Economic growth is when you miss funerals

"Client wont wait" - lol :)

For some people, they spend their entire lives inside the matrix. Only when they get old, they realize that none of the work they did matters. Unless it was for the good of humanity.

The client will always wait. These hustle addicts forget all the times they had to reschedule to accommodate ((wow 2 c and 2 m? Seems excessive)) others. Life happens and we work around it.
This is exactly it. When I was a bit younger I worked hard. I couldn't understand why others were not as hardworking as myself. Luckily I learned pretty early on that this is not the way. I was able to travel the world for a bit. After that, I took a leap of faith, quit my job, and just moved. After I quit my job, I started to think about how people would think about the work I did and what I left behind. And I realized, they probably won't think much about it at all. Some other person will come in and pick up where I left off. They will probably cuss me out because of some of the things I had to do. At the end of it, there is no legacy I will leave behind. No one will care. No one will remember.
These days, I am still pretty good at my job, but I don't really go above and beyond. So what if you get some award at your company. They don't mean anything. I go to work. Do my job and that's it. I try to chill and take it as easy as possible. I get paid to produce a certain amount of output and that is what I give. There are people that will still get rich off of the amount of work that I do, but I don't care. I have enough to get by in life to where I am content. Luckily, if I am ever in a situation like this post, I can tell them to go fuck themselves and quit.
- 100% agree with you. I think travelling is maybe key to this realization also. Just seeing other cultures makes us question our own and if its really the best way to live life. :)
  Ive had many jobs through life and in the rear view mirror, they just were a way to pay the bills. I dont think about those jobs or the people i worked with at all. It didnt give very meaningful life experiences either. A lot of office work.
This right here is why I love being a nurse. Every day I go to work it matters
I only found that funny when watching reality shows like east coast choppers or something. We need to build this bike for our very busy customer Kid Rock. He needs it in 10 days, because he needs to ride his new bike then. Alright gang, time to work 16 hour days.
Then they keep hammering in how very important it is and he's not gonna pay if he gets it 2 hours too late. I know it's all just fake theatrical reality tv, but even as a child i never got the whole urgency they tried to push. All i thought was: so what, lol, fuck them
- Yeah, they create urgency in tv shows to make the viewer feel its more exciting. I think another example of this is Hells Kitchen. :)
  Also the editing of that show is hilarious. They take out of place facial expressions and put it in scenes where they never happened, to create a viewer experience that is more exciting.
  It is entertaining but I wonder how many people dont realize this when watching...
I realised nothing I do really matters a few years ago. Why bother worrying about shit that just doesn't matter? It was the most enlightening thing I've ever realised.
Fair enough but I think the good of humanity should be taken broadly. First of all any kind of primary production is basically the base of the pyramid for everything else, if you make art or entertainment thats anything less than 100% cynical in nature you're contributing a tiny amount to the general wellbeing of a huge number of people. Really anyone that makes or provides anything people enjoy in some way. I'd say it includes basically everyone except the many layers of superfluous management.

We have an office in India and I've interacted with them a fair bit and in my experience they're all come off as lunatics. They seem to take great pleasure in been mindless drones and doing everything by the book, which often results in more work than would have happened if they had engage some in common sense.

Here is an example that you can use to see how they just make their own lives harder

So one of the things we have to do occasionally is security incident reports, if anything happens like there is a data breach or even if just a potential data breach on one of our brazilian servers, it has to be thoroughly investigated and a report written up about it, so far, so good. Most of the report is written by us or our office in the US depending on what server was breached and what exactly happened, but some of the fine detail work is done by the office in India. A lot of what they do is correlate data and write reports, which are then packaged into the whole folder and then sent off to upper management, who probably ignore it to be honest.

We have this whole knowledge base article that tells everybody how to do every part of the job, the problem is it's awful and out of date so no one reads it anymore. One of the managers in the India office went to look up the report procedure and couldn't find any mention of the India office, because as I said it's out of date. They know it's out of date because the last updated date is sometime around 2018 which was before the India office even opened. So because of this they started to refuse to do the correlating of data, but they didn't say anything to us, they just stopped doing it. So it rolls around to the day before the report is supposed to go up to management, and we realise that they haven't sent us anything yet. So we have a meeting where they state that they are no longer going to do this because the knowledge article doesn't mention them. This results in more meetings to try and work out what the problem is and ultimately the knowledge article gets updated to include them. So now they have 24 hours to do a task that normally takes them a week, and if they don't do it they'll be the ones that get in trouble.

