places, I've definitely felt like going out and interacting with physical people was too dangerous, since the culture was along the lines of "everyone for themselves" and "don't trust anyone". That being said, I've also lived in places where the people around me were extremely friendly, so for many people that opportunity still does exist.
For the people who feel like going out and interacting with strangers is dangerous, I think it might help to go to specific places where the kinds of people you want to meet would also go to (and the kinds of people you want to avoid wouldn't go to), although that can be hard to find.

Welcome to being poor .... I mean poor poor ... not the kind of poor where you can't afford a Lamborghini ... the kind of poor where you no longer have any luxuries like being able to go to the movies.

Where life is a constant hassle and struggle to survive. And where you constantly have to fight to stay above water. A kind of life where someone is constantly either trying to screw you, is screwing you or has screwed you. A kind of life where you no longer trust the people you see, the people you meet, or the people you live with. A kind of life where you know from the time you are born that everything and everyone will be hard.

I grew up like that and it became a normal part of life.

I learned to make a bit of money and survive and I've done good but not great ... good enough to travel the world. It gave me the insight that the majority of the world is poor ... I thought that before but after traveling, I realized just how true that really is.

The world we're complaining about now is the world that most of the world already knows.

Welcome to being poor and hopeless.

I think this is less about being poor or struggling to survive, more about the struggle to find meaning in modern life.
I'm doing well in life. Could certainly be doing better (who couldn't), but my bills are paid, and there's food on my table. I don't worry about these things, and I don't struggle. But there have certainly been times when I've felt the sentiment of the OP. When your needs are met and you feel a sort of emptiness, trying to fill the boredom with the next best dopamine hit. I almost feel like I'm just floating through life, not yearning for, yet waiting for the day it all ends.
- 10.2% of US households aren't food secure in the richest country on the planet with limitless food accessibility. I'm pretty sure it is about being poor and struggling to survive.
I once described this to someone as:
You know you're poor when you realize how bad powdered milk is compared to real milk. You know you're really, really hungry when powdered milk tastes good.

Of course, the big question with the line "I'm tired of being told to hate my fellow man" is whether they're referring to the constant fearmongering being pushed by conservative news and politicians against everyone who isn't in their in-group.

Or are they referring to non-conservatives calling out the bigotry being pushed by conservatives and doing that calling out is "pushing hatred on your fellow man" in this person's eyes?

Since a lot of 4chan is the latter while actively being a part of the former.

- Oh new account made 5 minutes ago, please do tell what the "fearmongering" is on the left. Climate change? Needing to actually do the minimal effort to prevent Covid spread?
Oh my God shut up
- No.
I hate you, my fellow man.
Whatever the content of your post I'd recommend taking a break from politics for a while. Take care of yourself fellow man.

And then there's the idiots who try to use this reasoning to glorify a nonexistent nostalgia based version of "the good old times" when really capitalism is the problem

Is this supposed to be a "the world has turned into shit" take, even though it's been like this for ages (way before the 4chan poster, or anyone alive for that matter, was born)?

Yeah, this is a common fascist recruitment tactic. "The world has gone to shit, things were better before."
This is the call to return to the golden past, a perfect time before "they" took it away from "us." In reality, as you point out, that golden past never existed. However, once people have it framed in their minds that their chance at utopia was "taken" from them, there's almost nothing they don't feel justified in doing to take it back.

I've found that disconnecting helps. Leave your phone at home and go out. Chat with the guy you see every day at the grocery store. Go play chess or pétanque in the park with a friend. You don't have to do this too often, and you'll feel less like a product yourself.

- Especially the elderly in my experience. The generation that used to tell us not to believe everything we see on the internet is now glued to Facebook.

I’ve gone through a lot of crap to learn and really believe that happiness and contentment can only come from within. The outside world has a lot to offer, but it will never give you that.

Unfortunately the outside world and circumstances CAN make it pretty damn difficult or impossible.

It’s a cliche to think of a monk or philosopher saying stuff like “if you want to be happy, be happy,” but that’s a lot of how I I’ve come to see it. And obviously it’s not that simple, we are pretty damn complicated, but that’s the spirit behind it.

Ignorance is bliss. It's also the problem.

