Nice try Google

Fun fact, did you know that google deliberately makes their products run worse on browsers like Firefox so users will think the browsers are slow? Please support Firefox, it's the only real browser not based on Googles technology (like Brave is), and it's actively fighting Google's monopoly on web browsing.

Firefox is based. Glad I switched over recently.
- Librewolf is a fork of Firefox, and is absolutely better for privacy and security; way more based than Firefox, you should check it out m8 :)
I know it's easy to claim that, but is there any actual proof of that?
- Here you go
"The job isn't done, until Lotus won't run" - attributed to Bill Gates/Microsoft
User experience is actually better if you're not using chrome since you won't be subject to Google's a/b tests
Remember when the FTC actually did- well anything. I 'member (actually i don't cos i wasn't alive when they did)
duckduckgo browser is also not chromium
- Sorry to disappoint you but it does. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo if you check out the Browser section, it literally says DDG browser is using Blink, which is the Chromium engine.
- duckduckgo browser is just a webview2 wrapper, which is a edge wrapper, which is just a chromium wrapper, which is........

Firefox for life! Well as long as they don't go evil or bankrupt. I am not surprised at all though.

Kneecap plugin performance especially for AdBlock plugins claiming it's for security.
Notify users that those plugins are slowing down Chrome.
???????
Profit... or people hopefully switch

/r/firefox is also still closed and opened up on https://fedia.io/m/firefox. So firefox people are cool in general. 🦊
I mean, they've already started cutting some features I have used... So I've got Firefox and Pale Moon on my PC to cover the loss of ftp support. And since some pages don't work in Firefox in either instance of engine, I have to have Chrome installed...
- It genuinely sucks that some websites don't bother to support Firefox! When you encounter one, you might want to complain to the devs and open a webcompat issue.
- I have already encountered some websites which didn't work with Chrome very well, but did with Firefox. They mentioned it's because of how Chrome now handles audio, the audio doesn't start.
Well as long as they don’t go evil or bankrupt
If they do, there is always LibreWolf.
- Maintaining a browser is an insane amount of work. Without Mozilla working on Firefox, LibreWolf will stagnate and become unusable.
Firefox for life
It's not just a Chrome-, it's a Google thing. If you want to install F-Droid or Exodus on Android today, you have to get past Google's warning that you are putting malware on your device.
as they don’t go evil
Well... anyone who packs their advertising through third-party sites has long since defected to the dark side. It seems to me that the ghost of Brendan Eich is still haunting Mozilla.
Their recent advertising of their VPN has set some worrisome trends; here’s to hope they stop that nonsense before we have to move to a fork.
- I mean, it's not great, but it's also not the worst. You can also disable it. Chrome gets money by collecting your data to use for advertising purposes. Firefox doesn't do that, so I don't see much harm in them advertising some of their products a couple times a year. Even wikipedia advertises their own donation period, trying to encourage users to donate.
  If it were a persistent banner, that would be different. But a one time closable window, that can also be disabled, is really not that terrible. Companies need money, after all.

I stand with Firefox.

It's crazy how low the firefox market share is. It’s like 3% worldwide.
- For such a good browser too!
- It's actually 4%, see https://radar.cloudflare.com; websites like statscounter are not accurate because they rely on trackers blocked by Firefox enhanced tracking protection.
- On desktop the market share is somewhat higher.
  I switched back to Firefox ever since the Quantum release and have been loving it.
  I wish Mozilla would spend their resources on the browser instead of wasting time and money on so many other useless projects.

Well, there is your problem. Using Chrome.

Mistake #1, using chrome. Just switch to firefox ~~or brave~~ just use firefox

Firefox is good, and mental outlaw has some good videos of how to initially set it up
I'm on my way.
- Brave = chrome
  Switch to Firefox period.

'No I dont think I will'

Use Firefox btw

+1 for Firefox, it's a great experience on both desktop and mobile!
- It's a terrible mobile browser...
  I honestly gave it a go, and I liked that I could run ad blocking, but the constant crashing and poor website rendering shoved me back to chrome on mobile a couple weeks ago. I'd rather deal with ads and have the browser be stable apparently.
Wish Firefox goes with Vivaldi direction. I can't try another browser since I 'm so addicted to gestures. Plus a lot more customization is available.

Such a baseless statement. Ad blockers actually improve performance by removing random junk videos, and images from running on the site.

I'm so glad to have switched to Firefox.

Yes, but if I remember correctly, the UBlock Origin devs said that the current restrictions in Chrome prevent some of the performance improvements seen in FFx because the filtering is done after the element is downloaded. So, it still has to transfer, but isn't rendered or executed. I could be mistaken, though.

- hmmmm

Why even use Google Chrome 👁👄👁

My work mandates it unfortunately.
- They mandate the browser you use? Seems a little overbearing.

What a cunning plan!

I mean, when an extension needs to block 300 ads...

And some sites are trying to load them again, and again, and again, so the poor plugin has no choice than to go hard on resources.