And I'm wondering now having read this if most of it was in fact just the manager being a dictator and everyone else not feeling like they're in a position that lets them argue with him. My manager absolutely would listen to her subordinates but maybe he won't.

My own experience of being, within a large transnational company, technical lead of a small team based in India for a cross-border software development project, is that their own management structures over there were spectacularly incompetent (and I come from a country - Portugal - were management practices are, IMHO, shit compared to the rest of Europe).
Amongst other things, they still had ancient management practices such as "managers must always earn more than technical personnel" which meant that even a junior manager earned more than a senior developer, in turn directly leading to bright young developers moving to management (were they were invariably shit) within maybe 5 years purelly because it was the only way to earn more money, so as a result the broader team (so, not just my project) there had no good senior developers - it was either "senior" in the sense of lots of years working there rather than senior-level expertise or a handful of junior and mid-level devs who were good at that level and could turn into competente senior techies, but were bound to transition to management as even a junior manager earned more than a senior techie.
Other "funny" things were how nobody there would never, ever, ever admit not to have fully understood something or needing more clarification during an open call about the project next-steps with the rest of the team, so I had to do "special handling" for my remote team of talking to each one individually and carefully tease away their questions with some kind of "it's on me" excuse, for example, saying that "I want to make sure I explained things correctly and didn't miss anything important". Notice that my Indian colleagues who were not based in India but rather sat with the rest in London, did not have that peculiar behaviour.
Unsurprisingly, that outsourced team which existed as part of an outsourcing division the senior management of the company had decided to set up in India to cut development costs, didn't actually add significant value because of the overhead of dealing with them and the need to check and correct their work, mean that the vastly more senior - and costly, as half of us were contractors - team in London (of which I was part) ended up losing almost as much time dealing with them and the side-effects of the low quality of their work as was gained from having that India-based team doing part of the development work.
- Other "funny" things were how nobody there would never, ever, ever admit not to have fully understood something or needing more clarification during an open call about the project next-steps with the rest of the team
  I fucking hate it when people do that at work.
- Guess i will do MBA then lol.
  "Be underworked and overpaid"
I have a coworker who is from India, and he's a great guy, but this describes him pretty well:
They seem to take great pleasure in been mindless drones and doing everything by the book, which often results in more work than would have happened if they had engage some in common sense.
It doesn't help that his supervisor is pretty new himself. Sometimes he asks me for advice, or how to do something, and it feels like I'm deprogramming him or something... I think he's slowly getting there, but you can tell that, "yes, that is technically what it says, but this is how we actually do it..." just breaks his brain sometimes lol
- I honestly wonder if they have someone that comes through and regularly beats them with the employee handbook or something.
  We have a couple offshore guys who are decent most of the time, but every once in a while they will suddenly forget how to do anything that isn't explicitly written down and will try to escalate to on call stupid shit they know how to do. And when that happens, my team starts beating up on them because they know what to do, they're just choosing not to do it.
  Happening a lot less now that I've documented most things, but periodically they try to play dumb and we have to do this song and dance again.
I'm glad you got that off your chest; it's a fun story.
I don't really see the correlation between doing the work and the India office being mentioned. Was it like "the US office does this, Brazilian office does that" and since India wasn't mentioned they thought you were handing off extra work to them that you were supposed to do?

Sounds par for the course for Indian work-life balance, from what I’ve heard

2 jobs ago, the business partner for the company I was working at basically outsourced all of their programming work to india. Not a single person in the US on their team knew how either their code or our machine worked.
Anyway, I remember quite a few timesnhearong the work schedule these people had. Theu had one dude who regularly was up until like 5 in the god damn morning so that they could have someone testing their code with our machine.

