US startup charging couples to ‘screen embryos for IQ’
US startup charging couples to ‘screen embryos for IQ’
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US startup charging couples to ‘screen embryos for IQ’
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"Given these three steps, what's the logical fourth one?"
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"God this embryo is an idiot."-
Doesn’t even know the basic strats for these pattern questions, SMH, Do You Even IQ Test? (trying to start DYEIQT)
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Good luck having an embryo pass an iq test. Most of them can't even read.
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Legitimately though, it's a nonsensical metric to screen on.
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The thing with IVF is that it's already incredibly weirdly eugenicist.
Like, read some of the parameters they'd screen you for if you wanted to donate sperm. You get bonus points for having a PhD? I'm sorry? You're looking for a better-educated sperm?
And when you apply for IVF and choose a donor you get their education and job. "I want my cum to be a pilot!" The fuck.
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Lamarckian eugenics!
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IVF isn’t required if fertility concerns or frozen eggs aren’t involved, they can give you the home game.
And it should be no surprise that sperm banks want to be able to compete on the “quality” of their donors.
Just watch out for the bank that is 75% doctor jizz but it’s all from the proprietor.
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A fertility doctor here in Sweden took sperm from men who were undergoing investigations for infertiliy and used it as donor sperm.
Imagine their surprise when decades later they found out they had kids.
Not sure why he chose those particular samples, maybe all he had available.
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I think it's understandable. Intelligence is partly hereditary and people want clever children. Education and job can give you at least an overall idea of the person you're having a child with. It's kind of weird anyway to have a child with someone random, isn't it?
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I didn't understand how the hell the "pro-life" crowd would cheer for IVF since it entails destroying plenty of embryos. Now I understand: it's the opportunity for some good old fashioned eugenics.
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They’re not cheering. Evangelical anti-abortion activists have long targeted IVF and it’s been practically banned in at least one US state.
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Reminds me of how marriage advice has its roots in white supremacy. (CW: a lot. self harm, SA, abuse)
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I would definitely hate to be burdened with an IQ. Such a terrible thing to be born with
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Only if burdened with emotional intermittence, as well.
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GATTICA! GATTICA! GATTICA!
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GATTACATS would be the most cursed musical possible and every day I give thanks that we live in a world where it doesn't exist.
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Just you wait, someone in Hollywood might see your post and get ideas
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Won't one crucial difference be that Gattaca's genetic selection actually worked? This will be a techbro "move fast and break things" con job.
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Just one step along the way...
It'll be here soon enough.
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Scott Alexander pokes his head up out of the astroturf and whispers, "It's showtime."
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Gross, but I'm not shocked. IVF and prenatal genetics screening is big business, it was really only a matter of time until someone tried pulling this. As much as it shouldn't be the case, the 'line must go up' edict holds in the medical business too. I know some large lab services companies that are likely watching groups like this with great interest (but letting them take the risks first, which is smart because this is a con).
My hope is that someone squashes this and we keep screening limited to risks for severe developmental disorders (which, even still, is at least a little ethically problematic) and conditions that lower the probability of the pregnancy coming to term. But we'll see - there's gold in dem der embryos.
Edit: Read the original investigative article. Modern Nazis are reportedly involved. Again, gross, but not shocked. https://investigations.hopenothate.org.uk/superbaby-factory/
Would love to see further independent verification from a non-activism-focused source (to be clear, I am not saying the investigators are being irresponsible in their reporting), but the way newsroom budgets have been slashed these days, it's really only outlets like this doing actual, old school investigative work.
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If I only have about fifty embryos, can I pay $50k to have them scanned now and have another 50 embryo scans left on my account or do I have to have all of them on hand immediately?
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training your sperm to pass raven's progressive matrices
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At least corvids are smart. Better that than some birdbrain's progressive matrices.
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I actually read a Red Dwarf fanfic about this once where Rimmer's parents had paid for embryo selection to make sure all their kids had high IQs and good genes because they wanted to make sure they all got into the Space Corps
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Gattaca is here now.
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Well, in the same way that Mars colonies are here now. Techbros with more money than sense throwing it at things with futuristic aesthetics doesn’t make them real.
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Can we do this after they're born, grow up, and acquire a drivers license?
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There's one born every minute, this is a great way to have them self-select for financial benefit.
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oh great, commercial eugenics
We knew it was bound to happen sometime with capitalism
Better than traditional genocidal eugenics.
(psst. hey buddy. all eugenics is genocidal. It’s in the fucking name. Also. racism and fascism have historically been sanitised and presented as scientific or commercial endeavours. They’re the cornerstones of capitalism. Think of how the weapons industry is printing money because of israel’s decades long genocide against the palestinians.)
how about we aim for no eugenics, not just the least objectionable sort
A depressingly low bar. Also, [Citation Needed]
I'm not so sure about that. If they are able to make it generally affordable, they could make quite the impact trough corruption or just keeping things quiet