Charlie Kirk shot in Utah: Live updates

FYI - links to the gore video will be removed if it is not properly marked as NSFW/NSFL.

Yes, it's bad. This is not like the Trump "maybe it was faked with razor blades" kind of thing.

https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-its-worth-have-cost-unfortunately-some-gun-deaths-every-single-year-so-we (arc)

I abhor violence and I don’t want this to ever be considered normal or acceptable. Once again, we need actual gun regulation in this country.

That being said, fuck that guy in particular. He, his ideology, and the causes he advocates for are monstrous and no amount of violence against him should be used to wash any of that away. Make no mistake, his political ideology has helped build the society that is making this kind of horror more commonplace. Let’s not forget, the society that HE is helping to build is largely accepting of gun violence toward children, not to mention many others.

Once again, we need actual gun regulation in this country.
Not according to Kirk. This is the exact kind of violence Kirk themselves advocated for as being "acceptable".
So in a sense his activism was "complete", in that he was rewarded with precisely the kind of thing he spent literally decades arguing should be the case.
This fucker was lying about trans people, saying they are more likely than white men to commit mass shootings, right before he was shot.
He was perpetrating politcal violence against a marginalized minority when political violence silenced him. I don't think this is a good situation (overall as a nation and a society) but this is very much a live by the sword die by the sword moment.
- Just think he died with a lie on his lips. Its okay though because he has asked the sky wizard to forgive him for all his sins.
I don't abhor it. It's the only language some people understand and we've been placated and lied to since forever that "it doesn't solve anything"
If it doesn't solve anything then why do we have armies?
- It’s funny that violence is fine when the US government is assassinating an iranian general., but is abhorent and deplorable when someone assassinates a propagandist who helped destroy american democracy. It’s like the US has a standard, but it’s like, doubled in some way…
- In the end, all laws are enforced by gun.
Once again, we need actual gun regulation in this country.
Hard disagree. We have plenty of gun regulation. Too much, in fact.
And Trump just said he wants to disarm all Trans folks, so they’re all easier to victimize because of one person. You want more of that? You know who else was in favor of gun control? That’s right.
What we need more than “actual gun regulation” is “actual universal healthcare including mental healthcare”.
You know already, I’m sure, that most gun deaths in the USA each year are from suicide. (gunviolencearchive.org)
Imagine if you gave a shit about that statistic. Now keep imagining that either or both political parties did too. (Stop laughing!) Because however hard you ban guns, all those people still want to die. Imagine fixing that, instead of worrying about whether or not honest people deserve to be able to defend themselves. (Because as it turns out, murderers don’t care about the law, google Abe Japan for an example of that.)
Gun bans won’t stop attacks like today. They’ll stop normal people from defending themselves, and that’s it.

The irony of him talking about shootings in America and then the shot rings out.

That is just…a little too convenient?

That is just…a little too convenient?
Too convenient? It's an assassination ~~attempt~~, of course it's convenient, it's deliberate.
We just don't know what the exact motive was, or if there even was one. There's a lot of information we're missing.
- Yes. I’m aware. I’m saying the shot timing based on what he was talking about literally right then. Was the whole thing/talk about shootings? Was it a very crazy coincidence? Was the asker and shooter a plant?
  We will find out in time. It’s just very weird timing.

Quote from the guy:

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government.

So does this count as defense against a tyrannical government? Given that he's a propagandist / mouthpiece for the current said government causing harm to countless humans right now.

That's not even true. The reason for the second amendment is clearly spelled out in the amendment itself. The part that everyone seems to ignore.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...
It was intended as a way for us to have an army available on short notice without having to maintain a standing army.
- Thank you. Finally another person saying this. I try to point this out any time this lie is spread, but it's so common now most people assume it's true. They do t even bother reading it and trying to interpret it for themselves. It's really clear, even today. Given the context of the time, it's even more clear. Standing armies weren't common, and the new nation was poor and definitely didn't expect to be able to have one. It relied on militias for defence.

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113

Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment

Over 30 minutes since it happened and not a single post on Reddit’s r/politics…. Censorship much?

Yes, they have successfully censored the news. No one will find out.
There are plenty of good reasons to aggressively moderate a shit hole like Reddit. I wouldn’t read into it in this case.
- I’m sure it’s cuz links to the video will inevitably appear in the comments.
  Still, feels like mods putting the thumb on the scale, and makes me glad I’m here on lemmy
Well I saw the actual footage on Reddit in the Charlie subreddit but it has since been privated/privatized/made private… whatever it’s called. You can’t see it unless you were in the subreddit.
It was on /r/news an hour ago

The only good nazi...

Authoritarians use shit like this as fuel to crack down harder.

Yeah, but they use anything and everything as fuel to crack down harder and will only keep cracking down harder and harder until they implode. Other than the talking points people will spout this eveng doesn't actually change anything about our situation.
- Talking Points, you say?
They do that anyway tbh, it's not like they'll just be nice if nothing ever happens during their time in power
Maybe, but is it better to have the pot slowly come to a boil?
but they're going to do it anyways, so what does it matter
- Yeah now some of the merchants of hate may hesitate.
Are you insinuating that they won't crack down harder otherwise?

My non-mod opinion on this:

Trump is posting Kirk is dead.

