The myth of black capitalism

White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.

Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.

White capitalism
This is just called capitalism.
- I mean, it gives deference to rich people, but when it was legal to discriminate against POC, they had a massive disadvantage in pretty much every aspect of their lives. Not perfect, but much improved now...
Africans enslaved and sold other Africans by the millions for centuries before white people arrived on the continent. Though they certainly made it worse when they did.
- People enslaved their opponents in war for essentially as long as humans have existed, until we decided slavery was an evil we should avoid. However, this was not generally chattel slavery. Usually their offspring were not slaves and they were not bread to create more slaves, like livestock.
  This is a good read if you want to learn more.
- I'm not sure you have enough of a historical framework on population to make the claim you're mindlessly repeating, but I appreciate that you "people" out yourselves so readily so normal humans can avoid you. Good luck on truth social or Facebook or x I guess.
Capitalism and slavery are incompatible.
- Why not? Capitalism is private control over the factors of production - it's not "equal freedom" or anything like that. The American South was capitalist during chattel slavery.
  And that's not even getting into wage slavery.
- I don't know who stole your history book, but you should probably go look for it.
- I'm just going to assume this is sarcastic, because I refuse to believe that anyone actually believes this, even eager capitalists, themselves.
  If it's somehow not sarcastic, you are either ridiculously ignorant about the world and it's history, or blatantly lying.

Rest in power. Fuck the Chicago PD.
- It's so, so sad that none of them, or the FBI, has had to pay for their crimes. Not to mention all the other murders the US has committed around the globe. The people who planned and carried out these murders haven't paid for them in the slightest.
Excuse me, may I deposses you of this image? It would be a fine addition to my collection.
- Of course, memes are communal.

That's fair, but that's all the more reason why it is the duty of Leftists to read and spread Marxist theory!
- "THAT'S COMMIENISM!!! POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!!" - average reaction to anything from the left
"I resent the average american, someone smarter like me should dictate their lives"
Not a criticism of you, you're free to have your own opinion. I'm just saying the quiet part out loud.
- You're arguing against your imagination.
- I find it confusing why you put that in quotes, then suggest it's not necessarily their opinion, but following it up by implying that was the implied statement.
  The guy just said American political literacy is embarrassingly lacking, which is far worse than what is needed for a functional democracy. Which has nothing to do with your "interpretation"

Capitalism can't help anyone out of poverty at least not without exploiting masses.

I think it's fucking bullshit they murdered Fred Hampton and got away with it.

I would imagine that anyone familiar with his story, that happens to have any semblance of critical thinking skills, feels the same way.
Anyone who has both characteristics above, and still dismisses Fred Hampton's assassination as justified, is an enemy.
And then people wonder where the modern-day civil rights leaders are. The U.S. government will murder anyone who gains the ability to upset the status quo. The best we're going to get is social media personalities like Dr. Umar and comedians like Charlamagne Tha God.

Capitalism has race now? Or are they suggesting to use race as a product?

"Black capitalism" is historically the approach of some African American* communities and individuals to resist racial oppression by embracing capitalism and out-competing whites in it, essentially. This met its most famous manifestation in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which developed a wealthy black capitalist class, but neighboring white towns got mad at this and basically leveled a good portion of the town and killed many people. For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.
The most famous "black capitalism" proponent is the Jamaican-born American Marcus Garvey, who some Rastafarians worship as a prophet. To poison the well immediately, he was supported by the KKK in his projects to send African Americans "back to" Africa, because their ideologies and aims of ethnonationalism broadly aligned.
*It's mostly an American thing, but it's not exclusively an American thing by any means
- For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.
  The easy answer is that racism destroyed Tulsa, not capitalism. Were it not for racist fucks, that experiment would have worked wonderfully. But that's a tale as old as time, unfortunately.
- So.. corporate collusion between black businesses owners? I suppose that would equalize the market a bit if they do manage to kick down corps like amazon
Capitalism has always had a form of race, but it's a social hierarchy.
Class.
It has always been class. The lie that gets sold to middle America is that one day, they too will be of a higher class.

You know that's really a brilliant rebuttal.

Or maybe race doesn't really exist outside our dumb little brains and capitalism was the real problem all along

Not to imply that ethnic/cultural tensions never existed before in history, but capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression, and of pitting working class people against each other.
- capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression
  Except that is simply not true. Capitalism is far more recent that racism, unless of course you define capitalism as just "everything bad". Racism exist because of tribalism and collectivism, capitalism is a recent individualist system- and individualism amongst governments is fairly recent.
Brains are part of the world, and so are human behaviors. So long as racism exists, race as a sociological category is undeniably real.
- Indeed brains are real and we are really fucking good at making the consequences of said brain's beliefs just as real. But, recognizing that things such as race have absolutely no scientific, empirical basis whatsoever is kinda a really important step in repairing the racist damage that we've done. Race is only useful in sociology as long as we continue to pretend it exists, otherwise it serves no purpose other than as an excuse to hate each other.