My family wasn't rich and I didn't have many luxuries, but I still claim to have been much happier than many children who live in this hectic world where everything is so superficial. 90% of ordinary people don't even dare to have an opinion anymore if it's not exactly what the mainstream represents.

Turn off the news, and stay away from anything online that lets you or other people comment.

Lose Twitter, Facebook, reddit (or reddit alternatives) and the world will look like a much different place.

Sticking your head in the sand will do that. Nothing will actually change but it’ll feel like it’s not there.
- More like "don't stick your head in a pile oft shit", ignoring these platforms is not ignoring the world, it's changing your point oft view, you won't miss anything of importance.
- Is not being on most social media sticking your head in the sand now? I still read the news and try to stay informed. It's just not in my face as much anymore. I would consider that a win.
- I think it's more just reducing the overload, not really hiding. An information vacation.
- This is like you breaking up with a toxic girlfriend and she tells you “oh yeah well other people are still gonna date me idiot!”
- Arguably that's one of (though not all of) the reason for so many people not voting. They think if they disengage, then that'll fix the problem. When in reality they're just allowing the problem to get worse and pretending there isn't a problem.
I did the same thing. I still am on social media such as lemmy and discord but its mostly to talk to people. And I havent watched the news since I was a child. Important things come your way eventually and I dont see it as being ignorant. Now I only receive information I can actually do something about if I want to.
Can confirm this. I've been trying to set my life up to be as internetless as possible.

It was leaving the trees that did it, really.

Nah we should have stayed in the water.
- Personally, I blame the amoeba that decided he wanted to have more cells than everyone else. All of human greed stemps from that selfish bugger.

It's been far too long since the sociopaths were put in their place. Now they have all the money in the world and can hire sycophants to be their personal armies.

Hmm.

I think capitalism isn't the problem nor is liking and consuming a product or experience. We have great products turned into entire experiences here in the US, and I'm not terribly upset anymore about it.

The problem is the late stage unchecked capitalism running rampant. I think allowing individuals the freedom to pursue their ideas and allow others to even build livelihoods from it works great. But there's gotta be checks and balances, its what the USA was founded on.

What you are referring to is called socialism. And yes, it's a good thing.
- Yeah buddy.
- Capitalism with checks and balances is not socialism.

We consume pseudo-food, watch pseudo movies and participate in pseudo sports, heck even pseudo politics. Why pseudo? Because everything is made as cheap as possible and to distract us from the suffering that capitalism brings us so that we won't rise up.

Examples:

Our vegetables are genetically modified so that they grow bigger but they can't reproduce anymore and the seeds are copyrighted.
The movies that are watching are catered to the mainstream and don't even really get a message across. Marvel movies try to tell us that rich people with power will save the world
Football games are there to distract people "give them bread and games and they will never revolt"
The people at power, through massive propaganda, seperate our people into left and right. These two parties will then fight eachother instead of realizing who is really opressing us

Hit the gym and touch grass every so often. It's that simple to feel better. The hardest part is finding consistency. But being chronically online and doom scrolling is what makes the world feel so bleak.

Edit: gonna copy and paste my other comment

I mean, I'm simplifying it for me, but I realized at one point I'm just tired of being tired. Doesn't have to be physical activity, but it's really just finding your niche and not getting into your head too much. Easier said than done, but I really just woke up one day and decided that change is only going to come if I force myself to get up and do something. Otherwise I just get depressed and all "woe is me, woe is the world". If life sucks anyways, I'm going to find ways to enjoy it my own way.

I hate to break it to people but when it came full circle to me, it became as easy as "I'm a depressed right now, well I don't want to be so I'm going to put a little effort into something. That way, I can at least be proud of myself if not the world".

I can keep complaining about the world, or I can toughen myself up for myself and be proud of the person I am. I wouldn't call it ignorance to the rest of the world, I just don't give a fuck anymore. It never gave a fuck about me in the first place. I'm doing it all for myself.

