Video : Trump Rages at Zelenskyy in the White House
Video : Trump Rages at Zelenskyy in the White House
President Trump strongly criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky after a tense argument in the Oval Office on Friday. Trump accused Zelensky of showing disrespect toward the United States…
Take note: All Zelenskyy was asking for was what kind of guarantees the United States could provide in exchange for the mineral deal. Trump and Vance either could not or would not answer the question and made buffoons out of themselves.
Ukraine should not sign. USA under Trump will betray them at the first chance he gets. Getting support from mainland Europe would be more likely to see lasting peace, especially when Russia has been on the back foot for months now.
At first, Zelensky rejected the proposal, but the two countries eventually reached an agreement on a revised version. Zelensky traveled to Washington to finalize and sign the deal.
However, tensions escalated when Zelensky tried to explain Russian President Vladimir Putin’s lack of diplomacy to Vice President Vance. Vance accused Zelensky of “litigating” in front of the media and criticized him for appearing in photos with Democrats during the 2024 campaign. He also said Zelensky’s comments were “disrespectful” to the Trump administration.
This sounds just like a setup to humiliate Zelensky and justify this shit to the MAGA brains. Trump and Vance weren't planning on signing the deal. Pure and simple propaganda. But MAGAs don't have enough neurons to see it.
Trump was so backed into a corner he reflexively rambled about Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary Clinton. What a joke. Then doubling down on Vance's inane rambling about not showing gratitude, channelling peak abusive parent energy.
All because Zelensky made very reasonable points about requiring guarantees.
Absolute amateurs.
I wanted to point out something about what Trump said during that meeting...
“You’re in a bad position right now. You don’t have the cards.”
My understanding is that Ukraine did have the cards, they were called nukes, but they gave them up for peace and guarantees of protection from the United States, and others, against invasion.
And then, they got invaded.
Twice.
Edit: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion
Edit2: Always pay attention to what the other hand is doing.
That was one of the most disgusting and rage-inducing videos I've ever seen. I would not have been able to restrain myself from punching Trump in the fucking nose if he had talked to me like that. I'm not a tough guy or violent in any way, and the Secret Service would have killed me, but the way he yells such insulting things at a world leader who is trying to save millions of lives... holy crap. And then Vance jumps in and claims he never said Thank You. I would've kicked him in the nuts and said, "thank you, now I feel better."
This was a setup from the get go. They had no intention of signing any deal. This was all to get him in front of cameras with them so they could piss on his face and act like tough guys.
Few takeaways:
- JD Vance is talking over a tired-looking trump who can't follow the conversation (See, him trying to correct Zelenskyy on the date of Crimea's annexation, claiming it was 2015, then responding to being corrected on the date that, "I wasn't there". Like he was there in 2015, LOL).
- This was a preplanned ambush that is the most cringe fucking thing I've seen in the last 5 years, from MTG's fucking boyfriend (I wish I made this up, I really do), attacking Zelenskyy for not wearing a suite, to which he responds by saying "I'll wear a costume after the war is over. Like yours, but maybe better"
- JD Vance is really really bad at acting. He theatrically exclaims how the Oval office is being dIsReSPecTed!!!111!!! but with like a 5 second delay and with limited enthusiasm. All it does it tells you that this was the plan all along.
- Marco Rubio had a Dr Birx/drink bleach kind of moment there.
Overall the only news here is trump is really really declining cognitively. I wonder how long it will take NYT to notice that....
Zelensky was(is?) a comedian.
Sit him next to Trump and Vance (who are jokes), of course this was going to happen.
Zekenskyy did the best he could; he came in humility and he really didn't have any cards at that table. He had no cards because he didn't come to play, he came to capitulate to the whims of a tyrant to try and save the lives of his countrymen by signing a one-sided deal.
That video will go down in history as one of the greatest moments of infamy in this age - if there were any justice Trump and the puppet masters behind him should be tried for the spark that lit the third world war.
This hurt me to watch and it hurts me to see people supporting Trump's actions.
Suppose for whatever reason that you do disagree with providing more aid. Was humiliating the leader of another nation in this manner justified at all? Were these the actions that any reasonable, dignified leader would make? You could have just refused to meet with him and told him no. Instead they dehumanized him, made him grovel and beg for support from their king full well knowing he was just going to say no anyways.
I keep trying to look for some good in the people of this nation, to see that there's still some humanity left, but I don't think there is at this point.
I just watched the last half of the full meeting. Zelensky asked what guarantees there are the Russians won't just invade again. The subtext of which is an offer to house US troops in Ukraine. But all the fucking clown car heard was a challenge to their machismo.
So they shouted him down and just loudly asserted he would either sign their deal or fight it out. Along the way they manage to insult him by treating him like a child and pretending that previous broken agreements, (invasion of Crimea, Invasion of Donetsk, and Invasion of Ukraine) were because Putin didn't respect the American President enough. But Putin is also the victim in all of this according to Trump.