You should switch from chrome to firefox. Less tracking built in to the browser. Also chrome is planning to deprecate manifest V2 which will break all adblockers.

Unless you use a browser that uses its own ad and tracker blocking. I get fewer ads on Vivaldi without adblocking then I get on Firefox with ublock origin.
Runs about half the resources that Firefox takes up too.
Ad block on chromium was supposed to break in January when manifest v3 came around and it doesn't seem like much has changed on browsers that were prepared for it like Brave and V.
Edge and Chrome are fucked, but who cares about them anyways.
- I used vivaldi for a period, but it's still Chromium. I'm trying to support the only non-chromium option out there. The more users Firefox has, the better. Chrome and Chromium are so dominant, it's seriously problematic.
- Unless you were running Firefx with outdated uBO filters, I doubt that. Vivaldi is a memory hog for me.
adguard does have a MV2 compliant ad blocker but I'll still use Firefox lol
- Adguard is russian spyware. Also it wouldn't matter if they have a manifest v2 compliant addon as manifest v2 is going away in less than a year. Manifest V3 breaks adblockers.
Will this affect vanced?

Bahaha, what a scummy tactic. I suppose if you cast a wide net, you're bound to catch some fish though.

Definitely confusing some grandmas like that.

I use Firefox because it doesn't steal my data OR lie to me.

And foxes are cool animals 🦊 Way cooler than whatever a chrome is.
- Chrome plating (less commonly chromium plating) is a technique of electroplating a thin layer of chromium onto a metal object. A chrome plated part is called chrome, or is said to have been chromed.
  Chromium is a chemical element with the symbol Cr and atomic number 24. It is the first element in group 6. It is a steely-grey, lustrous, hard, and brittle transition metal.
I use multiple browsers to contain work and not work footprints.
- If you didn't know, firefox has 'containers' where you can open a tab in, for example, a 'work' container and it won't carry the cookies over. Lets you log into multiple accounts on 1 browser (like personal email & work email etc).
  Doesn't have seperate history though.
You're lying to yourself if you think Mozzarella Foxfire doesn't have telemetry. I'd recommend Waterfox if you're wanting no telemetry
I use Waterfox because Firefox actually does steal my data but Waterfox doesn't.
- Honest questions: what data does Firefox steal and why Waterfox over others like Librewolf?

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If you wanna keep using adblocks you should start moving away from Chrome/Chromium-based browsers as soon as possible!!

That's what they said in January too and Vivaldi is still working just fine at blocking ads with internal ad blocking. I don't even have an ad blocker extension installed.
- They pushed the deadline to January 2024, that's when Chromium is officially dropping support for MV2. As of now, new MV2 extensions can't be uploaded to the store. Built-in adblockers won't be affected by that change because they're not extensions.
Not necessarily chromium ones. I get that Chrome has a monopoly over all browsers, but brave offers great privacy control even though it's a chromium based browser.
- It's not just about privacy, at least for me. Staying away form the Chromium monopoly is the biggest point.

Firefox + DuckDuckGo search engine

nah, search.brave.com is the new duckieduckie
- Not sure why people are downvoting you. I agree with this sentiment. Results are better than DDG and even has bangs. They even have their Brave AI like Google's small pop-up boxes when searching for questions, etc.
  I suppose Brave is a sketchy company itself, but I've read the privacy policy and ToS for brave, and I see nothing sketchy. It's nice and private, as search engines should be.
- Just another bing frontend
- What about DuckDuckGo on PC and Brave on mobile?

Is that specifically a browser issue, as opposed to a webscript issue for detection?

Is it still an issue in Librewolf, Brave, and Ungoogled Chromium?

It is a self inflicted wound basically. Google killed support for how those ad blockers work.
https://www.ghacks.net/2019/01/22/chrome-extension-manifest-v3-could-end-ublock-origin-for-chrome/
- Is that why uBlock Lite was developed?

That's a low-level Microsoft style move. Didn't thought Google will do it

You must not know a lot about Google, lol.
- Yup. They did away with the “Do no evil” mantra quite a while ago.

So I've heard good and bad things about Firefox in this thread. The bad things being mainly the performance, and some sites just don't load...

So my question to you is, If I'm comfortably browsing on Brave with uBlock on, is it really worth the switch right now?

