How dare you

I hate my customers too. I get it.

Customer service inspires a certain level of misanthropy

Can't say I blame them. Tourists can be obnoxious, especially in swarms.

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- Dutch is such a beautiful language!

It's not "a" tourist, it's "a milion" tourists they don't tolerate

And the messes they leave. If they could pick up after themselves and not treat our service staff like shit, that'd be great.
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- I recently went to a very.. rich area that’s for sure a destination (there’s a boat tour around the lake to look at mansions, of which there are dozens. It’s really gross. I did not enjoy being there.)
  People looked at me funny when I picked up trash that wasn’t mine while walking.. but like there’s a trash can RIGHT THERE! Why wouldn’t I??
  But that’s just the vibe in touristy areas.. not my home, not my problem. And that’s gross.
No, they all suck 😂

Comments in this thread are weirdly one sided. I get the airbnb shit, mass tourism, and all that, but to me it's more a symptom of late stage capitalism.

At which point do you stop becoming a tourist yourself? Has nobody ever been to another city or region? Are you not sometimes a tourist in your own city, region, or country? You always stay home and never go anywhere?

As a Montrealer, am I a nasty tourist for going to Québec City? Should I stick to my own city? Am I a bad tourist for going to another province? Is Vancouver too far or too rich? Is Toronto too far too? Would I be a bad tourist for going to visit and spend a night in Toronto, coming from Montreal? Am I a nasty tourist for going camping in Ontario? Should I stick only to local campings?

Is it only bad when we go to what... 10 km away from our home? 100? 1000? Where is the line? When we need hosting?

I don't really understand the logic of "fuck tourists", unless they just want everyone to stay home and never go anywhere.

It's almost as if the meme presents an oversimplified view, and you've run with that oversimplification.
- that only happens on reddit
People are pissed that they can't afford rent, where housing is inflated by massive profits of short-term renting. You see more tourists than before, you just want them gone that's all
- But the same asshole still owns all the houses when the tourists leave. Just because they are gone doesn't mean the locals will get anything.
I think there is certainly an element to travel tourism that has soured a lot of people, but also the world has become a very cynical place to live in. Mass tourism machines like cruise ships have several layers of issues to them, but they are also the economic centers of many marine locations that wouldn't be what they are without them, but that's also sort of the problem with them.
Add into it the cheap air fares, etc... and it opened up the world to the average Joe, who has not the best manners or realistic expectations all the time.
Then, add in the fact there are too damn many of us on this planet that anywhere remotely interesting to visit is packed from dawn to dusk and it gets annoying having to wait for things all the time, especially at home for the 3 months or so people want to see your little stretch of the world.
I get it. I don't agree with it all but I get it. I work in tourism to a degree. We are spread too far, everywhere you go there is more of us.
- Add into it the cheap air fares, etc… and it opened up the world to the average Joe, who has not the best manners or realistic expectations all the time.
  Should only rich people should be able to travel? People with more money also have more manners?
  add in the fact there are too damn many of us on this planet that anywhere remotely interesting to visit is packed from dawn to dusk and it gets annoying having to wait for things all the time
  Just dropping this here: Debunking ‘overpopulation’
  There is a football stadium near my home. Those fans should all stay home. I bet some don't even come from my city. They make public transit busy when there are games! Why do we have to share this world with others?!
  EDIT: I don't want to seem like I entirely disagree but again, capitalism and mass tourism. Social media is also to blame. Societal hype. But if you think you have to wait everywhere that's "worth" visiting, maybe you can try to spread out. We don't all have to go visit the Eiffel tower or the same national park in Croatia.
- Mass tourism machines like cruise ships have several layers of issues to them, but they are also the economic centers of many marine locations that wouldn't be what they are without them, but that's also sort of the problem with them.
  Very bad example for your point. The port towns visited profit very little from the cruise ships. People sleep, eat and shop on their ship, the local economy sees almost no benefit but the streets are clogged by their day trips.
- anywhere remotely interesting to visit is packed from dawn to dusk
  That's a bit of an exaggeration, I've been having the time of my life here in vietnam, just ask the locals for some ideas and check Google maps for traffic to avoid the one everyone is already going to, and you'll have a beach, mountain, beautiful twisty roads along rivers and mountains, local swimming hole, etc to yourself and like 3 or 4 locals who you have to flee before they invite you to lunch, introduce the whole family, then dinner, then to sleep at their place, marry their daughter, etc.
  Its not an issue of too many people, just everyone goes to the same exact place because some influencer recommended it.
Has nobody ever been to another city or region? Are you not sometimes a tourist in your own city, region, or country? You always stay home and never go anywhere?
I think you'll find a lot of your answers here.
It's not distance it's behaviour.
You can be from the other side of the planet and as long as your respectful doesn't really matter. But there is certain types of people, typically those who come in large coaches with lots of other people, that can tend to be rather obnoxious and shove their way to the front, so they can take the same picture that everyone takes in front of whatever local monument you wish to substitute.
Often they seem to be Chinese.
- Weirdly, chinese tourists in China are completely different from chinese tourists outside of China, and the effect increases the further you go.
  I suspect the ones with money to travel further and to wealthier countries are the kids of new money petty bourgeois who are used to not giving a shit about social consequences.
Personally, even when I am a tourist, I hate tourist shit. Almost always overpriced, overcrowded, often polished turd quality at premium prices. Go from store to store and it's the same mass produced shit with branding themed for whatever local attractions that place has. Staffed with kids who don't really give a fuck because they are the cheapest available (not that I blame the kids for not giving a fuck, I know I wouldn't in their place).
My last vacation was to visit a friend and that was nice. Instead of doing any touristy shit, we mostly hung out at his place and checked out places he liked to go to, which was a way better experience IMO than something curated by people whose main focus is getting as much money as possible from you.
- there's things that are designed for visitors, and then there's things that are designed for "vacationers" who spend way too much fucking money to just sit around not actually enjoying things for some god forsaken reason.
  the former is great, make things enjoyable regardless of where you're from or how long you're staying.

