Can someone tell me the reason why these people don't want to leave Reddit?

To be fair, anyone who actually cares is not on reddit anymore, so you're seeing the worst of the worst takes.

A lot of people on r/piracy are pirates by convenience, not by ethics. The sub being shut down is not convenient for them. It's really sad to see how many people have the attention span of a goldfish, and can't think beyond "this isn't convenient for me today."

Pirates by ethics = root of socialism, anarchism?
Pirates by convenience = root of capitalism and imperialism?
- For me, at least, there are companies worth pirating stuff from. I don't pretend to be ethical in any way, although I do avoid pirating from indie devs. It's been a long while since I pirated anything, tbh. I just like the community here and it's nice to keep up with the news.
- Well I certainly don't give a fuck about ethics so I just pirate cuz I want. And on that note I also use reddit sometimes because why not. I'm not here ideologically, just cuz it's a nice place to be in. I like it here. I use lemmy more than Reddit nowadays. Reddit is a source of information and sometimes memes. Lemmy for the good place to be in.

People are dumb bud.. there is, just a lot of plain dumb people out there.

Why? Idk bud, people are dumb just that no more questions about it. People are dumb.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin
Some days I think "People can't possibly be that dumb, right?" and them I'm let down every time, 'cause they are.
Seems to apply to everything involving people.
- To not even mention other animals.
It's important to note that the default state of people is being dumb. It takes effort, exposure and more qualities/circumstances during a person's early years to not be dumb.
Many people just didn't grow up in an environment that allows that, it's actually a quite specific one that doesn't happen automatically.
And once the early life phase is over, mental plasticity is a lot lower, so very very few people go from "dumb" to "not dumb".
If you want to be less dumb, I can really recommend https://lesswrong.com/rationality

What do you expect? All sensible people are probably already left the sub at this point, as evidenced by all those comments in the post you linked.

Mass scale brain drain that's only going to get worse

I feel like they don't understand the point of the john oliver posts. Someone said it only turns the community to shit. Yeah, that is LITERALLY the reason so that people migrate away and turn reddit into a mess after spez's decision. Oh, how quickly people forgot about the protest, spez was right.

My favourite are the comments of people saying "return the sub back to normal, this shit is stupid and isn't doing anything! I don't even use Apollo so I don't care" - posted from Boost for Reddit.
A lot of people don't even understand. They genuinely think this only affects Apollo and that Christian is being a baby lol. Can't wait to see their faces when their app stops working and they whine.
- they'll have to manage using the Reddit app to whine, so there will be a delay!
- I've seen someone unironically whine about how the mods were harming more users than Reddit mods. And of course, r/AskReddit's pseudo-neutrality is infuriating.
to be fair what's happening is the folks who didn't jump ship are now the loudest voices. Good luck with that brain drain reddit

People's resistance to change is quite strong, even if they have good reason to leave and lemmy/fediverse are great alternatives the fact is that in terms of UX lemmy can be quite different and takes some time to find and rebuild a list of communities to join, specially since you can have the same community on different servers (i.e. technology on beehaw vs technology on lemmy.world) and just this fact means a learning curve for people that for the most part don't like change.

For example, the NewPipe community on lemmy.ml is tiny and pretty much dead, whereas the Reddit one was much more active. Communities like that which have reopened might make people want to stay on Reddit, unfortunately.
Laziness and the pull towards the familiar are powerful reinforcers of the status quo...

It’s instetesting for the subject of Piracy in particular. Participating in obtaining digital goods has most often been a "take it or leave it" standard. You’ve always had to “go where the action is” if not desperately trying to get invited ( Demonoid era).

They will come to their senses when they need there warez as they always do.

Good ole Demonoid. Takes me back.

This is actually something I think might be concerning in the long run. Reddit's current direction has driven away a contingent of users who tend to share similar moral values; Lemmy's userbase tends pretty left with a lot of content here being anti-capitalist and pro-marginalized groups. It makes sense that decentralized federated networks would be attractive to those subsets of users.

What I'm afraid of is that this will create a vacuum in which Reddit becomes even more of a breeding grounds for right-wing rhetoric and propaganda without the presence of these users to balance it out a bit. I know that as a Reddit-addicted teen, I hovered dangerously close to some pretty disgusting ideologies. Thankfully I discovered some leftist communities which expanded my narrow worldview and veered me to a much happier path. I don't think reddit as a platform will die, but I fear those communities might, and I shudder to think at what reddit could become without them.

