Israel detonates Hezbollah walkie-talkies in second wave after pager attack

So, what Israel is admitting here, is that they could individually pinpoint and target Hamas but instead carpet bombed Palestine into genocide.

supply chain attacks are dirty tactics too, they have no idea who is holding 3000 pagers when detonation.
- For smartphones they actually could, they could tie the lipo pack serial number to the imei and work everything out from there.
  Then make sure it's been unlocked via biometrics within a second or so.
  It's very rare that someone else holds a phone to be unlocked for you, though it does happen, still the closest to a targeted kill.
They literally knew about the attack before it happened. Genocide was always the primary goal.
Israel is obviously behind the attacks but has not taken responsibility for them yet. So no, they're not admitting anything.
This is the key thing here. People can whine about this attack, but this was targeted and it worked with low collateral damage, which also makes it legal (as in not a war crime).
The problem is everything else that Israel is doing since Oct 7, causing 1/3 of the Palestinian casualties to be children.
- The very nature of a supply chain sabotage like this is indiscriminate.
- It's low collateral damage the same way a suicide bomber is. So, I guess, your IDF-brained take is suicide bombers are low casualty and precise.
- Human Rights Watch :
  Customary international humanitarian lawprohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction.

If this was the other way around, we'd have global outrage, days of mourning and piles of new weapons for Israel right now. We'd be speaking about one of the worst terrorist attacks in history.

Bingo.
This was a stupid decision by Israel. They have given the green light to mass attacks through consumer products. Can they really afford to protect all their imported products (electronics, food, water, etc) from every type of attack?
- There is no intelligence behind genocide.

Five years ago, if you had asked me if Israel would be committing terrorist attacks across Palestine, Lebanon and beyond, I would have said absolutely not.

I would have been wrong, even back then, but jesus fucking christ, what an absolute shambles.

How my government supports this state-sponsored terrorism is beyond me.

Hezbollah are enemy combatants. These were ordered by and for Hezbollah. Israel isn't targeting non-combatants.
- They verified that all of the devices were in the possession of Hezbollah before they detonated them?
  Is what why their pager terrorism killed a child and caused 2000+ injuries, including dismemberment of other children?
  Now they just repeated it, I'm sure with the same disregard for living people they have already shown.
- Israel isn’t targeting non-combatants
  How many thousands of children have been slaughtered by Israeli troops?
  If you want to be pedantic, and you're talking only about this specific attack, children were killed in these pager/walkie-talkie blasts too. Are they enemy combatants to you?
  Don't be a genocide apologist.
- Doesn't really matter if they weren't targeted if they still ended up dead.
- So, like, are Israeli reservists fair game for terror attacks?
- Just anyone in an airplane or bus or subway with them
- Hezbollah is a political party as well as a paramilitary group. What if Canada did this to The Oath Keepers or CSPOA or The Proud Boys or another group in the US? They're all objectively bad people, buy only a few have committed terrorist attacks. Do they all and the people who happen to be around them deserve to die by a foreign government's actions?
Zios have been using terrorism for 75+ years with full imperial support.

Call it for what it is, a terrorist attack.

The media condemned political violence against Trump in unison one month ago.

Israel commits one of the biggest terrorist attacks against a Lebanese political organization in history and the media claps.

My concern twofold
A: Without evidence I have a hard time seeing planting bombs in devices was solely targeted at fighters. Odds are an entire shipment was targeted and many people who weren't Hezbollah received bombs
B: Blowing up devices that were by definition carried everywhere certainly killed families and associates who didn't deserve to die.
During the Iraqi war we considered Iraqi leadership targets and I wouldn't have been surprised if they considered our leadership targets as well. If they had in fact only killed Hezbollah I would have no problem with the attack.
- In Iraq every Iraqi civilian was considered a valid target.
- They were probably mostly in the hands of Hezbollah members, if not fighters. This is probably why they went off in hospitals as well. Lots of medics who volunteer who's normal job is being a doctor in a Beirut hospital. Lots of logistics and people hiding weapons in the back of buildings for them.
  They're not full time militants if I understand correctly. Most of these people will have civilian lives and jobs to go to.
  Certainly some innocent family members died. There's no such thing as a completely surgical strike. It is better than what they've been doing in Gaza though, by several orders of magnitude. I don't think anybody can defend what's been going on there with a straight face.

Lotta Hezbollah flags in that crowd, was that some kind of funeral procession from yesterday’s pagers?