While not a city, tourists have ruined the town I work in... It used to be a working town and the surrounding area was where people actually lived. Then the area got popular for rich people to come walk around in the summer... They bought all the housing for their vacation homes/air b&b and the bought up local businesses, turning them into seasonal shops...

Locusts...

Daily experience in Hawaii. Litterally had a neighbor whose entire ability to survive is based on his wife's business doing wedding photography complaining about "immigrants and tourists"..

Like bruh. You are a kept man and a poorly performing house husband. Maybe just have the grace to accept things as they are?

This is why the Airbnb ban comes up super controversial too. From an unanalyzed/ outside perspective, the narrative "we need homes for locals" makes sense. Then you find out the entire campaign was pushed entirely by the hotel industry lobby in Waikiki (the counsel member who pushed the ban her husband was litterally on the payroll of the hotel lobby). Then the ban went into effect and it killed thousands of small, pop up businesses that had been cleaning, landscaping, maintaining the rentals. And it didn't do one iota of good in terms of reducing or stabilizing rent; if anything, it made things worse. The airbnb' almost all went down one of three tracks: either the owner kept it going illegally (the highest end with wealthiest owners), the owner stopped renting and has left it vacant, or the owner remodeled or sold to a flipper, in which case the house resold for a price quite litterally no locals can afford in rent.

What people don't want to hear about Airbnb bans is that that they significantly hit the non-corporate, local economies far, far harder. It moved tourists out of local neighborhoods and back into Waikiki, meaning that the dollars those tourists might spend on breakfast, grocery, something on the side of the road in some community outside of Honolulu. It further consolidated power into the very already very small number of hands who own all the hotels in Waikiki, while it did basically nothing to stabilize rents.

The locals who dislike tourists are most likely not the same locals who profit from tourism. Wealth is too concentrated, that's also true for e.g. big hotels or shops in the picturesque old town. If every second or third resident had a room rented out to a tourist that'd likely be a different story. But same as always, some people profit, but all the people suffer the increased traffic, noise, waste, rent etc.

In my experience economies based around tourism have much greater inequality, with a few wealthy landowners/business owners raking it in, scumbag tourists throwing their weight around and any non wealthy locals forced into low wage service work and treated like shit in a high cost of living environment. Fuck tourism and fuck tourists.

As usual, seems he underlying problem is capitalism, not people wanting to visit nice places.
- Its generally the people whom capitalism has rewarded who can afford tourism. And goddamn are they obnoxious about it. Maybe buy a house in your community and spend 4 months there and vote in your elections. Fuckin' scum.
- I think it's entitlement. People feel entitled for some reason? I have no idea why, but they fucking do.
Yuuup. The people complaining are not the ones that decided that their city should be a tourism dump.
This. 100%

That's because that city's economy didn't start dependent on Tourism.

