Democratic Governance
Democratic Governance
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... As opposed to the superior Republican plan for increasing minimum wage?
Crickets
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I'm not American but, “the other party would do worse” is not a very… powerful argument. Even if true.
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unfortunately it is for a two party system. if you don't vote Dem, the only lesson they'll take from it is "oh, people must want more conservative positions" and go further right.
the solution to this isn't to not vote Dem, it's to elect representatives that align with more leftist positions, which to the credit of democratic voters, has been happening more than in any time in history.
that is partly thanks to a new generation of people who don't fall for the red scare propaganda that previous ones did, and leftism and socialism being less stigmatized.
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Classic whataboutism: shits on the topic without adding anything worthwhile to the conversation. These responses are only exceeded in worthlessness by trolling.
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"but republicans" is not a valid excuse for democrats to do nothing.
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The question of issues within modern society shouldn’t constantly be boiled down to the two party system. That’s exactly how nothing gets done. Well, that and electoralism.
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Federally isn't it still like 7.25 where it has been since like 15 years ago....
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The push for a “$15 minimum wage” was first made law in Seattle, and the law included annual increases to keep up with inflation.
The current minimum wage in Seattle in 2024 is $19.97 / hour.
Any minimum wage law that doesn’t address inflation is not taking itself seriously.
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Pretty sure liberals are past 15 an hour and have been for awhile. Centrist Dems are still on board for 15, at least in the party platform. And regardless it's a damn sight better than those calling for the elimination of the minimum wage altogether.
Meanwhile Congress has never missed a pay raise and that receives minimal attention.
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Its always baffled my how many government positions have perioidic pay increases, sometimes annually, a good pension usually as well, but they will never pass legislation to make other employers do the same.
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They're referring to liberalism, not social democracy or progressive or whatever weird definition American media started using in the last 25 years or so.
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American media, by which we mean conservative media, refers to liberals as that to trick people into thinking the far left doesn't exist. If centrists can be labeled as left as left can be then it's safe to ignore the actual left. Of course the Liberals aren't exactly upset about this either.
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Oh.
And here's how the rest of the world uses the word "Liberal": https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=liberal+
Here is the Wikipedia article on liberalism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Here is the dictionary definition of the word: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/liberal
But, hey, your racist asshole made a shitty song about how much he liked Malcom X being shot so liberal is bad and something vote trump, right??
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What do you mean? Congressional salaries have been the same since 2009, they voted against their inflation pay adjustment every year since then, because it's great PR. They make the real money from insider trading anyway...
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How could the checks notes DEMOCRATS do this to us?! Pretending that the Dems are responsible for things this meme admits they're actively fighting against is so braindead that it's no wonder everyone thinks all these leftists are just Russian bots or right wing trolls. The premise here is just so moronic and short sighted that it's depressing to think that a real human could actually post this and genuinely think they're being honest.
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Oh it gets worse. The Democrat's "failure" to do X, Y, or Z (in the face of fierce Republican opposition but never mind that) becomes a reason to either not vote or... gasp... vote Republican.
Like... WTAF?
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Remember when the Democrats had both congress and the presidency twice? Remember when the Democratic party kept promoting extremely conservative Democrats that beforehand constantly voiced their opposition to progressive policies, over their progressive enemies? Remember people like Joseph Lieberman? Remember Jay Rockefeller, who was the deciding vote for the ACA who suddenly reversed his pro-public healthcare rhetoric and opposed it he said because "the timing wasn't very good"? Remember what they did to progressives like Jamaal Bowman? You know, putting all their resources into George Latimer (a blatantly pro-wealthy, pro-corporation, pro-Israel conservative) to get Bowman unseated, making it the most expensive house primary in the entire history of the United States? Remember the Democrat party leadership frequently donating tens of millions to centrist non-profits whose sole purpose is to get centrist/conservative candidates elected over progressives, and act as a "spoiler" for progressives in the party? Remember Democratic Party leaders infamously going on to work lobbying jobs time and time again when they leave the party? Remember when Obama and the Democrats could have gotten progressive Supreme Court judges in despite Republican opposition, but they just lied down and accepted not doing that in the name of "compromise"? Because I sure remember.
The Democrats constantly, intentionally, pump millions into blue conservatives which they can use to block leftist measures and use as the scapegoats to point to as the reason they couldn't get anything done. They always have a bunch of people to spare to block bills which are "too progressive" that they don't actually want passed. They ARE responsible for this shit.
Leftists have good reason to be absolutely pissed at the party. They know they're the only "left" option, and they abuse the FUCK out of that. Blue Dog Democrats even existing is a sin in and of itself.
Why would the Democrats do this? As with most things wrong with the American democratic process, the reason is lobbying. Corporations lobby the Democrats seemingly just as much as the Republicans to ensure they don't take away too much of their power. Shit's fucked.
