Why couldn't we have created Israel in Utah?

Not disagreeing that the US does a lot of fuckery in the middle east but I think it's ultimately the UK that started the mess.

EDIT: West Texas is pretty empty. Israel can have it all.

That mess is older than even the UK. The Ottoman Empire cobbled together peoples who didn’t have anything to do with each other way earlier.
Random Youtube video that I’m parrotting without double-checking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN4mnVLP0rU
- Youtube videos are a disaster in historical accuracy.
  The Ottoman empire was stable. They had beef with Armenia. But that only turned into the Armenian genocide after the Turks turned secular.
  The empire was not a beacon of wealth but it was nothing like the crackpot the middle east has turned into since British and French colonialism.
- The Ottomans were quite permissive of other cultures, you just has to pay higher tax as a non-muslim, but they left you in peace.
  After the British conspired to incite uprisings in the Ottomans, that's when they came down hard on their subjects to quell any further uprisings (it didn't work)
- I still think its fair to blame whoever is responsible for allowing the current Israel to be founded. Just should not have happened.

Missing a few flags there.

The UK def missing.
- The vast majority of earths problems can be traced back to the brits. Including America.

Utah? We should have created it in Germany. We were already partitioning the country, they started the Holocaust which necessitated a Jewish homeland, and most of the people who would move to Israel were from Europe and used to its climate.

Yep, shoulda just done this
That said the zionist movement predates WW2, and the balfour declaration is one of the major culprits, so carving out half of england would've also been a solution.
- Jokes aside if it was only about having a safe space for the jewish they would have taken the Jewish Autonomous Oblast but they wanted that specific region for historical reasons and that is why they would have rejected the South German State of Israel the same way they ultimately rejected the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and by shrinking the German State (East and West combined compared to the Weimar Republic) to 1/3 of their previous size you would effectively end up with some hybrid form of the Palestine problem and the Donbass problem.
  Personally I would have chosen an island like Sardegna where random invasions from your neighbours are unlikely but I think at the end they'd still have resettled Palestine even if you gave them the whole of Britain.

You just invented mormons again

Judging by the downvotes, a lot of Lemmitors have no idea how the world works. Just living in the Marvel Cinematic Universe—must be nice.

Lemmings
Counter productive and hypocritical to put people into convenient groups like that to shield your opinions against any form of criticism. Well done, you've earned a block.

This is a shit shitpost.

Well too be fair, Lawrence of Arabia tapped into existing resentment up forment his revolt

There's always been differing interests in the middle east, whether it's religious, ethnic or something else. To say otherwise takes away from the agency of the people living there

God didn't give the Jews Utah, they got from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates in Iraq. So say the magic scrolls.

Which should pretty much be understood as the Zionist goal to claim as the lands of Israel. They will not stop until they have it. They will keep doing incremental land grabs after wars that they goad others into starting, as they have done with Palestine.

Regardless of whether the magic scrolls were ever the reason, they aren’t now, at least not for many Jews. Most Jews aren’t even really religious. The magic scrolls are a rationalization, an excuse, not a reason. The reason is Western settler-colonialism.
Many American gentile Zionists are religious though.

Because the Mormons took the land from the natives 'first'.

Hasn't the middle east been around for like 30x as long as the US has though

US is not free of blame of course but it was the colonial powers that ruled the region who intentionally started the fire.
- That area has been the subject of war and destruction since it was first settled thousands of years ago. The colonial powers and later the US didn't help but let's not act like that area was ever anything but an ongoing war.
4,000 years according to the Bible.
- Same as the moon then.

We kind of did create israel in utah. But for people who thought Jesus came over to America with the pilgrims and that they have magic underwear that will shield them from harm rather than for the people who thought that their God told them to cut part of their kids' penises off, they couldn't eat shellfish, and used to commit genocides on the reg but has inexplicably stopped for the last couple thousand years or so.

At one point, Grand Island (NY) was proposed as a Jewish homeland. Definitely not enough room.

Definitely way too many people in Utah. The environment here is stressed. Not even talking about the political environment. Already way too many religious extremists.

same reason theres no sunday 'day of the week' panties. because god