Firefox had some issues like a decade ago on their old engine. In the past few years, they seriously stepped up their game.
If you're a normal user, you probably won't even notice the difference between Firefox and Chomium-based browsers. Sometimes I come across a weird website that doesn't want to load properly, so I'll open a Chrome tab for a few minutes to access it, but that's increasingly rare.
For web development, I generally prefer Chome's debug tools, but do all my normal browsing with Firefox.
- Yeah, I am a normal user, I don't do web development or anything like that so I'll probably hold off on a decision until the new manifest. Thanks for your input. :)
The founder of Brave had previously been fired from Mozilla due to his homophobia. Firefox is the more ethical choice.
But it's also perfectly fine for most web browsing, and is the only web browser I've seen with extensions like ublock available on mobile.
- I get that something like that might sway some people, and more power to you if you don't want to in any way support people like that. But It isn't going to affect me personally. I'm the type to separate the art from the artist, ya know? Plus there's more people making Brave than just that one person, so like. I dunno, this doesn't really affect my decision in the long run. I guess I'll just wait and see when the new manifest happens, thanks for your input though!
You're posting on Lemmy and you joined seven days ago, so it's a safe bet that you have some opinions about Reddit. So I'll put it this way: if you have a problem with the way Reddit concentrates power in the hands of u/Spez and want to support alternatives because of that, then you should also have a similar problem with how Chromium-based browsers concentrate power in the hands of Google and reject Brave in favor of Firefox.
Yes. Brave is based on Chromium, which has some limitations on things which can be filtered. If you truly care about your privacy, use Firefox, or a further-privacy focused Firefox variant such as LibreWolf. The so called performance issues of Firefox are greatly exaggerated, realistically you won't be able to notice any difference.
- Thanks for letting me know, I'll check it out. Though, I do get kinda skeptical when companies announce that their privacy focused, there's usually some sort of ulterior motive at work.
I've been using Firefox for years now and the only issue I've had is that at work I can't download particularly large files from John Deere operations centre so I use another browser just for that. Everything else, which is literally everything as far as I'm concerned, has been a better experience for me than Chrome ever was. Also Brave uses chromium which is cringe.
I'd say it's worth the switch as if you care about privacy, Firefox just has more tools available to this end
Performance wise widely depends on the site used. Some sites (notably Google ones) are notorious for implementing anti-competitive behavior, where if their website is visited other than a chromium based browser, it slows down or a functionality stops working.
I mean its the whole reason why Microsoft switch from Edge Edge HTML to Edge Chromium/Blink.
The only good reason right now if you want to stick with Chromium based browsers such as Brave is you're heavily into browser based games as currently Chromium (and it's older brother, webkit) are the ones that have the best webgl performance, Firefox can do it but not as fast as Chromium and performance impact is very noticeable
- Some sites (notably Google ones) are notorious for implementing anti-competitive behavior, where if their website is visited other than a chromium based browser, it slows down or a functionality stops working.
  I assume you're referring to Google meet (and the screen blur functionally), this is an open issue in Firefox for years, Google is using open standards to implement that, it's an issue in Firefox with how deadlocks work which is an extremely low level part of the browser. So it's not an easy solve.
  There's a lot to complain about with Google, but this one isn't their fault. They use non-proprietary implementations and it's not their fault that Firefox will crash if they allowed Firefox users to use screen blur, the issue isn't a high priority for Mozilla.

Slowing down their ability to profit off of you, that is.

Is this real? Lmao

A lot of people have already said it in this thread, but I am going to repeat, this is why Firefox is better!

The problem is that you are using chrome to begin with

I use Chrome because it integrates with the other Google services and hardware I use and because I just like it better. I fully understand the data collection thing and I'm ok with it to some extent. I like that Google shows me things that I might be interested in based on searches or sites I visit, but I TOTALLY understand why others might not be ok with it. I am more concerned with the government having access to my information than Google but not to the point of paranoia.
- I stopped being a fan of any recommendations once it became abundantly clear that I'm not actually shown things I'm interested in, but rather the same ads that everyone else gets. Not to mention the Google experience has greatly degraded lately. Tried their search recently? So many ads and SEO spam.

@Tibert What does this have to do with Google? Isn't this Facebook?

This is Google trying to limit the use of Adblock in their Browser (Google Chrome).

Of course it's slowing google. It's slowing their income

Reminds me of Peacock's web client trying to get me to use something other than Brave browser, because Brave browser blocks their ads completely.

HAHA, nope.

Peacock straight up disallows anyone running Linux from using it, regardless of what browser they're using. Guess I'll just pirate lol

and this is not just you using a billion blocklists?

Using all those blocklists is still a whole lot faster than the increased load times from loading ads.

Can’t possibly slow it down anymore than it has been

Me: Oh no, what will i do! Absolutely fuck all

If it gets worse just switch to firefox

In the next 6 to 12 months Google is removing most adblock functionality - switch to Firefox (also Firefox mobile is amazing with uBlock origin )

They're not allowing remote connections for security , but you need a lot of 3rd party data to keep track of lists of ever changing malicious websites and ads to block

also Firefox mobile is amazing with uBlock origin
ublock on mobile is a total gamechanger if you have a cheap phone with low performance

Ditch chrome

Unpopular opinion (maybe) - But i'm using Edge, works with chrome extensions, I use BingAI for quick searches and the cleanest looking vertical tabs I've used without elbow grease and extensions

No, you can be quite certain that's an unpopular opinion. And it should be.

Am I the only one here that uses Falkon. I love Firefox and everything they stand for. But I do like having my desktop windows match. Since I use Plasma, Firefox just doesn't match.

Use Falkon here too!

They will make it impossible for ad blockers to run in Chrome before much longer. Brave will then take their place on the throne of browsers for a while.