Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales from June
Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales from June
Ministers say the move is intended to prevent environmental damage and protect children's health.
Obviously prohibition doesn't work, but banning disposables specifically should be mandated everywhere. It is insane that a product that contains rechargeable lithium batteries is not rechargeable, or if it is it must be thrown away after less than a month.
I think in this case prohibition should work fine...
The alternative is just... Get a non-disposable one and learn a bit of maintenance. Jesus.
Disposable vapes are easier to hide from parents since you can just throw them away, and also you don't have to worry too much if your teacher confiscates them because they're disposable.
With a non-disposable vape, suddenly things become a lot harder for vaping teenagers.
I'm not suggesting we let teenagers vape, I'm just saying there's a reason teenagers like the disposable ones.
I use a disposable vape now and I was adamant about not using one because of the wastefulness, until they banned flavored vape liquid in my state.
It started to get really hard to buy coils for my vape, because it became unprofitable for these companies to operate here, and then even harder to find the liquid I enjoy.
Non-disposable ones tend to be bulky too. Not to mention the maintenance is a huge pain in the ass. The non-disposable vapes tend to leak. Doesn't matter which one you use. If you don't prime the coil correctly they burn out in a few puffs, and you just wasted 5+ bucks on the coil you've been searching for. Coils only tend to last a few days to a week as well. So you're always on this search to find coils. Also reusable ones only last for a few months to maybe a year anyway (if you're lucky), then you have to spend 100+ on a new one.
Sure you could get the little pod ones but now you're being wasteful because you can't reuse those either, and break twice as fast.
Now I can buy 2 disposables that last a month, don't leak, don't take a lot of real estate in my pocket, are significantly cheaper, is easier to find, and the flavor is always consistent.
I would've been fine with my reusable one until they banned the products that allowed me to use it.
So yeah prohibition doesn't work. You ban this people will just go back to smoking. Which is just as wasteful and way more toxic.
Well it'll work in this case because they're not banging people from doing something they're banning companies from doing something.
If a product is not available for sale then it's difficult for people to purchase it
Not really, in places with decriminalized but not legal weed there's still a lot of weed in all forms being distributed.
What will make this work is that they didn't ban flavors or non disposable vape devices.
People throw them out of their car windows too. I see them on the ground all the time. Insanity.
Oh free lithium batteries. I've got a decent sized stash of cells salvaged from disposables. Some of their cases I want to use as project boxes for esp devices.
Will be sad once the supply dries up for us electronics folks.
The disposable black market & associated disproportionate rise in youth vaping in Australia results from the illegality of all vapes, not just disposables. It's hard to imagine it becoming a burgeoning black market predicated solely on that vapers find the highly available, better value, relatively environmentally friendly option untenable. Overall a sensible move I think coming from a pro-vape perspective
What was the rationale for banning all vapes in Australia? Seems excessive. Are cigarettes banned too?
To address youth vaping. The outcome of that has been that youth vaping is significantly higher than in other OECD member countries, and kids are now getting them from the 'vape dealer' whom may have other illicit drugs available. Cigarettes aren't banned, only made unaffordable via progressive excise tax. That's had its own unintended consequences of launching a new market for "chop chop" i.e. illegally grown unprocessed tobacco, as well as black market imports that sidestep the plain packaging laws, and tobacco gang wars in Sydney and Melbourne.
Tobacco companies weren't making money off them, no juul equivalent here, nothing from Marlboro/Phillip Morris ECT. Big lobbies to push the government. A year past the ban on vapes and I can still find them everywhere.... Except from the doctors and pharmacies that are meant to be selling legal replacements.
Cigarettes and tobacco products are highly taxed. Why they didn’t go down that route I’ll never understand.
Good. We had perfectly reasonable rebuildables for so long.
And then Juul made disposables popular and in came waves of China disposables.
Good start. Now expand to all current and future battery devices. Honestly, disposable battery devices are a bad, out of date idea. Doing nothing but long term harm to the environment.
But nothing will change until firms are forced to do so. It's just time until the next huge disposable trend if it is not addressed now.
