More than one-third of Americans believe Israel is committing genocide, poll shows

Fuck, that's so low.

Propaganda is a powerful tool.
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opt in polling from web based "interview". So, probably. nobody even remotely tech savy (aka has an ad blocker) ever participated. but anyhow... here's what pew research has to say about the effects of interview mode:
Where differences occurred, they were especially large on three broad types of questions: Items that asked the respondent to assess the quality of their family and social life produced differences of 18 and 14 percentage points, respectively, with those interviewed on the phone reporting higher levels of satisfaction than those who completed the survey on the Web.
Questions about societal discrimination against several different groups also produced large differences, with telephone respondents more apt than Web respondents to say that gays and lesbians, Hispanics and blacks face a lot of discrimination. However, there was no significant mode difference in responses to the question of whether women face a lot of discrimination.
Web respondents were far more likely than those interviewed on the phone to give various political figures a “very unfavorable” rating, a tendency that was concentrated among members of the opposite party of each figure rated.
Statistically significant mode effects also were observed on several other questions. Telephone respondents were more likely than those interviewed on the Web to say they often talked with their neighbors, to rate their communities as an “excellent” place to live and to rate their own health as “excellent.” Web respondents were more likely than phone respondents to report being unable to afford food or needed medical care at some point in the past twelve months.
ultimately, the legitimacy of the poll would depend on where they solicited their subjects in the poll. You're likely to get a far different answer with advertisements on Truth Social than you would with advertisements on, lets say, a palistinian-american subreddit. but that wasn't addressed in the report, so. we'll never really know.
- Opt-in polling is so bad. It means you only get answers from people with strong opinions. They are polls where the results are shaped like a U instead of a bell curve so it rarely represents the actual 95 percentile.
- I don't think it's opt-in in that way though. They have a pre-existing list of millions of pre-screened people and they're selecting a representative sample from that list. Fivethirtyeight ranks them fairly highly among other polls -- certainly high enough for this opinion poll to be considered accurate.
Pretty easy now to see how Nazi Germany got away with it.
- I know, right. These past 7 years have really made that clear.
I wonder how many people in that poll could locate Gaza on a map with no names.
- I couldn't, but I also couldn't find Israel... or Greece... or Idaho... I'm just really bad at geography in general.
My parents are in the other two thirds
- By vote or volume?
no, most of us just know what a genocide actually is

The other ⅔ apparently have their head in the sand .

"It's just a sparkling massacre"
- "It has to be in the correct region of Germany."

Imagine you, your friends and your family get killed and washed away from your land, and 2/3 of US people don't believe it's genocide.

Actually 1/3 said it is genocide, 1/3 said it isn't, and 1/3 said they didn't know. Also, only1/3 of Americans saying this is a genocide isn't great, but it does represent a huge shift in opinion in a short time. Both our political parties support Israel, our news media doesn't cover Palestinians very sympathetically, and our education system tells a very favorable version of Israel's founding (most Americans don't even learn about the Nakba). I don't think criticism of Israel has ever been this mainstream (at least in my lifetime).
- Actually 1/3 said it is genocide, 1/3 said it isn’t, and 1/3 said they didn’t know
  That means
  1/3 believe it's genocide
  1/3 believe it's not
  2/3 do not believe it's genocide
Murdering people at a music festival and taking hostages might have an effect on public perception.
- The problem is, before they wemt on that murdering spree, the western world pretty much ignored their plight, or maybe tutted when they chucked a rocket or two over the border. But any kind of "proper" political solution was flatly ignored. It's not a justification, but I have to say that I umderstand why that situation led to a "fuck it, let's just rampage" attitude. And look, they actually have a tonne of eyeballs and attention on their shitty situation (and shitty leaders), so maybe something will come of this. Palestinians are paying an exorbitantly heavy price for it, though.
Average Us public have no clue what is going on in their own country, it is actually amazing there 1/3 know at least there is a genocide taking place.

How are Americans this brainwashed?
This isn't limited to the US. What are Israeli citizens doing? Personally i think the US should just stay the fuck out of it and take back whatever stuff we can that we gave them. Cut off support and actively denounce, but they won't.
- Succinct and profound. You just summed up 5 books in 1 sentence.

So at least 1/3 are paying attention

So at least 1/3 have brain damage.
- There's no justification for Hamas' terrorism, nor is their justification for Isreal's genocide.
- 1/3 think there isn't a genocide in Gaza so yes.