Yes, a funeral procession for 4 members.
- Exponential funeral growth.
If your state was under attack by genocidal terrorists, wouldn't you support the resistance?

This is a super-villain plan becoming a reality.

So if I understand correctly, Israel managed to get a bunch of people in Hezbollah to use pagers and walkie talkies that contained bombs. But they have not been able to gather enough intelligence from control of those communication devices to find and rescue the remaining hostages? And if they weren’t able to catch useful information from those devices, why did the people holding those devices deserve to get blown up?

You are forgetting one simple fact. They don’t care about the hostages.
- Oh, they definitely do, in their own way.
The hostages are in Gaza, not Lebanon. If Israel had this level of infiltration with Hamas, it is unlikely this would've started in the first place
- If only the nazis had infiltrated the warsaw ghetto... \s \s \s
So if I understand correctly, Israel managed to get a bunch of people in Hezbollah to use pagers and walkie talkies that contained bombs.
Think about it like, there's one person who was able to tell the perpetrators of this that a big order of communication devices is being made.
Perpetrators are clearly sophisticated so it's fair to assume they can throw some skilled team at it.
This attack could be years in the making.
- From a spy craft and capabilities standpoint it’s an amazing attack. I’m skeptical that using the devices as bombs is more useful than using them for spying, but who knows? It is super fucked up that random people who happen to be near the targets could be hurt. But between that and the stuxnet attack, it’s safe to say that Israel is capable of crazy sophisticated attacks.
- I heard 5 months, forgot where from.

If this carries on, we'll have exploding semaphore flags by the end of the week.

Shit, we use the same radios at work. Hope no-one blew up.

I saw this on Reddit first while I was checking my city subreddit, damn the headline there definitely gives a different impression.

(The comments are all mostly jokes, didn't even bother wading through them and came to see If Lemmy had a thread instead).

R/worldnews? It's completely run by zionists. Anything critical or Israel or pro Palestinian gets instantly nuked
- At this point, r/worldnews comments are so thoroughly astroturfed by so many global powers, their only use is to get an idea of what various propaganda machines think.

Someone tell them the Palm Pilots aren't safe either

Might have to break out my Newton as a precautionary measure.
- Whatever you do, don’t use the stylus! /s

Booby-trapped walkie-talkies and pagers.

I am starting to love them
Be careful whom you worship.
Based
On second thought, you'll be onto some new fad in a day.
It’s not genius at all. Torturing and raping people to death, bombing refugee camps, murdering doctors, journalists, lawyers, spreading disease, stopping humanitarian aid, cutting off water, and putting explosives in communications devices isn’t genius. It’s evil, depraved, fascist behaviour that anyone could do with enough power and lack of humanity.
Do you look up to Nazis who put people in death camps genius too?
- Meanwhile palestine is a literal fascist dictatorship run by billionaire kleptocrats

These guys were still carrying these pagers to the funeral of the last group getting killed by their pagers? 200 IQ move.

- Still, wouldn't you at least check your devices after yesterday?
- Fair enough

What a fucked up thing to say. Do better.
- Am I supposed to feel bad for a bunch of terrorists getting their dicks blown off?

This reminds me of when during sieges during the Middle Ages they used to lob the bodies of the dead back inside the castle. I'm not sure if it's because of the lines they've crossed over and ignored regarding civilian casualties on this, or that this will essentially cause other parties to cross those same lines. This is giving ideas to China and Russia, and humanity has been far shittier in the past, I really don't want to see how bad we will regress to.

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Ok, on the one hand, yes, blowing up Hamas is funny.

OTOH, this is not cool, bombing random people is a problem.

The US has this wonderful system called the Hellfire R-9X which is basically a flying slap-chop that ginzus a single target with 9 pop-out blades. Can we hand a couple over to the IDF and Mossad so they stop randomly blowing up parts of Lebanon?

It's not killing Hamas that's the issue, it's the collateral.

This is Hezbollah, not Hamas.
How about we stop giving the genocidal government weapons and ammo all together
- There you. You can’t stop people from fighting, but we certainly can stop helping them kill each other.
  And look, I get it’s a hot button issue for a lot of people. I’m not suggesting anyone is wrong for whatever side they choose. It’s too complex of an issue for my pea-brain to fully understand. What I do understand is that the US and other countries need to be working toward helping both sides find a reasonable and peaceful solution — whatever that may be (I’ll leave that to the smarter people to figure out).
Blowing anybody up is NEVER funny. And it never will be.
- One exception.
- I can think of a couple. P diddy is coming to mind today... allegedly.