I would have held it together for a while, but that condescending “mind your language” would set me OFF

To literally the politest version of that reply, as well. Not "mind your language", you mean "stop making me feel like the bad guy"

We need a law that people that treat their employees like this are just forever barred from owning money. Literally. They're legally not allowed to receive or own currency in any form. Make these people go back to barter.

Now introducing cryptocommodities, totally not a currency at all.
- In the satirical Paranoia tabletop RPG, there are Experience Points. This is a post-monetary society where nobody has a job, so you don't earn "Money" by "working", you earn voluntary Experience Points by doing your mandatory voluntary assignments which you can then exchange for goods and (voluntary) services.
- I was initially surprised thst the stablecoin boom didn't seem to involve more commodity or currency-basket pegged tokens.
  But they aren't in it for that, it's a shiny digital way to go back to pre-1860s protocols where a paper dollar was made up by some dubious piggie and you had to know that it was really worth about 35 cents in government silver coin based on how hard it was to exchange, and insiders could make out like bandits via arbitrage and printing junk that they could pump and dump.

Piss off. Some things are more important than economic growth of 1%, like family and friends.

It's not like India has a particularly good economic outlook anyway so I'm not even sure what this guy's on about.
- It's not like India has a particularly good economic outlook anyway
  By which metrics?
- Well if the economic outlook is bad, everyone is strung out and desperate to keep their jobs, so they do things that would normally be considered insane just to keep that stupid check rolling in.
  The ones on top still win and are taken care of.
  Seems like megacorp end goals for most nations and peoples, to be honest.
- Why not blame it on the little guy, asking for a leave for family funeral? In India, businesses have terrible fundamentals. Most IT companies rely on clients from the West. Most Unicorn startups, cannot seem to sustain growth or are plain duds. Manufacturing sucks ass. Government is corrupt af. Research is unimaginative. That's just the richest 10%. Poorest 90% survive on very little like 50 usd a month little.

"Mind my language?! How about this language: fuck you!"

At least I hope that's what the next text was.

India is still a caste state.

I know you're trying to compare this to caste, but India is also literally still a casteist country.
America was explicitly a racial caste state until the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964.
India similarly outlawed caste discrimination in article 17 of it's constitution at its inception.
Of course laws cannot change centuries old social customs overnight. Which is why the US employs DEI to help equalize opportunity and India has gone as far as to implement quotas for the historically disenfranchised in the public sector.

What a psycho.

Please tell me this isn’t real

Even aside from the soap opera-like conversation, the timestamps seem pretty suspect to me. Even assuming STT input it seems unlikely both sides (especially with one being ostensibly emotionally distraught) would be reading and responding within a minute each time.
Image may be faked but it fits a general gist of many Indians work-life expectations. Not different from China 996, Japan, or Korean work culture. Less drinking in India but that's about it.
For satire to work, it has to be based on something real.
It doesn’t really matter if this particular conversation is real. I’m sure conversations similar to this have happened many times, we just haven’t seen them. Consider this one a dramatic reenactment.
My money is on the screenshot being faked – they are texting within minutes and talking about a client "today" at around 23?
But the sentiment is very real. Indian managers are unforgiving, due to their toxic work culture.

The moment when you realize you need to find a new job.

Most meetings are vertigo important

"You want an overreaction? FUCK YOU AND YOUR CLIENT, I QUIT!"

How about we uh, apply the Eskimo method of dealing with these types? I don't want to hear the "they let you feed yourself, they owe you nothing". These leeches hollowed out the system to put us in the position we are in, just so they could exploit us. There's no free forest land, you have to pay taxes for services you don't get to enjoy, and on top of that, there is little competition between workplaces to pander to employee's, only to exploit what little more they can.

One of the reasons that my main goal is figuring out how to get people independent: the workplace corrupts your very soul (metaphorically, there are none).

Did....did she just admit that the system is basically slavery?

yeah, but it wasn't a parent, so it's fine :)

If a boss ever tells me to mind my language, it will be met with an immediate "fuck off with that bullshit" response followed by a call to solve the impasse rationally without resorting to control tactics. No threat, just shock match the energy then bring the conversation back to the ground. If that does not succeed, I would quietly hand my notice the following morning.