Probably because of all the genocide they're doing.

I think that shows that this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden. What will hurt him is if the economy for the average person hasn't improved by election day. And I doubt it will. So I sure as fuck hope he doesn't lose to Trump.

But the news keeps telling me life is improving for the average American. The News.
this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden
That's not my reading of the poll:
35% say it is, 36% say it isn’t, with 29% undecided.
Almost half of those surveyed aged 18-29, 49%, say Israel is committing genocide, with 24% disagreeing and 27% uncertain.
The figures are broadly similar for registered Democrats, who believe 49%-21% in the genocide characterization, while 30% are undecided.
Half of all young people and half of all Democrats believe it's a genocide, with more undecided than disbelieving. Those numbers are not likely to get better as the IDF kills more Palestinians.
Biden's not likely to pick up republican votes based on this issue, but he is quite likely to drive down youth and democrat turn out by being out of touch with his base.
I think that shows that this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden.
How so?
- Because it's not the issue people are caring the most about by any means.

67% said a ceasefire should only happen if the hostages are released and Hamas is removed from power
83% said October 7 was a terror attack, including 74% of those aged 18-24
80% said they support Israel over Hamas, including 57% of those aged 18-24
69% said Israel was trying to avoid civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip and 66% said Israel was just trying to defend itself
74% said Hamas’s attack was genocidal

https://harvardharrispoll.com/

this is depressing.
I'm not going to comment on whether or not Hamas' attack was genocidal, because even if they meant it to be, I just don't they have the capability. but like... Israel is bombing fucking hospitals and refugee camps inside the strip. That's not how you go about "avoiding civilian casualties".
the only side worth supporting here are the civilians caught in the middle.
- Right. I'm with the civilians on both sides.
- Excuse my ignorance but has Israel actually bombed a hospital?
Depressing. Mainstream media is such a cancer.

If that headline said one third of Americans don't believe Israel is commiting genocide which is also an accurate from the results it would set a very different tone.

It’s basically a three way split. 1/3rd yes, 1/3rd no, 1/3rd undecided.
- "more than epsilon"

That still seems low.

Consider how out-of-touch vast swathes of Americans are on foreign affairs, or even on domestic affairs, and it's pretty reasonable IMO. I suspect a major chunk of the people answering this don't even know that anything significant has changed in the past few months and this "genocide/not-genocide" answer is just based on their vague general knowledge of the usual Israel/Palestine interaction.
Frankly, I think 1/3 answering "genocide" sounds positive to me. That's enough to perhaps make some politicians think "maybe I can't wholeheartedly throw complete support behind Israel and not have to worry about it having an electoral impact this time."
I'm guessing there are people who know it's a genocide, support it because it's a genocide, but won't call it a genocide for various reasons.
Some of them may even be Republicans. The ones I've seen mostly scream accusations and abuse if you say that Democrats shouldn't be supporting genocide.

Another garbage YouGov propaganda piece. All my homies see right through YouGov's bullshit.

saw this one making the rounds the other day, I think it's quite fitting https://twitter.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1750152798623195473

do not use other genocides to describe this one

100% agree that we should use the term with caution and precision. That said, Israel is committing a genocide.
I admire any call for civility, so long as it comes in good faith. I will assume good faith on your part. I, without any doubt, believe that Israels Government has nothing less than the eradication of the Palestinian Ethnic Group from the region in their plans. Call that whatever you want, it is still fucking evil.

The ICJ has just taken up a case finding the accusations against Israel plausible, so…
- The bar for plausibility is very low, and rightly so, because the intention is to intervene early and protect civilians. The court will most likely issue an order to stop the fighting for humanitarian reasons. However, it will probably take a couple of years before they make a determination regarding the allegations of genocide.

"believe"... Even 'positive' articles sneaks in some doubt in the headline. At least dobt your lyin' eyes, you pleb.

Then it was a poor sample.

What makes you think that? Just because you believe it is genocide (and I believe it is genocide) doesn't mean the majority of Americans do.
Like it or not, a lot of Americans, especially a lot of the devoutly Christian ones, are big supporters of Israel.
Why do you think pro-Israel politicians keep getting elected? They don't make a secret about their stance on Israel. Some of them even brag about it.

As I understand the term genocide, that seems not to exactly be what is happening here. Although one could say it certainly rhymes with it.