So basically Twitter v2
There are always two things in combative balance when dealing with liberatory politics. They are the benefits of sticking around and having conversations about liberatory politics, and the costs of sticking around when there's little to no productive discussion going on. Reddit, I do not believe, is currently in a place where anyone but the most anti-capitalist or anti-moderation advocates will believe that continued participation on the platform will remain beneficial. For me, I'm in the former super anti-capitalist group, and I no longer wish to provide monetary value to a platform that's being run in a non-inclusive manner. I, however, am self-aware enough to realize I might be bailing from communities that could still benefit from discussion early, so I won't hold it against anyone who still wants to stay there and keep fighting. Worth noting, the anti-capitalist and the anti-moderation free speech absolutist are not necessarily friends, and in fact probably aren't.
Anyway. The second position. The position where things are too far gone that the most beneficial thing to do is to leave and to advocate for leaving, and to advocate for external intervention. This is where I view Twitter as being. The benefit of staying on Twitter to keep it from becoming an alt-right echo chamber has evaporated, and the platform can no longer be saved from the abusive and exploitative owner and ownership group. By staying on Twitter, you are no longer helping guide conversations in a positive direction, you are only giving people a hook to keep them on a harmful platform.
It's hard, possibly impossible, to recognize where on the sliding scale of beneficial to stay and beneficial to leave any community is on. I don't have a good sign-off for this. I guess all I have to say in conclusion is that it's hard.
Yes, I noticed that too. When looking at reddit now, it seems much more right-wing now...
- Reddit just seems like it's gone to shit recently, as I expected when they began killing 3rd party apps. But now that we have Lemmy, I don't feel like I ever need to go back.
Yeah I don’t really think left nor right should be thrown in the mix. I don’t “reddit” much at all, but I’m def more right than I am left. I think it’s quite out of touch to believe Reddit is just right wing and is gonna get flooded with even more right wing people. In my experience I’ve seen more left wing on reddit. Maybe that’s just me. Or maybe our definitions of what really is right wing and left wing are a bit different. Idc much either way as long as I can see what I want online.
- Just before this gets too off topic, please remember this is c/piracy, not c/politics. Any further political posts will get removed.

It's like BitTorrent. There's seeders and then there's leechers who just want their free stuff and stop sharing immediately afterwards.

Some have more principle than others.

I think you mean there are Lemmy users (qbittorrent) and Reddit users (utorrent).
Can't convince them what they're using is bad and that there are better alternatives.
- Still can't believe people use uTorrent even though it became malware so long ago. Like come on guys, really? There are a ton of way better clients like qBit and Transmission, and they are just stuck in their own ways to their detriment.
I'm not sure I'm able to seed, unfortunately. College network doesn't seem to like port forwarding, and Mullvad disabled port forwarding recently. That and I don't have a lot of storage space and I'm worried about getting a scary letter from my ISP. At least the scene I'm in is more DDL-based than torrent-based. Makes things easier.

/r/Piracy

That's not the real games piracy sub anyways. The true successor of the scene-watching community is and always was /r/CrackWatch and even there people are very aware that they're not contributors, just spectators. So basically, it was a place for movies piracy, and movies piracy is and always been the most piss easy, top result on google piracy around. I haven't gone on a single website to pirate movies in a decade, shit is all searchable either directly on qBit and deluge or on tracker tools.

They don't want to come over, so what? They're irrelevant. A wiki service reddit, barely anything else. A place for people who unironically install uTorrent and don't even know what the u stands for.

That's why it kind of surprises me that https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy is packed but https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/crackwatch is basically a ghost town.
- Yeah I don't need to know about every single thing that comes out immediately, or the latest drama that empress decided to vomit into an .nfo file. I'm here for discussion about sources and methods, I know what I'm looking for and who I trust to repack it.
People probably don't know what the u in uTorrent stands for, because there is no u in μTorrent. Quite ironic that you are coming at them like this and fuck it up yourself haha
- I didn't fuck it up unintentionally.
- Because mu is so easy to type on a standard keyboard.
Ωμ

It's so hard to join lemmy now, and everything lags in lemmy even just an upvote...