The fact that you have the audacity to blame progressives or leftists for being mad at the clear lack of democracy and the messed up stuff the Democratic party does to block important bills & candidates is so fucked up, holy shit. People are starving and dying because of the Democrats actively working against progressives in the party. Them giving us a few crumbs of good does not absolve them of intentionally absolutely fucking us over again and again. The party isn't the friend of progressives, they're just the "only choice". I can only hope that the upcoming elections change that, and we don't just get a dozen more obstructionists who the Dems use to block any vaguely center-left policy.
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I'm sure voting for Republicans or not voting will help though right? Lol. I live in a state that's been controlled by Democrats for a while and we keep voting for more and more progressive people. Things are objectively better and they'll keep getting better.
I'm sorry that the entire country isn't a socialist utopia after the Dems had tiny majorities in the house and Senate for one term and an even slimmer one another time. Both times with those majorities made up of vulnerable representatives in conservative areas. Turns out that's how democracy works. It's slow and that sucks but Republicans have spent 40 years grinding us towards fascism. Fascism is way easier to push as well.
We have to vote for the most progressive candidates possible. They all have to win big so they don't have to be scared of being unseated by moderates or Republicans. We have to keep doing this from the local level to the federal level for a long time for things to change. Because if that's who gets voted in consistently then the Republicans and the Democrats will move left.
40 years since Reagan and you're over here crying that the Dems didn't change the entire momentum of the country in 4 when they didn't even have a clear mandate from the voters? Pathetic. You are the problem. Get some perspective and have the decency to spend an hour or two to vote for the most progressive candidates available which is the absolute easiest and least thing you can do. I know it's slightly harder than crying on the internet. Sorry about that.
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Take it down a notch there …. But let me relate it to everyday politics. My state is deep blue, Democratic Party’s best friends. So why don’t we get any live on election years? Why are we basically ignored? Why is all the campaign money spent in swing states? Why do they campaigns there and we don’t even have a tally to attend? The Democratic Party is focusing on the centrists and swing voters, not us.
Why is that?
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Peak "leftism" is creating posts like this that are completely inaccurate and take all responsibility away from one of the two major parties when they did everything they could to obstruct the process and posting them on the Internet for head nods, meaningless upvotes, and "that's so true" responses.
We should make this fun, how about if someone under this posts MLK's quote about white moderates, you have to buy us all a round of gin and tacos?
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Reminds me of a relative. He often hits me with a "And why doesn't Biden do more for Ukraine? Like use the money he has available as president?". He never manages to understand that 1. he did end up sending a part of that money (intended for emergencies) and 2. his preferred option (Trump/MAGA) was the one fucking blocking the aid for half a year! (the before mentioned emergency)
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As someone with a close friend that's getting brainwashed by Republican propaganda( he got into blue collar work, thinks Dump is pro blue collar), there's just no winning, no amount of logical reasoning matters. Arguing against their "truth" is arguing against their community and support system. It's neigh impossible to convince them when they just google "FOX NEWS/NEWSMAX TELL ME IM RIGHT" and counter your reputable sources with bs.
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Drink less gin:
- Democratic Party is not liberalism
- The republican party would keep the minimum wage where it is now or remove it altogether
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IOW Dems have a razor thin majority a couple of times in the last 20 years for a 2-year period each. They are expected to pass legislation to fix every single problem in that time frame. They manage to get X, Y, and Z done in spite of Senate rules that tie one hand behind their backs and full out raging opposition by the repubs, and the response is "goddammit why didn't you get the whole alphabet done, you assholes?"
Even worse are the ones who think the POTUS position is some kind of emperor who can just simply decree "Make it so" and boom it happens, so why hasn't he done this or that like I want (yes I'm mixing metaphors but you get the point).
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Senate rules that tie one hand behind their backs
Rules the democrats put in place on themselves twice, and republicans remove as soon as they're in power.
You don't get points for handicapping yourself.
POTUS position is some kind of emperor who can just simply decree “Make it so” and boom it happens
The US executive is one of the most powerful positions on the planet. They appoint the head of every single federal agency and are the only ones capable of directly enforcing their will. We saw it under Bush when he went to war without congressional approval and essentially said "Yeah I'll ask permission to stay 9 months into the war". We saw under Trump he just ignored the SCOTUS to fuck off and face no consequences, we saw under Biden he can just go around congress for many things like arms for Israel and summery deportation of asylum seekers.
The difference is we want the executive to use their power for good, not either pretend they don't have it or use it for objectively bad things.
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Rules the democrats put in place on themselves twice, and republicans remove as soon as they’re in power.