This carries "Just don't be sad bro" energy
While yes, being physically fit is a good thing generally. Going outside especially within the US just makes me feel worse. Everyone is just as miserable as me, it's too hot, it smells like smoke and gas, I can't hear shit because the 4 lane road's noise is deafening, and those who aren't miserable are blissfully ignorant towards the horrible shit people go through in a country that doesn't give a shit about them.
I've managed to disconnect more, work on my hobbies, and find the will to live. My diet in improving and my fitness is also improving, but I just fucking hate the place I live and do not have the means to pick up and leave. The MOMENT I look into it I'm berated with product after product, and expense after expense. We as a society have cultivated an unsustainable model of operation and it's finally falling apart. Like the oil fields, we too are being sucked dry.
I wish I could be ignorant. But I just can't bring myself to that point.
- I mean, I'm simplifying it for me, but I realized at one point I'm just tired of being tired. Doesn't have to be physical activity, but it's really just finding your niche and not getting into your head too much. Easier said than done, but I really just woke up one day and decided that change is only going to come if I force myself to get up and do something. Otherwise I just get depressed and all "woe is me, woe is the world". If life sucks anyways, I'm going to find ways to enjoy it my own way.
  I hate to break it to people but when it came full circle to me, it became as easy as "I'm a depressed right now, well I don't want to be so I'm going to put a little effort into something. That way, I can at least be proud of myself if not the world".
  I can keep complaining about the world, or I can toughen myself up for myself and be proud of the person I am. I wouldn't call it ignorance to the rest of the world, I just don't give a fuck anymore. It never gave a fuck about me in the first place. I'm doing it all for myself.
Ironically it's not even that anymore. Since these are recommended as the answer so much they are the same as any zeitgeist-chase. Act on your own selfishness for your own enjoyment. Go swim, chill out with that show you think you'll enjoy that everyone hates, try cook something new.
People can get stuck in the rut of information overload with the internet but its still an incredibly useful tool to use. Some people just need to learn to use it rather them let it use you.

Comments like this always make me think of this film. One of my favorites.

https://youtu.be/cCeeTfsm8bk?si=Dn8CwEEMV9Lpt27u

Thank you for sharing that interesting watch, cool music
- Elegia by New Order.
  Glad you enjoyed it.

bet a month's rent anon doesn't exercise and their sleep is fucked. I was this doomy too, before I fixed my shit.

Making yourself feel good enough to ignore the shithole our society has become doesn't fix anything. Denying reality is foolish as fuck and actively makes it worse.
- No, it’s really just “be the change you want to see.”
  Wish “the world” worked? Start with your own life.
- Being a doomer doesn't fix anything. Telling people it's all hopeless is foolish and actively makes it worse.
- No one is denying anything. It's just a question of whether you get up to fight or give up and die. That's the part that's in your power, and taking care of your body is the first step toward getting up to fight.
I'm a string bean on Lemmy at 4am and I have a better outlook than anon
Talking a big game but you're only really healthy if you can accept the good and the bad for what it is.

He’s not wrong

I am with Anon. It’s all kinda surreal now. But I’m gonna live it up the way I know how.

Sometimes it’s fun to try doing things differently, but I sort of agree with you. As time goes on it’s harder and harder to break ourselves of our habits

Votes for trump

its not about poltics even anon voted for biden he still be in same situation .
- It is about politics when these people can't see the hole they dig for themselves when an obvious authoritarian like Trump has populist support.

It seems to me that Anon is a whiny little bitch.

This isn't greentext

This guy needs to go to a music festival and do Molly with his best friends

How bout we tear it all the fuck down!? I've got the nukes.

Find some help man

About 300,000 years ago, when the first humans were born.

The problems being described in this post are the result of the greed of the wealthy, and that has been menacing humanity for as long as there's been humanity.

Not at all. For the vast majority of our time as a species we lived in small hunting and gathering bands wherein the accumulation of personal wealth and property wasn't really possible and one's status instead depended on merit. It's only with the dawn of agriculture, about 10k years ago, that the accumulation of personal wealth and private property becomes a thing. For better or worse, for reasons I don't have the time to go into here, agriculture is a kind of ratcheting trap, and once we embraced it we could never go back and never will.
The thing now is to recreate the small-scale egalitarianism that we evolved to live in, but how we do that in the material world we've created is far beyond me.
- Did the strongest tribesman not beat the shit out of all the other tribesmen, take their stuff, and bang their women?