Sorry to hear that, but I'm guessing that might be related to your specific instance. So far I'm really happy with mine, but some are evidently struggling to keep up with the influx of Rexxiters. (and bots, maybe?)
Anyway, nothing preventing you from hitting the Fediverse from a different instance, yeah?
Come join the rest of us sh.itheads on sh.itjust.works!
same thing is happening to me. I might try making an account on another instance
I haven't been able to upvote a post in a few days.
Every one just sits there for 60s then:

SyntaxError: Unexpected token '<', "<html> <h"... is not valid JSON
- This is definitely instance related. I have not experienced any issues what so ever since joining.
True. This should get better over time though! There's not a lot of optimistic UI in Remmy and that causes the app to feel a lot slower. There's a lot of PRs up rn to improve the frontend so maybe something will make it in soon!
I've not had any issues? Try another instance, Lemmy.world is very popular and works well.
- I'm having lag on lemmy.world. Sometimes just spins for 5+ minutes just to upvote. Sometimes posts won't create at all, just spins and spins.

Can’t even open that link on phone without app. Real Pirates wish to be free.

"I am not going to conquer anything. The one who is the most free...is the pirate king!" -monkey d luffy
- This is basically how Archer became king of pirate island
Hi, I use old reddit. I think if you visit the page with old reddit and switch to desktop mode you should be able to open the page on mobile.

Honestly a lot of people who casually use reddit, probably don't know and aren't deep enough into the reddit world to care much

Yes, a combination of the Principle of Least Effort and the Pareto Principle probably. 80% of people don't know, and of the 20% that do, 80% find it too much trouble to do anything about it.
- I also think there's an element of time spent with Reddit. For some of us who've been with the site for over a decade, this is the last straw with Reddit. For many others, its their first incident.
I concur

Sink their bones to Davey Jones! The best of us have migrated to Lemmy

Just let 'em. Splitting a community isn't nice but i don't see another solution here. Maybe this is kind of a diet for us and slimming will be a chance for us.

I mean exactly. I'm 99% sure these folks weren't contributing anything of substance in the first place
- Yeah I imagine anyone with real knowledge that was contributing has jumped ship at this point.
- This applies to most other bigger subreddits too. You could go into subs with millions of subscribers, but in the comments it was always still the same handful of people actually contributing useful things.

I have only just joined over here on Lemmy, so let me try to explain what took me so long. Reddit, even though a shit hole, is easier to use and has ingrained itself with google for even easier use. Lemmy is a nightmare to try and find boards ya interested in for common people, as each .com is it's own sign up and own set of boards, it's not you go to one site, sign up and find what ya want, you need to know each little lemmy.insertnamehere to find a certain ammount of boards.

This is just my experience and everyone could be different, basically put, laziness and simplicity i think are the two main reasons.

EDIT: not to mention that just took about 5mins to post..... wtf is up with this site?

I do not think that is the case. You simply need to toggle the search for communities to "all" instead of "local". That should search every federated instance, which becomes very similar to searching for communities on Reddit

I imagine most people are like me and have an old account and communities they like.

It's similar to why people don't e.g. flee states like Florida.

It's kinda dumb, but I get the feeling. They should just realize they can use both sites

That's understandable. I actually find it refreshing to walk away from the baggage of nearly a decade old account, but I have the luxury of the communities I care about (all two and a half of them) having already migrated (or split, take your pick).
Yeah. I have a few subs I'll probably keep visiting from my pc, but the rest mostly exists here already.

I don't see that subreddit lasting long after this tbh. If this all to make the product (reddit's communities) look good to buyers, then I can see it being nuked.

Come on guys don't let that discourage you from commenting about it; that's exactly what admins and spez want (hell some of those are probably spez's alts lmao).

Minecraft even pulled out of reddit today; other companies might follow. Users just need to keep up the pressure in reddit discussions.

You can copy/paste this premade summary I made pretty much anywhere.

The Minecraft subreddit isn't closing, Mojang staff just won't be posting there anymore.
- i kind of wish they would direct people towards the fediverse version, but i don't know how easy that is for them to do without upsetting someone at microsoft behind the scenes
- Yeah. Still a pretty big blow to reddit's pr
  ..if they have any left
  Other companies might follow suit.