Shouldve been banned three years ago, but those investors wouldn’t make buck. Now that they did we can care for the environment.
we need a clean, biodegradable version of vapes. maybe use some form of paper? and instead of juice just use the actual leaves from the tobacco plant
Why paper? Why not just use the leaves?
And instead of pasteurizing it and adding a bunch of chemicals, we just let it sit and develop on its own? Naturally fermented like everything else that tastes complex and amazing?
We just invented cigars.
And pipe tobacco! I have a collection of tobacco blends I'm aging.
Use my vape (with rechargeable batteries) for addiction maintenance.
Tobacco is too pleasurable a luxury to give up. Harm reduction is the way to go for me.
Good. The batteries alone being disposable is insane. https://stoke.nub.news/news/local-news/staffordshire-university-graduate-uses-disposable-vape-batteries-to-power-electric-scooter-197624
not smoke/vape related.. but I remember buying a couple of these one shot power banks. Disposable thing, it was in like a pouch rather than a case. I did some googling... it looked a lot like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Boostrcharge-Pre-Charged-Emergency-Hurricane-Preparedness/dp/B0BGMK7NWV?th=1
link disclaimer, DO NOT buy this crap
but it was about 10 years ago, they were like a quid each and I think I saw a basket of them at a market stall or something and I got 2. Anyway, lived in my work rucksack for a very long time, never being needed. I lost one, and the otherone the pouch got a bit damaged, so I thought sod it, lets open it.
Couldn't believe it, I was expecting a bunch of alkaline button batteries connected together through a little zener circuit, but no, it was a straight up lithium ion battery.
It should surprise me, but not anymore. It must be economies of scale making lithium batteries the cheapest thing to do now.
Wow, I normally don't think of England when it comes to countries who have their shit together!
Don’t get used to it.
One time I saw England return a library book on time. It made me so proud.
I think we just get by by knowing we're better than Northern Ireland.
But not disposable lighters?
disposable vapes come with built in lithium batteries, while (most) disposable lighters don’t. so there is a very real difference between the two. but disposal lighters are also stupidly wasteful, so it would be nice to ban those as well.
Lighters last a super long time and they don’t contain batteries which is the real concern.
I've never seen a "disposable" lighter that didn't have a gas filling hole.
Aside from the myraid of good arguments about why this is a good thing to be happening.
Having, in a past attempt to quit smoking, used a few. The ones that they tried to make look like a cigarette.
Yeah they are really awful, utterly horrid. I'd rather suck turd out a camels arse. Turned out I'd also rather just stop entirely (sorry, I only lasted about 18 months. but I will mange it)
Hear that noise? That's the sound of organized criminal smuggling gangs celebrating being given their new market.
Disposable vapes, not vapes in general
Banning disposable vapes are just a strictly positive thing
I really can't see that happening when perfectly legal alternatives are like 20 quid. People aren't exactly going out of the way to do things via the illegal method, just because
No I don't hear a noise like that.
People should be boofing nicotine pouches like God intended anyhow.
Yeah, good luck with that. Nobody is regulating any of it so the rules might as well be advisory only.
Seemingly every dodgy corner shop sells high strength disposable vapes already, so I don't know why they'd stop because of this...
In the same fashion that cigarettes are no longer on display in stores this will absolutely have an effect. The supply chain will eventually evaporate so once stores are out of stock it'll no longer be common place. Sure, they could be imported but stores that don't comply won't be common and will stick out easily.
I don't think cigarettes being out of view lead to their decrease, nor all the warnings or pictures of diseases. It's more that they cost about £15 a pack. Honestly feels like weed has already overtaken cigarettes.
I know they mean well, and disposables are spectacularly wasteful, but I can also see the appeal of a cheap, no maintenance, no mess, no faff vape.
And from a purely selfish point of view, I'd rather smell Fruit Salad smelling vapes everywhere than cigarettes or more bloody weed.
Right and how are they going to get new stock exactly? When they ban something they ban the import of them as well not just the sale.
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TBH I like an elfbar sometimes. But I know how unsustainable they are, buying one feels worse than buying cocaine or meat or insert whatever fun and ethically challenging item.
I've never managed to replicate the disposable taste with a reusable vape, and I've had experience with reusables. Anyone know if it's doable?