For the second time in recorded history, global sea surface temperatures hit six standard deviations above 1982-2011, on January 6 2024
I know this isn't politics or nation state news, but it is deeply troubling for all of us who live on planet Earth. Six standard deviations is mind boggling.
Mods, please remove this if you feel it isn't news worthy. I know it breaks rule 1, but wanted to share.
I'd say this is valid world news. And it's scary as hell. :(
I don't have a car and I'm separating my trash but it doesn't seem to do anything
It's my fault, I forgot to turn off the tap while brushing my teeth yesterday.
Sorry everyone.
I'm sorry I forget the source, but I once read something from a scientist that in your entire life, if you reuse/recycle/protect the environment,etc for your own single entire life, you will have starved off climate change for 1 whole second. Mind boggling to know your entire existence comes down to that litter of a difference. The point of what I remember reading was not that individuals are the problem, but that corporations and big industries were the worst offenders doing little to help change.
I mean if every single person on earth did this, it would equate to about 253 years. (8 billion seconds is about 253.68 years) combine that with other efforts could really make a difference. Granted this is a hypothetical number and there are far more factors at play, it's obviously not as simple as each person doing this = 1 second saved, but just throwing out there that there are a lot of people on earth..
It is still worth it to recycle, reduce, don't be wasteful, eat less meat, all those things.
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The trash bit is better solved by not buying stuff in the first place (reduce).
Personal emissions exist, but are small. They add up when multiplied by millions or billions.
You’ve taken some right steps, but there’s still s long way to go. Various industries, companies and individuals do what makes economic sense to them. Governments decide what makes sense and what doesn’t, but you can influence that by voting.
For example, many industries have used coal and gas, because it made economic sense at the time. Now that emissions trading is in place, using polluting energy sources is less and less appealing. The same sort of shift should take place in other areas as well, and politics is the way to get there. Climate change isn’t a technological problem as much as it’s a political one.
Lol, you made me laugh. Thanks
These are rookie numbers, now make it to 10 sigmas. But seriously, the biggest problem is that global warming is happening very slowly (in human years) and we are kind of normalising it and concentrating on more pressing topics.
I guess our kids or grand kids will read in their history books about our ignorance and scratch their heads wondering how stupid we might have been to allow all this to happen. And they will be absolutely right of course.
We are more concerned about our well being and our consumerism while wanting bigger cars, bigger toys, share prices etc. instead of trying to lead a sustainable life.
We’re fifty years into this. You might be new. Nothing changes except the right-wing’s hypocrisy and idiocy. Nothing. Changes.
Indeed. It's depressing growing up, and the only thing that changes is the severity of the prognosis. We still travel around the world because we're bored. Hours long roundtrip flights are sold at 20-30 USD, probably because of tourism subsidies. Not to mention the many business trips just to "meet in person".
We have all this technology to work from home, to reduce our footprint. But, we don't give a fuck. And this is just travel. Capitalism needs to be curtailed to factor in the long term destruction of the planet, or we'll head there as fast as profit margins allows.
A world that lets this happen is a world that won't have history books in the future, or accurate ones at least
I often wonder where we’ll be in 2000 years.
Will our descendants look open our great works like how we’ve looked at Roman works, in awe of what we achieved with “primitive” tools. Or will they look at it in awe due to not having any understanding of how such a thing was done at all.
Will we have colonized the solar system and left earth to stabilize itself, or will we be back to city states, warring over scraps of land and access to water that is slightly less polluted. Or will it be both? The rich with their space empires and the poor left to fend for themselves amongst the corruption.
Will there be any of us left at all? We could wipe out all human life right now with a bio weapon or nuclear war. We’re like children playing with their Father’s gun, maybe nothing bad happens and we put it back where we found it, or maybe it’s going to be a tragedy. We’ve only had these tools for barely a century, who knows what we’ll do in 20 of those.
Are today's history books accurate? History has been used for ages to fuel the country's propaganda and are rarely if ever critical to some shameful moments of one's history.
There are some exceptions but they are rather rare I would say.
Global sea temperature affects things like hurricane strength. Buckle up.
bro these seats are only equipped with 2 sigma buckles.
Hey, you know that tipping point that everyone was talking about? Yea I think we've passed that
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There was a hank green video about this a year back. Video link here, the tldr was that container ships used to use a type of fuel that was both bad for the environment but also really good at cloud seeding. More clouds shielded the oceans surface from the sun, artificially reducing its temperature. But in 2020 regulations made container ships move to a fuel that didnt seed clouds as much, so fewer clouds, higher temperature.
So i guess one potential take away from that, if its right, is that the temperatures are not "suddenly" getting worse, but rather have been artificially depressed and we are only now going to what it should be.
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Cool cool cool cool cool
Actually: warm warm warm warm warm
I kinda feel like we hit the point where its either our global production infrastructure or our species seeing this graph.
If we keep going, we won't have to choose! We get to have neither! Hooray!
If we keep going? Brother, the flag-wavers are waving their jesus-hands in the air as we speak to keep it going. Right-wing ‘conservative’ victories guarantee planetary destruction, and we’re all watching it happen.
Load up on guns, bring your friends!