I think most of the people who want to move already moved, these are the leftovers

Probably bootlickers

Yeah moving to a federation alternative seems like it would be extremely welcomed in that type of community. They would have a lot more freedom in posting whatever content they wanted without being bothered by the reddit admins.

Pirates are notoriously good at finding the content they are looking for, so a "hidden" community on Lemmy would still thrive.

Habit spawns laziness and stupidity as well as a false sense of loyalty.

I have known about lemmy for a long time. Im happy its starting to have a population. Only reason I am sad to leave reddit is I have used it to save answers to my questions and save guides etc. Its more an archive for me

I've actually had lemmy results come up in google the last few days sometimes, so maybe more people just need to use it.
Granted, those questions were lemmy related, but it's a start

We still have to wait and see what happens after July 1st.

Very true, doesn't matter what they're allowed to post on the sub when their app stops working.

They're just there for the easy upvotes for posting their memes about the mods ruining that sub, then getting mad when the posts get removed.

The history button for Moderator Toolbox there is showing a ton of regular r/teenagers posters who barely use the sub. My guess is they saw comments getting upvoted for being righteously indignant about the John Oliver posts and decided to "meme" their displeasure in the way teenagers usually do.

I tried to explain to one of these people Lemmy for piracy alone is easy, it's apparently more complicated to use, setup, or understamd than his current pirating methods or any methods he's ever done.

If it requires more than 4 button clicks and 10 minutes, you lose the lazy, disinterested, and unmotivated people.

Most people here are going to be pirates who were burned CDs and jacked channels or people who were raised by people burned CDs and learned about pirate bay before geometry (hi), im sure this community will cause many to pick up pirating, unfortunately, I think the loss is due to people who havent truly explored the internet/computers and checked out what piracy is.

Wait until reddit kills the piracy forums outright, they are going for an IPO, they will either clean house right before, or shortly after going public, pirates that want simple info will pay Netflix/Hulu, the ones who get more motivated will remember or find Lemmy.

@demonicbullet @MigratingtoLemmy personally I’m hoping this happens. I want Reddit, and more so the ceo, to burn. He killed off Apollo on purpose and then just straight up lied about it basically told all the users fuck off as well. It fucking sucks. In no way is this okay.

I never found /r/Piracy to be useful for anything other than making memes about piracy. There's very little actual information on how to pirate.

After one day in on Kbin, I found this handy little breakdown, which provided me with more resources than I'd ever seen listed on Reddit during my entire time there.

This is a prime example of the slow heat death of Reddit - now that they've forced people to start looking at other alternatives to their communities, they're beginning to realize how restricted and frivolous most of Reddit has become, and what a poor information resource it actually is. When information is presented and moderated as entertainment, it's quality invariably suffers. While it may be a bit to early to tell, it feels like Reddit's failures are instigating an internet Renaissance in the federated space, which has the openness and freedom to allow that kind of a movement to grow.

On Reddit, like my link above, it would be removed for violating the TOS.

Well if you never found useful information on /r/Piracy than thats on you because the link you shared is literaly a copy of the Wiki/Megathread from /r/Piracy.
I feel like we need to start archiving the wikis and other informative posts from /r/trackers
I personally prefer Firefox + NoScript for blocking malware and malvertising. Couple that with adding a fuckload of blocks on your OS's etc/hosts file (System32/drivers/etc/hosts for windows) and you're golden for perusing perilous waters
Also, yandex is the only search engine that i've noticed that does NOT block or censor pirate sites. Everything else: google, brave, duckduckgo, startpage, etc, they all block stuff they so much suspect might harbor pirated content.

Ease of use and size of user base

my theory is that most users don't know or care about the api changes or the deaths of the third party apps. and most of the ones who do know dont care.

id also guess that a lot of people are hesitant to join the fediverse due to a choice paralysis, kinda similar to Linux distros. altho joining an instance is not actually all that complicated most people just dont want to have to bother making the choice of which one to join, and others cant be bothered to learn how instances work. ppl think it's complicated because it's different and new to them and ppl generally don't like change 🤷‍♀️

"Why fix what isn't broken?" Most people don't have the foresight, they live in the present and it's like nothing has changed. When the realization hits, they might migrate to lemmy if reddit was important to them.
Personally, a video should help. A lot of people are visual learners. And the size of the community at reddit is small... that's also a factor. If their friend are coming here, they'll come here.