Nope, the republicans have not removed the filibuster or senatorial holds. (side note: In the past, the filibuster was restricted in regards to appointing justices/federal judges only. First by Dems for SCOTUS justices, then by Repubs for federal judges. Other than that neither of them have removed the filibuster. The filibuster and senatorial hold are the rules I was talking about, which are the main ways that repubs stymie Dems' ability to pass legislation (and the other way around BTW).
We saw it under Bush when he went to war without congressional approval and essentially said “Yeah I’ll ask permission to stay 9 months into the war”.
But he did get congressional approval beforehand when they passed this resolution. Of course he got it by lying to Congress and the UN .
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Ooh wow congrats everyone . I think this might be the most downvoted post in this space
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So brave.
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What many legislative bodies with outdated minimum wages need are minimum wage committees or commissions, i.e. institutions that arbitrate between democratic employer and employee (e.g. unions) associations on a regular time frame (say 1 or 2 years) who create binding minimum wage tariffs.
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Oregon changed their minimum wage to step up over several years, split slightly between the major urban centers and rural areas, and go up based on consumer price index after that. Works well.
https://www.oregon.gov/boli/workers/Pages/minimum-wage-schedule.aspx
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Wait? Did they raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars? Woo-hoo! Dollar fifty raise!
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the meme is misinformation (the $15 minimum wage was removed before the senate approved it)
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fuck
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Crazy how far along batshit insane conservative bills get versus liberal ones like this. Almost like not playing by the rules gets you places
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The Democrats do not care if you and your children starve.
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Well it is 2025.
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Tankies here saw a community called "US Authoritarianism " and thought "finally, people who love the taste of boot as much as I do!"
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Yeah I'm confused, this is the democratic party's fault?
Like, did/do people watch the news whenever they talk about the minimum wage? Fox News and the republican party and the libertarian party go absolutely NUTS.
Update:
Anybody complaining about this still is like having two parents. One is flawed as hell and makes dumb decisions and is conflicted, and the other is a deadbeat, beats you, steals your money and credit cards and causing you long lasting damage.
Everyone is basically yelling that the prior one isn't doing enough.
Are you wrong? No? At the same time, what the hell are you even talking about?
"The DEMS AREN'T PASSING <
<individual qualm>
>". Well the republicans are trying to REMOVE DEMOCRACY.If you guys aren't understanding what's going on. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
You don’t understand. Liberals bad.
The American people just spent 15 years watching Obamacare get gutted from what it originally was, minimum wage not increase at the federal level, the SCOTUS got 3 conservative judges appointed to it despite two being appointed against precedent, marijuana is still illegal at the federal level, Chevron Deference was just gutted, Roe v Wade was overturned and half this country lost bodily autonomy, the last two decades have seen the least productive congresses in our nation's history yet the filibuster remains because "decorum/the Republicans might take advantage of it," cops still have qualified immunity, millions of people don't have health insurance or are food insecure or are homeless, school funding has been gutten, college tuition continues to skyrocket, trillions of dollars have been funneled from the poorest to the richest in this country for no other reason than greed while social welfare programs are being cut, the list goes on for a long time.
And all of this was done by "Republican obstruction," which is fine, it's a legitimate reason for things to happen or not happen. But after 15+ years, minimum, and this new generation of voters watching the Democrat Party hum and haw and wag their fingers at each other and Republicans while the American people get fucked more and more year after year...
It's not a legitimate excuse anymore, and this whole Democrat shtick of "you have to vote for us because we're not the Republicans" isn't working anymore, people are fucking tired of it. I'm fucking tired of it, honestly. Republicans got TWO SCOTUS nominations because, at a minimum, one man in one position in the Senate refused to follow decorum. And the Democrats just twiddled their thumbs and said "humpty dee, nothing we can do, sorry, it's the rules" 🤷♀️.
To get back to the minimum wage: Trump got funding for his stupid wall by taking money slotted for shit like schools for the DoD and such through a state of emergency, but Biden/the Democrats can't do anything about the minimum wage? Or abortion? Or marijuana? Trump got his wall funding basically overnight, it seemed, but it took 3 years for the director of the DEA to reclassify marijuana because reasons?
Regardless of the reasoning behind it, whether its legitimate or not, people are sick of it. They're sick of being told to pinch their nose and vote for the candidate they don't even like because the "boogeyman" over there is gonna be much worse. But... How? They actually get shit done, and in ways that are apparently "illegal or against the rules" yet they have to remain as law/precedent because they still happened.
Bullshit. I'm as left/liberal/whatever you're supposed to call it now as it gets. I'm a veteran who thinks the DoD budget needs to be gutted and that the US military is the largest and most successful socialism program in our country, I'm a trans woman, I've worked public service and private sector jobs, I'm registered and vote blue, and I'll be honest, until Biden stepped down, I was seriously considering sitting out of this vote just because it was like, what's the point?
