to my expierence

Google is fucking unusable as a search engine now. Bing is literally better now if you block the AI part.

Was searching for something very simple. Google literally wouldn't find it. Changed the search terms multiple times.

Tried bing and it literally popped up as the first result with the same first search I tried on Google.

This isn't a one time thing either. Give me an alternate to Bing. But Google is literally hot garbage now.

Something about Microsoft UI just feels so off for some reason. Material UI, Apple stuff all feels good to use but clicking on a button in Microsoft UI is just... bad.

Windows-only users would never know, but people who've either used a modern mac or linux computer will understand.
- Or windows users that have been around 20 plus years....
  Really it is sad just how bad its all gone.
- I have Linux on my gaming PC, a Windows laptop at work and regularly work on a Mac to test stuff. I literally don't see what you people love so much about the Mac UI. "Same but different", sure, but nothing groundbreaking.
It makes me think of Fisher Price toys.
- Fisher-Price actually has solidity to it. I'd take that over these pseudomagical plastic sticky notes.
- yeah it does really feel plasticky in the worst way
I think because they try so hard to be edgy (eheh) and different from the others, by constantly trashing known tested paradigms, refusing to fix known problems, all whike trying to invent the "brand new thing" that nobody wants and never reallt works out.

Yeah, this is "tech" "savvy" people, not actual people who understand tech.

The current version of Edge is literally just Chrome with extra bells and whistles.

You forgot the panel where the tech savvy people wash their hands afterwards

What I find interesting is when typically non tech savvy people start using things like Brave.

Goes to show how shit the tech industry is

In my experience non-techy people just don't know what Edge and Bing are.

Lol when our CFO called it "the wave browser"

Tech savvy people like Duckduckgo, Duckduckgo uses Bing under the hood

We also maintain our own crawler (DuckDuckBot) and many indexes to support our results.
DDG uses a whole bunch of stuff, including feeding anonymized results through the bing API, but they've been largely driven by their own indexes for several years now after using Bing to bootstrap themselves.
I host my own search engine lol.
- Ah, finally someone using the European open Search index?
- Yacy what you did there

I use Edge on Linux

Hello Satan.
- Not OP, but I have been meaning to talk to my Ubuntu admin about Intune on his systems so we can use conditional access on them.
  With how difficult it had been to get macs setup, I have a feeling Edge will be the only way it works.
  So in enterprise situations....I'd say "Plausible".
  Personally I mostly use Firefox on Linux, but Proxmox gui doesn't handle that so well...so for that I have an App-isized Ungoogled Chromium window.

i like edging

Edge is actually pretty great. Bing…well, the image search is okay.

Don't knock Bing Videos, either. It's the best porn search engine in existence.
- I’ve heard that! But I’m gay so I’m not sure the shareholders want it to serve me.

Edge is just Chromium now (so worth hating still, but for different reason), and Bing has its uses. Hell, isn’t DuckDuckGo basically Bing?

Bing has its uses
Porn?
- Also yes.
- Google has been enshittified to the point where I constantly have to re-search on Bing to actually find an answer.
Yup. Never understood the Bing hate, they got better years ago. DDG is a source in my SearXNG instance, does fine.
Yeah, it's like bing but actually anonymous.

Did I tell anyone about that time that I use arch?

I use edge on Mac.

Me too, I tried using Firefox on Mac but for some reason its power consumption is insanely high.

I'm tech savvy, and I dislike Firefox.

Any particular technical reason?
- Past experience where they sucked it up. I used to be a Firefox apostle spreading the good word, then they start getting worse when chrome was getting hot. And it's been so easy to stay on chrome with no issues over the past 12 years that I haven't had any inkling to move back. There was a hard minute where Firefox sold out and shared data, sold it, and just wasn't great.

if im using chromium, it's gonna be vivaldi

Can it set the bookmarks bar to only show up on the new tab page yet?
- yeah basically any bookmarks you put in your speed dial older show up on the new tab page

Non tech savvy people don't care which browser they're using. A lot of them do actually use Edge, since it comes with Windows.

Where is Vivaldi?

I'm using Edge and Bing right now, on Windows 11

On my work computer I actually use Edge over Chrome since it has vertical tabs by default.

Edges vertical tabs are actually one of the best implementations. Zen is close but it can be unstable, especially if you start moving tabs out of the existing window, it fucks up essentials.

I know this is the wrong place for this but I like edge.

Bing is a better search engine than Google, but both are pale imitations of their former selves. It's amazing how bad search has gotten in the last ~5 years

in the meanwhile im using Zen Browser.

Thanks for introducing zen
- No Problem, hope you like it!

I love edge...

/

I'm pretty tech savvy, I daily drive Arch and I don't use Firefox or anything based on Gecko. Meme doesn't check out.

you might be the only Linux user evee to have nstalled Edge
- I didn't say I use Edge.

Im dumb, whats the w logo?

Waterfox. It started out as a 64-bit build of Firefox for Windows, back when Mozilla didn't offer that yet. These days, I believe, it just offers a few different defaults...
- Like librewolf its basically firefox without mozilla bs
  And it also has an android version
- Ohh

I hate Bing but right now I am sour on anything Google.

Not true in my experience, I would say the majority of windows users I see these days use edge and bing. Most don't use copilot though