I switched. Still getting a handle on the ferdiverse. The developer for Sync said he was creating a Lemmy app. I use Jerboa currently.

Jeroba seems pretty good. I just started using it a few days ago myself. It's not polished, but that could be that lemmy still needs some tweaking. IMO.
- Yeah, all of it needs more work. Gotta give the devs some time

Need reddit app to see that? Nice try mate

I got you
https://web.archive.org/web/20230627194405/https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/14knc6t/got_r4d_for_pirating_someone_elses_john_oliver_so/
I'm on the desktop using old.reddit.com. If you switch desktop mode on and use old.reddit it should work I think

I just took a look at one of the most popular recent "mutiny posts" and wow, it really has gone to shit. I get that some people might not care about the API mess, but they actively hate the mods there. Half the comments are just unhinged and are still upvoted.

There was even an unabashed antivaxer comment from some guy drawing some sort of insane comparisons between mrna and r/Piracy mods and even that was upvoted lol

I don't know if the numbers back this up but I hope that the reason for this is just that the reasonable people moved to Lemmy and it's just the crazies left there...

More and more, that's what Reddit will be. Excited to see what Reddit's revenue streams think of that
- No original thinkers, only the self-proclaimed. The circle jerks will be legendary.

From what I've gathered people generally like using shitty platforms.

They probably don't want to learn, so they won't try to learn how to use Lemmy or Kbin.

Pretty cringe given that they had to learn in order to pirate in the first place. I can't imagine being this lazy.
- Yeah but most of them *haven't *learned - how to search, how to follow instructions, how to read, how to seed, how to install and adblocker, how not to get malware....
- Ribbits

There are pirates as in ideologically cultured anarchists and there are simpletons chasing releases and demanding stuff as if they were entitled to receive it grr

https://mander.xyz/comment/617748

Many subs there have 1000x the users that the equivalent subs here do. That does make a difference.

It already has an established platform with so much information people won't switch becouse reddit already has all information they need

Because people resent change.

The communities i care about the most are ghosttowns on lemmy so I have to go to the subs

Or you could contribute (more) yourself to build them up.
- it takes alot of users to do that not just 1 account posting on there

There's a sociological study that analyzes cultural change and acceptance of new ideas. It's called the technology adoption lifecycle. I still think we are in the early stages. I would consider reddit refugees as the early adopters.

Don't even need to do that. Just need to point to what happened to /r/megalinks
https://web.archive.org/web/20190318150116/https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/avymfq/rmegalinks_subreddit_was_banned_again/
Looked through the archive from 2019 /u/qefbuo said
Personally I think we should move to a decentralized network like Diaspora, anywhere we gather that's centralized is on borrowed time.
Or what more recently happened with r/newyuzupiracy
https://kotaku.com/zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-reddit-piracy-banned-yuzu-1850547515
When reddit decides a ban hammer is going to strike there is no warning.
- The screenshot in that kotaku article contains the full base64 for the TOTK links as well as the sidebar that explains that they're base64 encoded. Brilliant
- So this is why ToTK posts suddenly disappear from my reddit feed.

Maybe they have some little niche communities they do not want to just abandon.

That is why I still use reddit - when you have a really niche hobby or interest and finally discover a community of people that you can share the joy of that interest with, that feels great - you do not want to lose that community that you have longed for for so long.

I am part of some niche communities that have an activity level and a user base that is hard to beat on reddit. I am doing my part here on Lemmy and created local c/dolls and c/denpasong communities on my home instance, but of course nobody is interested here on Lemmy. I am giving Lemmy some time of course, but I am afraid that I will stay lonely with my little communities here on Lemmy unfortunately.

Because Lemmy isn’t as conveniently accessed, and it’s just slow.

It’s also confusing.