STOP DOOMER POSTING I know climate change is a frustrating problem to solve (to say the least) but holy shit this doomer posting makes it so hard to keep up the momentum necessary to solve it
It is NOT already too late
The way the climate change works, it won't be too late until we're all dead
Stop Doomer Posting
I haven't heard of any ultra-rich person who wants to reduce the population. A population decline will lead to stock price declines as the majority of the population ages (automated 401k investments buy and thus increase stock prices, withdrawals from 401k sell and thus decrease stock prices; an older population means less investment and greater withdrawal). Do you have a source for your decrease surplus population claim?
This graph says we probably crossed that line a couple decades ago and we chose production.
This is not a news article, it's a picture of a graph.
In the interest of discussion here, I'll leave it up this time.
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Id like to see documemtation for graphs that are quantifying something or apealing to emotion deeper than a meme.
Fucking January 6th!
HELP US
A lot of us want to make change but a lot of people are trying to stop it...
God, Gods, someone!
^help...
Hurricane season is going to be a fucking rollercoaster.
Some of You Guys are Alright, Don't go to Florida next Autumn.
Are you doing anything in particular to try to stop it?
Writing to politicians that cover my area. Actively recycling and reusing things. Trying to control my personal footprint. Pushing for and using electric when possible or simply avoiding gas use.
I'm not sure what else I can do to make a more significant impact. I have thought about it for a while and I always come to the same conclusion that mega corporations and the like, should have accountability for what they create, rather than push it to the consumers who purchase.
Sun chips used to use biodegradable bags but stopped due to complaints of noise? I never experienced it so I'm not sure. But seems dumb.
As with any heavy lifting, a team makes the workload easier. Unsure how to press everyone to come together as we did with the ozone layer.
Well, I bet they didn't lobby for fossil fuels at COP28.
It's going to get fucking Venusian around here at this rate
Recorded history = a period of 12 years in this case? The phrasing is confusing to me.
Yes, that's correct. We have not had the technology to accurately track this kind of data until 1982. Essentially the ~30 years of data from 1982-2011 is being used as a baseline. The past ~12 years or so have seen increasing levels of warmth compared to this baseline, and 6 standard deviations in statistics is usually "where did I fuck up my calculations" levels of absurdity. I think it is something like 1 in 500 million odds? I may be wrong, but it happening twice is not a miscalculation.
We could chalk it up to this being a natural phenomenon, but it's more likely that we have reached tipping points in the climate that are now being seen in the data.
And while we don’t have the data it is very reasonable to assume that if we did have data going back 150 years the results would be stunningly worse.
Which is what we “knew” in the 70s. Yay we’re more accurate in counting, but the solutions are exactly the same now as they have always been. Renewables, less poison, better infrastructure. All of which are violently opposed by one of the political parties.
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You idiots! You've applied the six sigma training backwards!
Fun fact you don't need the to specify "recorded" history. The term history already takes that into account. Prehistoric refers to things before records were kept.
This is not a fact. This is a fun opinion, and it's wrong.
Sure if you wanna be really nit picky but is a widely accepted opinion.
It's recorded sea temperatures that allowed us to track changes like this over time that I was referring to. I know that wasn't super clear by the title.
For the second recorded time in history...
How can standard deviation be negative?
It isn't, but some data are a negative multiple of standard deviation away from the mean.
Same question as in another subthread
It's deviations from the mean, so if the deviation were "3" for example, values of 6, 3, 0, -3 and -6 would be 2, 1, 0, -1, and -2 deviations away from the central line, respectively.
Deviation != standard deviation
Standard deviation is square root of sums of squared deviations divided by number of samples. Only complex numbers can result in negative values when squared. Negative amout of samples makes even less sense.
Deviation from mean is x - μ, standard deviation is this abomination:
It's important to remember we are doing it for glorious purpose:
From what the capitalists and their non-wealthy sycophants tell me, this is the only way, and we should stop complaining as they end the world to see who can get th highest ego score.
But you don't understand, doing literally the bare minimum would mean 150 people only have 50,000,000x the average persons net worth instead of 100,000,000x!
And
I'll never be allowed to be in their club since they all work to make sure poors stay poorssomeday I might be one of them, so clearly I must defend this to the death of me and all my family and their children.Climate Safe Pensions - Stand.earth
That’s horrifying. The only choice is not to play.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_propaganda
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
https://truthout.org/articles/pedagogy-for-profit-education-under-capitalism/
The capitalists own major media, the capitalists influence curriculum, as they've captured the state governments that set them, from K-Colleges of Economics to say "free market" capitalism is the only way kiddies. It indoctrinates millions of non-wealthy Americans to advocate against their own interests. Hi.
They use their power over government not only to deregulate their own industries for profit, but to defund social supports and then use their media to shriek "see how government doesn't work?! Privatize everything!"
You can sing the praises of capitalism if you want, but capitalism not straight jacketed/draconianly regulated is a social blight that removes all humanity from society. A society shouldn't be in service to an economy, an economy should be a lowly tool to distribute goods and services for the benefit of society.
https://wcfia.harvard.edu/publications/centerpiece/fall2018/transcript_jodidi11-5-2018
It's worth the read. I promise.
This isn't even a recent comic, it is old. We know about this for so long already, it is depressing.
We've been knowingly on the path to self-destruction for half a century.
It's just become increasingly difficult to engage in self-delusion about it as the consequences become apparent.
This is why I'm past hope.