I had to read the second post twice to understand what it’s saying due to the non-standard grammar. But I’m a foreign speaker.

I’m asking an honest question out of curiosity: Was this easily legible to you?

I’m a native English speaker and had no issue… but I come across (or hear) contractions like “ain’t” often enough that it barely registers as being non-standard… just much less formal, really. Some punctuation might’ve helped you here.
- At least like one comma could have done a lot...
Yes, it was very clear (native speaker here). Something like this is more commonly spoken than written, so I can see why it might be confusing. If your experiencing with English is more formal (via education, reading, etc) vs talking to a whole bunch of different people, that would explain it.
Was this easily legible to you?
Yes, very easily.
English doesn't have one standard grammar, but yeah this was pretty easy to understand for me.
"Ain't" can be kind of difficult. It can mean "are not," "am not," "is not," "has not," or "have not." Aside from that, the statements should be separated with a period, and "it's" was used instead of "is it." Also, they use "the fuck" instead of "what the fuck."
"Ain't" is pretty common in casual speech now, and the rest is relatively common in internet speech, so it was pretty easy to read for me.
"Capitalism hasn't solved white people's poverty. What the fuck is it going to do for us?"
I think the linguists call it African American Vernacular English. It's completely reasonable for you to not understand it from the outside looking in.
- ain't
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The main disconnect is they contracted "is it" into "it's" when "it's" is normal a posessive like that is mine, e.g. it's mine. Aka "the fuck is it going to do" or "the fuck's it going to do" would have been correct. At least I think so as a native speaker but someone with more knowledge on grammar might have more insight.

I agree, white capitalism is so last year, get with the latest fashion and use black capitalism.

It is past September.

True? Yes.

Funny? Not really.

/c/depressing would be a better fit

agitprop does tend to get miscategorized, but "capitalism didn't solve white poverty," as-rendered there, registers to me as a grim punchline.

Socialism is a cancer and Capitalism is, uh what cures cancer?

Your first (and only) premise is highly vulnerable. Socialism and cancer are two different things.

FD Signifier is THE youtuber that i listen to on black issues, and this reminds me a lot of this video

Dunno poverty rates have dropped immensely since the introduction of capitalist systems.

No, most of the world is capitalist, and most of the world is poor. Only a minority of imperialist capitalist countries, primarily in europe and the US, have wealthier populations due to hundreds of years of colonial exploitation.
In fact world poverty is increasing, if we exclude China and it's poverty eradication efforts.
- The world was significantly poorer and wealth was much more concentrated before
If you're comparing things to what existed before capitalism was coined, sure. Yeah, we're doing better than literal fudalism, which was still a capital and hierarchy based system. No one is asking for a return to fudalism though! It very easy to say "we're doing better than them so we need not try to improve." It's not helping anyone though, except those who benefit from maintaining the status quo.
- Karl Marx praised capitalism as an upgrade from feudalism, and for it's effect on the advancement of technology. It's obvious that capitalism was a step up from feudalism, but that's not the point.
  The point is that capitalism eventually evolves to a stage where it is worse for civilization as a whole, than it is beneficial, and we are at that stage now(have been for a long time). We are depleting all of the Earth's resources at a very unsustainable rate, and wealth inequality is back to the point where it was with feudalism, if not worse.
  You brought up a good point that no one is asking for a return to past systems. We are looking to evolve to a system that will sustain us as a species, long term. Some people can't understand that Capitalism won't work forever, and it will eventually destroy us. We have had smart people telling us this for hundreds of years now, too.
Doesn't matter when the cost of living is outpacing wages, the poverty line is held artificially low and the wealth gap is growing absurdly fast. Material conditions are getting significantly worse, and telling people "uhm actually the poverty rate is lower" doesn't help people pay rent or put food on the table.
Feudalism is alive and well and it's name is capitalism, and I'm not alluding to some vague comparison I mean it literally. Farmers in the US specifically are increasingly working land they do not own because it's bought up by investors and private equity. Bill Gates owns a fuck ton of farmland but he sure as hell isn't working it.

Capitalist action to support communist ideals.

Analysis of true, lifetime cost tacked onto the purchase price.