Tourism was just some kind of "silver bullet" that the local incompetent politicians chose because they were incapable of managing the place properly and make it better.

Further, Tourism isn't exactly an activity that can bring a place to the forefront of Economic and Technological development: almost by definition you have to be behind those who are at the forefront and have cheap enough prices to attract tourists from those other, wealthier places - Tourism it's the ultimate "second" World activity.

I'm from one such city, Lisbon, and it's become a joke of a place, sort of an open air entertainment park on top of an historic city, slowly losing character and with the locals getting priced out of buying a home there which is pushing all other Economic activity out, especially things that rely on younger people (who are the ones most hit by the housing costs) such as Tech.

The country spent tons of money in training people to be Doctors, Engineers, Architects and so on and now the Economy is ever more based on cleaning rooms, making beds and serving drinks - literally half of the students graduating from University leave the country.

Betting on Tourism is betting on Mediocrity.

There really is no better proof of the profound incompetence, mediocrity and provincialism of Portuguese politicians than their bet of almost 20% (and growing) of the country's Economy on Tourism.

That said, it's not the fault of tourists.

the advent of airbnb and consorts did far more to the downwards spiral of beautiful places all over the world than the tourists themselves could ever do on their own.
suddenly the tourists don't book the hotels but occupy space meant for regular people . a handful of greedy assholes profits while easily dodging taxes, health or privacy standards and any accountability really.
tourists obviously take the perceived cheapest comfortable accommodation closest to their goal. the large airbnb owners even cosplay as this normal local guy
- Went up to London a couple of months back to see Pulp. Hit up AirBnB to look for a cute place to stay.
  It quickly became apparent that the vast majority of places listed on there are owned by investment firms, or at the very least, firms that own a large portfolio of AirBnB properties. Ended up staying in a cheap, no frills chain hotel near the O2, because fuck that shit.
  If I think too hard about how much companies like AirBnB, Uber, Amazon and such have fucked our local economies, I get really angry. So I tend not to.

Whose*

Lived in Banff for 18 years. Some days those tourists are just the fucking worst; feeding animals, littering, having fires anywhere they want. I got real possessive of my home. But the many are decent, outdoor lovers who don’t suck.

When I went to Banff many years ago, the chipmunks near our lodge were the fattest that I'd ever seen. It was obvious people had been feeding them and they had become dependent on it. Very sad.
I live on a sea side resort in UK. It's a big and very popular one and gets crazy busy in the summer. Some of the visitors show us just how bad humans can be. Litter everywhere, some people just leave it all where they were sitting on the sand. Some people buy tents and just leave them fully pitched and leave full of all their rubbish. Parking, people just park wherever they want even though they shouldn't. Yeah they get a ticket but I guess they think the price of a ticket is worth the convenience of parking somewhere stupid.
Fires are also a serious risk here. On the heath and woodland it is signed everywhere no smoking, BBQs, etc. and yet people still do.
I'm sure there are visitors who are respectful and decent, not everybody is awful. Also a huge shout out to the volunteers and workers who tidy up after these people leave. And the fire services who deal with heath fires every year.

I grew up in San Diego. I can't afford to live there anymore and had to move halfway across the country because of those tourists. Comic Con would be the worst. Just fucking shambles. And then all the people who feel like Comic Con is their home leave their "home" covered in fucking garbage and piss soaked streets. And then some of those tourists started to enjoy San Diego so much, that they all started moving there with their trust funds and high paying remote jobs. By the time I left 5 years ago, I'd meet people and they'd almost all ask, "Where are you from?" to which I'd reply, "From here" to which they'd reply, "No, but where are you from originally?".

Yep. Fucking tourists.

Seattle it's standard small talk to ask where someone is from. The almost five years I spent there I only ever met one person who said they were from Seattle
- For Seattle, my experience is that most of the people are there for tech work. Those folks could have been working anywhere from "just came to this city" or "have been working for 10+ years".
  There's not that many tourists, the few ones that come visit mostly congregate in pike place and around the space needle.