Not going to celebrate, just noting:

"I can't stand the word 'empathy', I think it's a made up New Age term." - Charlie Kirk

https://youtu.be/qO8GGZ418T8

May the gods judge him fairly in accordance with the life he lived. I bear no further ill will towards him and wish him well in his coming journey. I'm grateful he has stopped hurting people and only wish it had happened differently

Thoughts and prayers.

There is no negotiating with fascists.

I saw an unironic comment on one of the outlets reporting the shooting, and it was "All the liberal violence has got to end".

I mean....WTAF? No one even knows who the shooter is yet, do they? And how many instances are there of liberal violence?

I bet that same dipstick thinks that J6, the Proud Boys, The 3%ers, the Oathkeepers, and all the other right-wing domestic terrorist groups, are all fine, too....

"near the neck"?

- Please mark NSFW/NSFL - I get that the destination is marked, ours needs to be as well.
- Well, there was ample warnings on that link… but I still wasn’t prepared.
- Oh shit he's dead dead. There ain't no way he's surviving that.
- JFC - please be sure you really want to see it before you click.
  I’m in shock
- Fucken hell that got even me a bit and I was desensitized by LiveLeak years ago.
What’s near the neck? The head? The chest? Trachea?
- They would have said in the brain, but that requires brain to be there
- It looked to be in his left side of the neck to me. Very severe shot. This is not a Trump "well, maybe he faked it with razor blades" kind of thing. Dude was straight up shot in the neck.
- Lower left side of the neck, just above the clavicle.
- Ear
If you take the limit of "near" then yes

"Utah Valley University spokeswoman Ellen Treanor has confirmed to the New York Times that Charlie Kirk was struck by a gunman positioned in the Losee Center, a building approximately 200 yards from the event site."

Unlike Mr.Kirk, I'm in favor of much stronger gun control, but that was quite an accurate shot, harmed nobody else, and well timed for context. Unlike the idiots trying to shoot Trump and either killing another person or not even getting a shot off

I don't want him to die, but I have to be honest: I struggle to find a lot of sympathy.

The same guy who said gun deaths are 'unfortunately worth it' to keep the second amendment.

He wants you to die, and is cool with every child that was shot in a school shooting in the past 20 years. He can rot in hell. Some people have earned the fate they received.
Also said that "Empathy is a made up new age word".
This guy deserves no sympathy.
- He didn't deserve it, but I can still choose to be better than him and offer it anyway.
I don't want people to die, in general, either
but he also doesn't have any place in this world. doesn't really leave a lot of options
I guess what I'm saying is I wish he were the kind of person who deserved to live. but that's not what he chose to be
- When he had a chance of recovery my hope was that he had his Paul of Tarsus moment of conversion. It wasn't going to happen because that was a bullet to the neck and he was him, but I'd always rather the evil turn towards good and strive for better. But ultimately I'm glad he has stopped preaching hate

Ya know I've been saying for years the best way to remove Republican influence is to put the propagandists to the sword. Thusly I am not only fully okay with this, I fucken support it.

The Wikipedia editors move fast and have a ton of links up already - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assasination_of_Charlie_Kirk

You can probably guess what Steve Scalise Benjamin Netanyahu and Gavin Newsome have to say, but if you really need to know they're in there

I mean I want leaders disavowing even if it's purely from a tactical standpoint

Violence is never the answer, until it is the only answer. We have been approaching that point and it's just going to get worse. The Luigis out there will keep this up whether it is the right or wrong way to do things. All we can do is watch or try and fix it. Too few are even trying.

This is it. The Kristallnacht has now started thanks to this. It was a good run.

LMAO! Rot in piss Charlie. Thought and prayers out for the old white dude who shot him. Can’t wait to see who the next rung on the ladder is.

Video on threads (Description: Video from far away in crowd captures charlie being shot before panning out quickly. No gore.)

edit:

I found a closer up video on reddit. Dude was shot square in the brachial artery... he's 100% dead.

There is another one, closer up and MUCH gorier. I can't find a link but this is no Trump "fight fight fight" stuff.
- Ah yes. Just wanted to confirm for myself after the whole trump sniper debacle.

Another Nazi down

Good for him

Can someone please reply to this comment with a link to the video, making sure to mark your comment "nsfw"?

Yes. He's alive. Yay, etc.

Edit: apparently he is not that much alive. I wrote this when I read some piece of news that claimed he was shot and taken to the hospital, not pronouncing him dead.

He hasn't been pronounced dead, he was taken to the hospital, where we can assume they're doing everything they can to keep his brain alive. Likely massive blood loss, throat and neck trauma and potential spinal damage, if he does live it's a radically life-altering injury.
Death isn't such a simple process, doctors have different levels they respond to before they make an announcement. Not much we can speculate on other than that. Wait and see.
edit: he ded
Is he?
- We don't know, having vital signs when taken into ER isn't necessarily the same as "gonna live" but we don't even know if he had vital signs, they don't pronounce people dead on-scene, only hospitals will do that after exhausting all avenues for care.
  edit: dead.
I mean, James Brady survived a head shot so anything is possible. Be prepared for early news reports to be wrong and corrected multiple times.

Well... I wouldn't say LIVE updates, but I get it

Every killed Palestine should get this sort of news coverage.

Finally some good news. Any info on what kind of gun they used?