Can you mention the specific points of confusion that have impeded your experience here?
- For me, federation sounds simple in theory. In practice it's not for end users. Forcing an instance to discover a new, unfedeated community is a pain in the ass, let alone finding that community in the first place. All these little services (e.g. listing all instances/communities) are scattered and you kind of just have to learn as you go.
  The average user just wants a nice search - that searches through "all" of Lemmy - something that is obviously hard or even impossible (or even not desirable to all users)
  I think the above commenter is misunderstanding that the user is also federated. All of these concepts are hard to grasp but will eventually sink in I hope.
- Trying to find a community for a popular topic isn’t the easiest in the world… it’s a bit like the old days where you had to find a good forum for the topic you wanted to chat about.

I also don't understand it. Didn't they always have problems there with Reddit deleting pinned threads and their wiki full of information, to the point where information had to be collected on an external page?

Bootlickers the lot of them

Why wouldn't they want to stay? It works for them. Before ideology, before morality, before any other thing you can conceive of is plain, simple convenience. And Reddit is certainly convenient. Once enough users leave, they'll leave, too.

How do you even open the site on mobile without having to install the app? I keep getting an overlay. Can't we just post screenshots from now on and stop generating traffic on their site.

I just started using Jerboa for Lemmy from fdroid instead of using a web browser. The difference for me is night and day
- I think they're talking about the reddit app, not lemmy

I'm still kind of weirded out by some of the bugs and differences. For example, quite frequently, I'll click a lemmy link, and for whatever reason it keeps taking me to some weird baseball game thread about the Padres or something. I don't know why, like wtf, so random.

Probably because you're pressing a link to a post of another instance, but it resolves to your instance instead.
Meaning that, you'll be shown a post with the same ID on your own instance - where you should have been shown the post with the ID of another instance.
Either you're using an app, and it hasn't accounted for this yet - or the person who made the link didn't format it correctly are my best guesses.
Probably because the Padres are on fire this season.
Also, I understand lemmy 0.18 replaced websockets with HTTP, which is supposed to be more reliable, but some instances have chosen not to upgrade yet because 0.18 also removed the built-in captcha. The fediverse and activitypub are really being put through a trial by fire right now, there's gonna be some growing pains.
- I really don't care about baseball or who's having a good season. I want to actually go to the link I click not the same baseball thread over and over. I understand there's going to be bugs but the specific question was why some people don't want to leave Reddit. Bugs aren't a good look and scare people off.
I was having that same issue.
- What is it taking you to that baseball thread specifically or to a different thread? Was it always the same?
  For me it is frequent and random, but it always takes me to that one thread about the Padres.

According to some old reddit has a better layout than this place and the people there are pissed at the mods for breaking their own rules for the place. Makes me trust people less and less. Especially those in positions of power. Some of the people here are great but I hope something better looking comes along cause this place has no aesthetics imo.

It will take time

People are freaking out because you have to put two seconds of thought into it.

Truly bizarre.

It's not like everyone visiting /r/piracy was part of the community itself (which moved to greener pastures). Many visited the sub as part of casual browsing.

I have the opposite question, what trait of a pirate makes you think they would leave reddit?

I'd expect a general understanding of the inherent weaknesses and drawbacks of centralised infrastructure.
- Those are not traits of a pirate.
They generally dislike corporations, dislike being told what they can or cannot do, and have more technical expertise than the average person. They are extremely accustomed to finding and migrating to new platforms.
- I agree, although due to the popularity of reddit maybe they just landed there by chance.
Want to get stuff for free, but you don't want to pay for it, don't want to see ads either
But suddenly you get ad-infested Reddit app on mobile or you can't see the page. Must feel dumb
Whether pirates have wanted or not if they pirated long enough they have experience lot of things being killed off. Torrent sites they relied on dying and disappearing for good like rarbg. Recent reddit causality being r/newyuzupiracy. Direct links being killed off like megaupload. Discord channels dedicated to piracy or jailbreaking being banned and killed off (why isn't stuff like matrix more common instead of hoping Discord ignores them?).
The constant search for new methods to piracy p2p, torrents, usenet, i2p, irc, discord bots, telegram bots, etc.
It's not an area that has stability so pushes people to constantly be searching and finding new ways to pirate. Being on centralized places has always been borrowed time. Piracy in the long run always ends up having to search for a new home, better places, better methods. It's a nomadic lifestyle in the digital space by the nature of it and the hostility towards pirates from those in power.
But, one thing that has remained a constant has been decentralization. With no better representation of that spirit than bittorrent. As long as a few people have it the source remains alive.
- Wait rarbg was shut down?
  Are there any ones as good?

most don’t even have their own principles to follow.
depending on your life, it might be a very difficult task to achieve.

