1y ago

Illinois judge removes Trump from ballot because of ‘insurrectionist ban’

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Illinois judge removes Trump from ballot because of ‘insurrectionist ban’ | CNN Politics

In a surprise move, an Illinois judge has removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s ballot based on the 14th Amendment’s so-called “insurrectionist ban.”

The decision is paused, giving Trump a short period of time to appeal.

Wednesday’s unexpected decision comes as a similar anti-Trump challenge from Colorado is pending before the US Supreme Court, which is widely expected to reject arguments that Trump is barred from office.

Cook County Circuit Judge Tracie Porter heavily relied on the prior finding by the Colorado Supreme Court, calling Colorado’s “rationale compelling.”

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It is still crazy to me, he is responsible for an insurrection and still gets the option to run for President. Every time I've talked about it on twitter some right-winger will bring up it was mostly peaceful and some other event that has nothing to do with anything lol.
- because at no time since this nation was founded was it considered possible for a president of this country to be under the thrall of a hostile foreign power and want to overthrow it.
  
  I dunno. I think that impeachment probably considered this in a time when there were still many who supported the British.
- Ah yes absolutely non-violent, the guys going around with cable ties just wanted to do some cable management.
  
  Nothing says "peaceful" like stealing a cops riot shield and using it to bash through a security window, or using bear spray on the cops trying to protect the lawmakers.
- No it's not. There's something else we're supposed to do to traitors.
  "You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now"
  -Donald Trump, advocating for his own execution
  
  We literally didn't hang most of the leaders of the Confederacy after the civil war. We just gave them back their land and citizenship. Big mistake
  
  This is called irony
I'm glad it's happening. However, I am almost sure SCOTUS will not allow it no matter what and will find some spurious reason that the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to Trump.
Also, I wish it wasn't a state that Trump was pretty much guaranteed to lose anyway. Oh well, I guess it's a start.
- I'm not so sure. SCOTUS knows the confidence of them is at an all time low (18%). Even if Trump was re-elected I don't think there is more he can offer them. They already have the job. They need confidence back or the states are going to start ignoring them.
  
  Since there are zero concrete consequences for SCOTUS members from having low confidence from the public, they would need to actually care about what the "plebes" think of them for that to make any difference.
  
  States are going to start ignoring them
  Already happening, see Hawaii ruling.
  
  SCOTUS knows the confidence of them is at an all time low
  Maybe, but the more important questions are "do they care", and also "does it improve their behavior"?
  
  Not only has he nothing more to offer them, but he has promised to be a dictator from day one, if reelected. A dictator threatens the power of judges in all courts. That's not something they should take lightly.
  
  I hope you're right.
- Not to mention that if he is off of any 1 ballot and loses, he has ammunition for another Jan6. If he has a "fair shot" and loses, there is less plausibility and (hopefully) fewer followers in the repeat.
  
  I get what you're saying, but we need to stop hand-wringing what Trump and his supporters will do if we actually have consequences for him.
  We didn't force him to hatch a plan to send in fake electors
  We didn't strong-arm his VP to not certify the election
  We didn't pressure states to "find" him more votes
  We didn't encourage the Jan 6th insurrection
  Not only are repercussions for him smart politically, they are the right thing to do. Dude's a fucking traitor to his country, of course he should be ineligible to hold office, no matter what Party! Lastly, these Trumpets are basically a cult at this point. "Nothing Dear Leader does is wrong, and if it was, the dems and minorities deserved it." They will say the election was rigged no matter what. Many still believe the last one was, despite Trump losing all his court cases about it and the majority of Republican leadership admitting it was a free and fair election...
  
  The difference is we control the military this time.
  
  Oh I hadn’t thought of that, goodness you’re right.
- SCOTUS knows that Haley polls better against Biden than Trump does. It's in the interest of their owners that they block him from running.
  
  Oh gimme a break. Those must be the same polls that showed Hillary by a landslide in 2016.
- He's not against business interests when the cheapest labor is slave labor and we have 3 massive companies arguing that the NLRB and FTC protections are unconstitutional.
  META is currently suing so that they can track and deliver ads to minors. That's their lawsuit. That they deserve the right to openly admit they are courting minors in their platforms.
  Trump is a yes man and I'm sure they want him back.
  
  The business interest thing is definitely a big factor, but I don't know if it will be enough.
My boy's getting absolutely SWAMPED with legal action
I think he's at like $470,000 now for his fraud case
*edit LOL my b dudes $470 MILLION
- you're missing 3 zeroes in that number.
  
  My third world mind literally couldn't comprehend that many zeros
  
  3 numbers so far...
- Do you really want him to be your boy?
  
  Nahh honestly not looking to be bros with someone constantly asking for handouts (or is into NFT's)
  Trump NFT
Good, just in time for it to not matter. Glad they're being so quick about it. Great judicial system.
'Insurrectionist ban', also know as the law and order this jackass bloviates about.
How many states does that make total?
- Up to 3 now. Which is funny because the central point the Supreme Court made during the hearing of the Colorado case was "why would a single state get to decide the election for the rest of the country?" Would be nice if a few other states stepped up to show it's not just a "single state."
  
  That's so weird, I could have sworn in 2020 we were seriously about states' rights to conduct their elections as they please. But now states do not have rights to enforce laws for themselves? I must be misremembering because otherwise it would mean all Repubs are deceitful and without integrity.
It doesn't fucking matter, the Supreme Court is going to make all this go away for him.
- Demoralized people will try to demoralize others so they feel more confident in their own opinions. Don't listen to people like this.
  Educate, Organize, Act.
  
  I agree with you in general, but education, organization and action will not change the current makeup or ideology of the Supreme Court.
  
  That's fine. Organizing to vote in November does matter.
  Whooping and hollering when a meaningless, soon to be overturned legal decision occurs is false hope and a distraction.
- "Man, if we just ignore the nazis they are sure to go away."
  
  Social media works by engagement. It doesn't matter if the comments are negative or not. The more you engage with content the more people will see it because algorithms will push it higher in the feed. Any press is good press, so engagement with everything about Trump just gives him more airtime. If he wasn't in the press every five seconds then he wouldn't be as popular.
One of the reasons SCOTUS won't let this stand is they don't want the fracturing of ballots state by state. But that's actually kind of an interesting proposal to fix Presidential systems.
Parliamentary systems can be better because the power is in the People's House, you can't have a Jan 6th in the UK because the Prime Minister is not their own branch of government they are the leader of Parliament.
If there's a patchwork of ballots, it makes it more likely nobody can get to 270 and it goes to Congress to decide who gets elected. Pretty big change in power structures in Washington if that became the regular way we elect a president.

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