It's not that we live in a direct democracy where the people have a say in the decision to turn the city into a tourism place. More often than not people are born there or moved there long before tourism was so big

Yeah, I'm sure the average person living in a tourist town gets tons of dividends from the extra taxes and capital earnings. It "trickles down" or whatever the kids are calling it these days.

It trickles down so hard that corporations are kicking you out of town by buying up everything and price fixing the rent.
I grew up in a tourist town, and it actually does. I loved being able to use services made for 200 thousand people in a town of 14 thousand.
Like you get a small-ish town, but you get multiple supermarkets competing and driving prices down, you get dozens of restaurants you can go out ot and order from. You can get groceries at 3AM. Hell, I moved to a non-touristic city of 400 thousand later, and I had worse services.
Megacorps taking over is a separate issue.

Traditional fishing village, no fishermen can afford to live there anymore because of tourists, air B&Bs and holiday homes pushing the price of houses up.

Ever seen Bait? It's about that exact scenario.

OP after being kicked out of his home so that the landlord can rent it in airbnb: “well at least the economy is booming!”

Tourists frequently treat the laws as though they are suggestions instead of the law because they'll be leaving and won't deal with whatever they did.

They drove my mother off the road and the tourists walking nearby just watched and did nothing even though she needed medical help as she was on a bike. Luckily she was fine.

Others would argue with me, a kid, about where shit was.

"How do you get off the island"

"One way on and off, it's the way you entered"

"No, there's a way off here"

"There is not"

"Fuck you" they'd say, to a kid, before driving off and finding no no. Kid is right.

Whenever we traveled we were slammed into us to be polite, follow all local laws, be kind, and I just. It feels like a lot of the shoobies just were raised in a fucking barn.

I think this is the first time I've heard the word "shoobies" said that wasn't on Rocket Power
- A good sounding word. Fun to say. So I use it!

Had 3 or so americans in the train. The kids screaming and even came up to my ear to yell in it! They didnt have their kids under control.

Or american "woo!"-girls in the inner city talking so loudly you could hear them 2 streets down about how "its so primitive here.", we "should have a parking spot for them in the center." So they "dont need to walk so much".

There are lots of respectful people tourists. But i have yet to meet a respectful tourist from USA

Your so cute, apparently you have never met well off Chinese tourists.
- I have seen what they do online but not encountered them yet, you are right
Yes you have, you just didn't know they were American or you forgot about them because they weren't memorable.

I mean they often only want the place they live to be affordable and focused on catering to its residents and not people coming a week or so every year being the focus of the local amenities and that's a fair opinion to have.

I’m like this as an american who lives in another country. I get that face when i hear english being spoken because the tourists are usually jackasses.

St Lucia seemed generally excited for their tourism. There's a million all inclusive resorts, but youre encouraged to walk the island, visit the locals, shop anywhere. Every single person i met was pleasant and generally excited to speak with me. I never felt unsafe like they warn about at other tourism destinations

Honestly tho, it felt weird.

Yes. 100%. Every time I see a tourist in SF blocking traffic to take a picture from the top of a hill in the middle of the street, I want them to get hit by a bus.

That's a waste of a good tourist! You could always grind them up for sausage meat.
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I think the problem is not necessarily being a tourist, but egregiously bad tourist behavior.
I have family in, and we're moving to, a tourism hot spot. I honestly don't mind about 95% of the tourists. I even like a lot of them, since the fun ones are great to have around and you can learn about people's lives in so many different places.
The relatively small fraction that acts like total shitheads is what really stands out to me.
- There's a strong correlation between how shitty a tourist is and how likely they are to make posts like OP's demanding that locals get with the program, remember their Disneyland training, and welcome them on their special holiday.

I'm on the memes side.

While tourists can be assholes.

It's amazing how many of these "locals" bitching, either made their money off the tourists or recently moved to town...

I have no sympathy for either type.

Big touristy towns are to expensive for locals to live in, because rents are unaffordable. This also means that pubs or small stores can't exist there anymore because higher rent means higher prices for the customers. Useful stores like cleaners, garages or doctors move out, and overpriced souvenir shops move in. At the end there is no city left for the locals to live in, only hotels and places serving tourists.
- While those places exist. That's an extreme representation of places like Vale, lake Tahoe, etc.
  There are many tourist towns that aren't in the middle of nowhere. And have access to all those things. I live fairly close to a slew of them and have friends who work, live, and do extremely well compared to if the tourists weren't there.

