Missouri man fatally shoots his mother at home after mistaking her for intruder
Missouri man fatally shoots his mother at home after mistaking her for intruder
Jaylen Johnson charged with manslaughter after shooting death of his mother at their home’s back door in St Louis suburb
A 25-year-old Missouri man says he mistook his mother for an intruder before shooting her to death at their home’s back door.
Prosecutors have charged Jaylen Johnson with manslaughter and armed criminal action in connection with the shooting death on Thursday of his mother, Monica McNichols-Johnson.
McNichols-Johnson’s shooting death came less than a year after another shooting in Missouri saw Ralph Yarl, then 16, get shot on 13 April by 84-year-old Andrew Lester after ringing the wrong doorbell while picking up his siblings.
If only his Mother had a Gun she could have Protected herself from her Son who had a gun and accidentally Shot her! That's literally the ONLY way she could have saved herself!
With two guns, she would have been twice as safe!
An armed society is a society where people are looking for someone to shoot.
From across the pond, it seems wild how bad it spiralled out due to capitalism. You guys got sold on the idea of having to defend your own house at any point of time... Leads people to have fantasies of being in such a scenario to use their custom piece to end a fool!
Are we really surprised it ended this way?
"You guys"
Is Missouri the new Florida?
This is a sad story, but as a former Missourian it's not super surprising.
There's anger and distrust that's festering there. A societal anger, not a personal one. It's a personification and personalization of national politics.
I can't describe the relief it is to not live in that environment anymore.
I am incredibly lucky.
Yet another reason to ask questions first.
Knowing your target (and what is beyond it) is one of the core rules of gun safety.
Not owning a gun is my favourite gun safety rule.
Positive identification. Always.
To be fair it could have been a cop and they don't ask questions first either before unloading multiple magazines worth of ammo so 🤷
What is wrong with some people? The chance of someone with intent to cause bodily harm trying to break into a residence when someone is home is essentially zero.
That's why you've got to grab your cool guns and start blasting immediately -- you might never get another chance.
It's low but nonzero, and depends on your exact location.
But what's wrong with them is the constant stoking of their fear by Fox News and similar media, that tells them that the illegals are breaking into their houses to steal their wives and rape their jobs, or something.
Nearly
600,000900,000 burglaries occur yearly in the US, with 27.6% occurring while occupants were present and 25% of those incidents involvingan assaultviolent crime on the occupants. (https://insurify.com/homeowners-insurance/insights/burglary-statistics/) That comes to37,500~62,100break-in assaultsvictims of violent crimes from break-ins in the US per year, divided by 123.6 million households in the US comes to a 1 in3,2961,990 chance of a household's occupants being assaulted in a break-in each year. That's68%roughly as many incidents as being injured or killed by a firearm anywhere in the country each year as tallied by the GVA. Hardly zero, unless you also mean to minimize US gun violence.Though either of these stats are hardly able to be applied broadly across the entire country given their driving force of poverty and its extreme regional & local disparities.
Edit: Actually those 600,000 burglaries only account for 69% of the US population. The actual number is ~900,000 nationally, bumping the math's number of violent crimes including assault, robbery, and rape experienced in homes up to ~62,100 or 1 in 1,990, surpassing being a victim of broad gun violence as tallied by the GVA when removing instances of justified self-defense.
I feel like you're minimizing the part where it's 0.03% by contrasting it with what you take as the given that individual gun violence is a likely threat in most of the country.
Gun violence can be a problem without it being a specific actionable concern for the majority of people.
It's why it's not contradictory to think we should work to reduce gun violence, and also not find it necessary to be armed in anticipation of imminent violence.More than 11,000 burglaries in 2021 involved assault
That's a direct quote from your article so where does the "37,500 break-in assaults" number come from when it's 3x higher than what your source lists?
Furthermore,
In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S.,
Meaning you're 4x more likely to be shot by someone than assaulted during a burglary
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
Your first link is some insurance company corporate website that has no reason to be truthful. The second link won't reveal its sources unless you pay, but also shows that violent crime is far less of a problem now than it has been for decades.
So your fearmongering isn't even supported well by your unsourced data.
Never happened to you so the scenario is invalid?
I've had armed men break in my house on Christmas Eve. Fuck me, I had a bear wonder in my dog door, laughably on Christmas Eve again. Had a wolf hybrid come in another time. He was my buddy though, knew him.
I hope you're never helpless and defenseless.
Did you have a child die screaming and terrified on their classroom floor at the hands of a legal gun owner? Were you ever hunted in a mall by a teenage extremist with a semi-automatic rifle?
Actually fuck it, did you even shoot the "armed men" or dog-sized bear, or did it turn out you didn't even need your guns in the bullshit you just made up.
I hope you're never helpless and defenseless
That's very clearly not true.
I had a bear wonder in my dog door, laughably on Christmas Eve again.
What was it wondering about?
STATISTICALLY it's invalid. Even your examples are not applicable because it sounds like they didn't want to cause you any bodily harm, they just wanted a house to easily rob of Christmas presents. Same thing with the bear and wolf, it didn't come in there wanting to hurt you, it just wanted food.
In both of these cases the best defense isn't shooting at an unidentified figure in the distance on an assumption that it's someone coming in with an intent to hurt you
It’s probably naive of me, but I keep hoping that if we had better data on that, it would persuade at least some.
The chances of that breakin are essentially zero. Even if it happens the chances of defending yourself are very low, and if you’ve properly secured your deadly weapon, pretty much zero. Meanwhile the chances of accidentally or in fear harming or killing someone inappropriately are much higher, and if the weapon is ready for defense, harming an innocent is even more likely.
Can we put numbers to that and prove it to convince at least some? Or is it a religious topic?
There is tons of data. People don't give a fuck about data that doesn't tell them what they want to hear.
The number one killer of children in america is guns, the second is cars. Yet the anti-gun & anti-car dependency movements are struggling. Nobody gives a fuck about dead kids until they know them personally.
Can we put numbers to that and prove it to convince at least some? Or is it a religious topic?
You replied to a thread where I literally did
My aunt killed her husband with a gun when he came home early from his business trip to surprise her.
I explained the Castle Doctrine to my daughter not too long ago. I just love explaining to her why this sort of thing happens in America.
How is he being charged then? I don't get it.
He killed her in her own home. You understand what castle doctrine is, right?
It's her home. Castle doctrine only applies to people who have unlawfully entered your home. If you don't want to be legally shot by someone invoking the castle doctrine as a defense, don't unlawfully enter their home.
I hate when Missouri ends up in the news for stupid things. I promise, we aren't all idiots.
Oh yeah? Name 3 things that is great about Missouri!
No seriously, I'm asking because I have a friend who feels the same way, and I want to go, "Well, you still have (3 things here)" and cheer them up.
Bet he gets off with a warning after crying himself some Rittenhouse tears during the trial
Hey you know how I avoid never accidentally shooting someone? Not owning a gun. Gun makers hate this one trick but they can't stop you.
Target id is very important. Weapon lights are important. This shit will haunt him for the rest of his life.
Considering we don't have any real clue as to the exact setting and situation... Yeah we know he thought there was an intruder... But... There's a lot we don't know. I'll wait for the details before judging
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and judge. Whatever the reasoning, the guy is at best a negligent idiot.
Give us a scenario where he didn't have time to ask "who's there" before shooting his own mother.
What if the burglar had shot first, huh? Check ma- oh wait. ... Nevermind.
You know what's crazy? These tube things you can put in your pocket. They take a battery, you press a button and light comes out the front! Doesn't even stop until it hits something you maybe wanna see. It's nuts, I tell ya.