I've seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
For more subtext, if there were any real guarantees then this would not have happened in the meeting with the press. Zelensky would have told reporters there were guarantees. This entire blow up means that Trump already told him there would be no guarantees other than the honor system. Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won't invade while he's president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump's term is over. And that's without getting into all of the implications about Putin holding this over Trump's head for concessions so Trump can appear to be the peacemaker.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We're fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn't a peacemaker, he's Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
Someone needs to end the reign of Trump. What a waste of energy, piece of shit. Burn in hell.
President Zelensky visited the USA to sign the rare earth mineral mining deal. The US mining executives were salivating over a deal to extract minerals from Ukraine like they do from Africa. Poof, Just Dumb and Orange Nero followed their Kremlin script, added a US temper tantrum and blew the fuck out of the deal. Ukraine will sell mining rights to the EU members, with exception to shitbags from Hungary, Slovakia and perhaps Italy. The executives who supported the deal must be pissed off.
I am going to be the least surprised person in the world when there is a "terrorist attack" against America that gets linked to pissed off Ukrainians.
America is no longer a soveriegn state, its a meat puppet thats beholden to Corpo-Fascists, Israel, and the Russian Mafia.
Ukraine might as well terminate relations with the US, and join hands with Europe and get ready for larger war, because thats the only place this is going.
Ukrainian/American diplomacy on ending the war is pointless, America is on the side of Russia, and Russia has no intention of peace, they want Ukraine to cease to exist. There is nothing to talk about anymore.
Good for zelensky for standing up for what he thinks is right.
Business? What about democracy and freedom? Why is this about fucking business? What a tool.
As a real American I am embarrassed and very sorry to Zelenskyy and all the people of Ukraine.
"I heard it from Putin."
At least he got to drop that one off.
Trump: "just cease fire, bro"
Zelensky: "any security guarantees?"
Trump: "just stop shooting bullets, bro"
Zelensky: "we're defending our c..."
Trump: "YOU'RE LITERALLY WORLD WAR 3 RIGHT NOW"
Krasnov gonna krasnov.
"Everything feels increasingly like a scam"
I'm so sorry, I'm so embarrassed and not for my country, I don't even live there. I'm sorry for humanity
Even /r/conservative (I couldn’t resist looking) is not cool with this. I’m not saying that Trump is suddenly done for, but this is clearly a major fracture and he needs to do something about it before people start feeling emboldened and challenge him.
Let me be clear: I hope he doesn’t do shit and doubles down.
I dislike authoritarian egomaniacs like Trump, Musk, Melei, Johnson, Orban, Putin and all of their supporters who are very aware of their wrongdoings.
I don't dislike the people suffering from those evil doers. I would gladly welcome the UK back to the EUl, celebrate freedom the the people of the USA and drunk Wodka with Russians as long as were all nice to one another.
It's not about nations but about people.
I couldn’t watch it all. I felt embarrassed. What the fuck does Russian interference in a U.S. election have to do with Russia trying to take over Ukraine?
Clearly Trump believes he has some friendship with Putin that would influence this whole conflict.
If anyone had doubts about the US switching to Russia's side, this is it.
The US is already suspending help to Ukraine.
Trump is such a disgusting thing
This is just so painful to watch. Embarassing does not even begin to describe it.
"you're wrong about what's going on in your own country. I done seen it on ma boob toob"
I hope Zelensky travelled all the way there to tell him to go and fuck himself to his face.
This was absolutely insane. This is what happens when the empire no longer needs you.
Diplomacy by reality TV—Trump's Oval Office antics are reckless on the world stage.
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If you are European, I would start taking heed of your government's warnings of the past year, and understand that your country will be openly at war with Russia very soon.
if you are American, I would start getting used to the idea that Civil War is probably inevitable.
If you are Canadian, Start taking lessons from the history of Vietnam, Iraq, Finland, and Ukraine. Its going to be especially bad for us. Surrounded by enemies and our Allies an ocean away and dealing with their own war with Russia
If you are Russian, get ready to die as the bunker grandfather uses you like cattle.
If you are Chinese, get ready to win by doing nothing.
If you are a New Zealander, Any room left?
"Cease fire" is a Russian word and means "we pause and attack again a few years"
Trump is too stupid to understand it.
Wow that went worse than I thought it would. TBH I was thinking he might actually pull off a win here.
I'm left with my original thought that Trump is actively trying to destroy America. Everything he and Elon are doing seems to be doing nothing but undermine standing and stability. Truly mind bending. I wonder when/if MAGA will snap from the trance.
Absolutely disgusting, and an utter disgrace. And, sadly, not surprising in the slightest.
Trump and Vance responded like two people way out of their element, arrogant but incompetent and frustrated that things aren't working the way they think it should be but unable to see why. Not only are they on the wrong side of history here, they're not capable enough leaders to handle it in any way and they've proven it today.
Worry for America because its enemies see this incompetence and weakenss too.
Trump is a volatile, mercurial, shallow fool. One minute he’s Zelenskyy’s buddy, next he’s ranting about him.
Probably got spanked by Putin for being nice, so now he’s back to being a bastard.
This has to be a put on. All of the deal making gets done beforehand. Two leaders sitting down and making a deal on video is symbolic, all of the groundwork is long done before it gets to this point. Trump and company are putting on a show for the camera