Maybe they lived in the place before the landlords turned the economy over to tourists.

If I lived in Barcelona and got kicked out of my apartment so it could be a peak-season AirBnB and stay 75% vacant the rest of the year I'd be pissed off too.

A few years ago I was hanging out with an elderly friend of mine and group of tourists walked by and one of threw threw some flowers at my friend's face and called him 'f*g' and just walked away with his friends. Nothing I or anyone could do about it besides just watch and feel humiliated. Another time I was smoking a joint outside (as long as you don't do it near as school or some shit the cops don't care because there is typically a DV going on just around the corner and a needle in every fourth arm in my city) and this dude who probably was a cop back home (he just had that look in his eyes) out of the fucking blue started staring me down. Or tried to because by the time I realized what he was doing his friends where already pulling him away and he was just staring at me with such anger like I had just called him gay or something.

At least where I live there is enough cross over of touristy areas and the really bad areas that I get to watch tourists be made uncomfortable when something happens like a homeless woman squats on the sidewalk and takes a piss waving an empty plastic bag in one hand and screaming.

I visited a town that is in a great spot for cycling trips. The locals painted 🚳 on every sidewalk, hung up posters and give cyclists on sidewalks a talking-to while the main roads often lack even dashed bicycle lanes and feel really dangerous to ride on. At least there is no free car parking.

I guess not a great spot for cycling trips any more? Let them fuck around and find out
I kinda wanna go there, rent a giant American car, rev the engine outside their houses at 2am with the speakers blasting, and tell them I wanted to ride my bicycle instead but the signs said no bikes.
Sounds more like your issue is with the drivers. The law states (at least in Europe) that cyclists should be on the road when there's no bicycle lane. And that's what they do everywhere I've been so far and it's fine. Drivers complain sometimes that they have to slow down for a few seconds before they can pass, but whatever, screw them.
If cyclists are allowed on the sidewalks, where are pedestrians supposed to go? Especially since often they're barely wide enough for 2-3 people. Hugging the wall every minute to let a bicycle pass isn't fun.

Looking at you, Kyoto

Oh they're just assholes to anyone, not only tourists. 嫌味.
- Oh, for sure. I lived there for a few years.

88 billion a year apparently gets spent by tourists in NYC, that's a bootload of money for even a city as big as NYC.
Of course the negative part is that a lot of those dollars get spent at the tourist traps, not small local businesses. But I know when I was there, I walked around and tried to visit completely unknown looking pizza places and bars too. And a taco truck.

I don't really care about tourists hanging out in the tourist areas. But could they just drive the speed limit. I get that it's beautiful, pull over and take some pictures you've got 3 cars behind you. They could also make sure their tires aren't bald when they drive up in the winter, yes good tires are a must around here. Also if they wouldn't litter out in nature that would be great too. Or if they would start hikes early in the morning instead of it getting dark out and calling 9-11 for a rescue because they're lost now. Or just learn how to use caltopo, it makes orienteering trivial.

P.S. if you have to shit, walk off the trail somewhere out of sight. No one wants to step on that.

Living in a forest and lakes area that attracts tourists year round now, it's the damage they cause to the surrounding forest and even private property that makes us locals dislike them.
and dig a hole for it if you can, don't just leave it in the open, at least cover it in something
- Yes, those are the rules. But I'd be happy with them if they would at least not poop on the trail. Baby steps

Ah, Ive seen you've been to Paris.

Tourism represents 3.5% of Paris’s economy. I don't think the city would collapse if it stopped overnight.

As always it's the amount that makes something healthy or lethal, Tourism is fine, Over-Tourism is not. And while on normal levels of tourism, many people profit, over-tourism brings money to a few big places, and leaves the rest suffering the consequences like unaffordable rents.

It would be fine if they would simply drive the speed limit instead of 10 under, and stopped littering.

I don’t understand why those two things simply aren’t a given.

Florida in a nutshell.

In the Netherlands they want to spread out all the Amsterdam tourists around more. There are increasingly more tourists coming to my city now... I hate it. Leave them in the shitty Amsterdam, don't ruin my city. Amsterdam is a city full of self centered assholes and it's a tourism theme park. No harm in leaving it that, way.

Sitting in Cape Cod right now, lol