The Democrats don't care about what their constituents actually want (hence why they fucked Bernie over so badly, he wasn't "establishment" enough for them despite his popularity) in a candidate, and they don't pass legislation that actually benefits most of us. The biggest thing I've heard people rally behind is student loan forgiveness, which yes, the Democrats have achieved progress and victory on and been hampered by the Republicans, I'll acknowledge that.
But notice that's the only debt they're willing to forgive because it impacts enough of their constituents to warrant it? I've yet to hear a single Democrat (but have heard one Republican) say credit card debt from during the Pandemic should be forgiven since so many were forced to use credit cards to pay rent, groceries, utilities, etc while they either couldn't work or couldn't. And when I bring it up to friends with student loans, fellow Democrats, I'm basically told, "Well, you need to wait your turn, they'll get to that after the student loans." Why the fuck can't they do both?!? Why do the Democrats keep hindering progress so they can have a platform to run for reelection on, and God forbid they just accomplish a goal the American people actually want and then gasp actually have to come up with something else.
All this, everything above, the American people have to watch and listen to bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse day after fucking day while Congress ensures they still get their raises, they still have their health insurance, and they still only "work" like 32 weeks/year with all of their recesses and breaks and everything else, while the average American worker isn't even guaranteed a livable wage, or even fucking vacation/sick time, or health insurance.
So no, I'm tired of the "BuT fOx NeWs" bullshit that the Democrats keep spitting. Regardless of their circumstances, Republicans continuously hit their goals and ensure their policies are enacted, regardless of the decorum or precedent surrounding any of it. And all of that boils down to what Jeff Daniels said as Will McAvoy on The Newsroom:
"If liberals are so fuckin' smart, how come they lose so goddamn always?"
End rant/
Edit to OP's Update:
Yeah, democracy is 100% on the line, so why are anonymous senior Democrats coming forward and saying "We've resigned ourselves to a second Trump presidency?" Because it doesn't effect them, so why should they care??
And I'm sorry, but if the people we're electing resign themselves to failure, why the fuck should we even try? Like, seriously, if our elected representatives have resigned themselves to fascism and are perfectly ok with it, then wtf am I supposed to do? Give them more money so maybe they'll pretend to give a shit?
I understand what you're saying, but the Democrats don't get anything done. So after 30 years of getting fucking nothing from the party that keeps telling you the other guy is a fascist and you need to vote for them so they'll do XYZ, and then they pretend to half ass just X and don't even try to solve Y or Z, what's the fucking point? At the least the fascists don't bullshit, and at least the fascists get things done.
Democrat politicians act like they're their constituents parents who know what's actually best for them, and they're fucking not. We brought them into their position, they need to fucking get things done for us and stop with the constant bullshit infighting and bullshit excuses. If Trump can get 3 Supreme Court Justices and fucking Presidential immunity, why the FUCK can't Biden and the Democrats secure abortion/LGBTQ+/labor/etc rights into law? Why can't they fucking do anything other than enrich themselves with insider trading?
Notice despite things getting harder for the majority of Americans, every politicians portfolio across the aisle still went up? Yet they're telling us they understand things are hard, they're trying their best. At least the fucking Republicans just tell you they're gonna fuck you in the ass and how. The Democrats promise you dinner and then expect their cum down your throat to be sufficient, while expecting you to thank them for tapping your head before they cum.
I seriously hope this reinvigorated voting base convinces the DNC that the way things are going aren't working, and that the DNC were a lot closer to becoming non-existent with this election than they felt comfortable. Because that's how all of us minorities feel, but we don't have golden fucking parachutes to catch us when shit continues to hit the fan because the Democrats care more about gobbling the balls of lobbyists than they do the people who fucking put them there in the first place.
Because everyone expects the Republicans be shitty, so it is entirely up to the Democrats to get anything positive done. Any obstruction by the Republicans is seen as a failure on the Democrat part because of that.
Democrats don't do things even when they have power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFi73TzEN_8
Stop making excuses for them. You're not going to get anything from them if you play along with their dog and pony show. Hold them accountable.
*childish obstruction by Republicans and Joe Manchin.
They had the house and 61 in the senate in 2008 when this was proposed, and instead raised it by 10 cents.
They had the house and senate from 2020 to 2022 and did fuckall once again.
Get out of here with your facts, commmie.
THIS IS USA, where we hide inconvenient truths, repeat propaganda talking points, and blame it on someone else.
For real. Childish Republicans are the problem. I mean, if there were a point in the past 15 years where Democrats had controlled the presidency and both houses of congress, they would have increased it, right?
More like "tried for Decades. Constantly obstructed by corporate fascist"
While I don't disagree, it's not hard to imagine a world where the Dems had increased the goal over time. Sure, it wouldn't have passed, but a 20-25 minimum would at least be a legitimate talking point instead of some "pie in the sky" idea that's not in the zeitgeist at all.