Lemmy still has the same inherent drawbacks of Reddit, but now the mods have complete power with no admin oversight whatsoever.
The moderators of a community have no right to kill it. If people wish to leave for Lemmy, I welcome it. if the other sub died naturally, I'd migrate over here myself (the same way I migrated to Reddit gradually through dozens of forums dying naturally)

Forcefully trying to kill the sub serves no purpose other than to centralize piracy knowledge, benefit Reddits IPO by getting rid of a hated subreddit, and allow more mod censorship. Also, Lemmy isn't indexed by google, so you're fully reliant on the inbuilt search unlike Reddit. (which makes Lemmy less useful for finding specific content)

Lemmy is still in it's early stages. I'm a part of 1k+ communities on Reddit and fewer than half have a prescence on Lemmy or an equivalent.
Dearth of NSFW content. (I mean really, it's kinda sad. Even twitter has more regularly posted nsfw than Lemmy.)
UI and UX are garbage. I've had more 503s on Lemmy the past week than Reddit the past 8 years. The new reddit app looks & feels better than any available android app for Lemmy. (and honestly on desktop too)
Why 'move' ?

If the mods don't want to moderate the old sub, then pass the torch.

Considering piracy's focus on decentralization, y'all are oddly supportive of centralizing your content on a Lemmy instance hosted by one guy.

Which brings me to:

The person who hosts the Lemmy instance can edit the database directly just like Spez can with Reddit. You're trading centralized power around admins for centralized power around the server host. So essentially just downgrading to the old forum days.. (you know, the stuff Reddit replaced in large part.)

I'm sure this will get downvoted to hell, but these are a few reasons why the Reddit community shouldn't be killed.

Lemmy IS indexed by Google. Try searching for “site:lemmy.world” for instance. Also, if it you don’t like the way one admin is running their communities/server then you can move to another server/community and be completely out of the control of the first. Try doing that on Reddit.
Everything you say makes sense, but a pirate pledges loyalty to no man and always expects to jump ship when the time is upon them. Such is life on the high seas!
- If the community as a whole feels that way, then discussion in the subreddit will naturally die off.
  So why does it need to be done forcefully with a rule? Why force people to migrate? If Lemmy is so compelling, everyone will naturally switch over and it'll win out.
yesthe UI/UX is bad, but i am pationt enough to wait the few weeks until alternativev pop up that really should be nice. Like Sync. I know there is an 3 party website already but i did not try to really use it and forgot the url
Then go open up your own sub if you want a piracy sub on reddit that much. You think it's the name that makes a sub special? Could be /r/shitideas and if you made it focused on piracy it'd be a piracy sub. Acting like there's something stopping you from starting up your own. If anything it being /r/shitideas would make it easier to go under the radar and attract less attention from being shut down. Step up if you want it.
Most of what you said is valid and correct, but very little of it is a reason to stay on Reddit. Rather, those are deficiencies in Lemmy that should be addressed (and to be fair, most are in progress) in the code.
I do feel the need to point out that your first point is off the mark. In a way, due to federation, there are no admins. But in another, there are tons of them, with a team on each instance.
As for your second point, the very point of killing that sub (and similar actions on countless other subs) is to fight back against those singular admins of the first point. But at some point, these actions will stop organically. It could be on 7/1, it could be months from now. It could even be when there's a mutiny, or Reddit replaces the mods with scabs. But it will end, and a lot of people will already be gone permanently.

They simply have no spine?

just another paywall from hell. trains public to go elsewhere

Because they are very naughty

Real question: does it matter?

Because I dislike being told what to do. Everyone here is "Get off Reddit, move over here. You're not a real pirate if you stay on Reddit." and it's incredibly annoying. Fuck you, I'll go where I want.

And of you hang around a hostile place or act hostile in a welcoming place, you'll get what you earn. 💩

Hey, they can stay on Reddit with their beloved memes, I don't really care.

Addicted