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Particle man, particle man. Clocking your ass like only wifi waves can.

is it illegal? it's not important. particle man.
- Fucking prophetic. FYI it's impossible to feel depressed while listening to Birdhouse in your Soul.

i didn't know I was considered schizophrenic for being aware of how technology is a bus for surveillance

Non techie people are simply still below the "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." point, so that explains why imo. To them you are someone complaining about evil wizard conspiracies.
- What are you on about? This is techies not getting that the tech they are researching is dystopian and dangerous.
The problem with paranoid-crazies is that sometimes there's truth and sometimes its wild.
With how wild the world is its impossible to tell what's what.

This is yet another reason to own (or better yet, build your own) router.

You have to go further.
If you don't fab your chips yourself, you are letting the authoritarian regimes in.
- There’s making a good effort, and there’s perfect acting as the enemy of good.
  If you repurpose an old thin client, install an old enterprise NIC, and slap pfSense or opnSense on it, it’s gonna be a damn sight better in terms of corporate infiltration and co-opting of your infrastructure that whatever Comcast rents to you. That’s all I’m saying, and that’s how I run mine.
To build a secure router from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
Carl Sagan
Good read for those starting to ponder this line of thought.
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf
@gravitasdeficiency@sh.itjust.works @nebula42@lemmy.zip If a neighbor has this thing, it doesn't matter if your router is yours, because theirs will still "infiltrate" (and see as well, as I'll say below) your house as microwave-length (both the 2.4GHz and the 5GHz) electromagnetic waves can and will trespass the walls separating the two...
...except if all your house structure, including walls and the floor and the roof, are layered with a metallic plate and/or a metallic mesh spaced exactly 12cm/x (the wavelength and its harmonics, such as 6cm (4.8GHz), 3cm(9.6GHz), etc) apart, but then it must not be electrically grounded, which then requires the plate/mesh to be something internally "glued" or bolted (with bolts made of non-conductive material) to the wall tiles and floor tiles rather than something buried inside concrete walls. Or, to summarize in two words, Faraday cage.
Why? Because the main problem with this technology is that it's not restricted to wall boundaries. In fact, it's used for some applications (military, police, etc., possibly even Google Streetview did this because they use wardriving to "improve geolocation services") to literally "see through the walls".
Or, to make this more ominous and menacing, "you can be seen in the dark"... And I mean this phrase in a literal sense, because the Wi-Fi transmitter acts like a lamp so a specialized array of Wi-Fi receivers can "see"...
So, actually, even your own router will end up being an involuntary lamp to your house for an external "Wi-Fi eye" (the aforementioned array of Wi-Fi receivers), except if you use other frequencies allowed for ISM (Industrial, Scientific and Medical radio ranges) such as 433MHz.
The solution is simpler yet still involving some complexities (such as math behind electromagnetic wavelength, harmonics, electrical conductivity, etc): Faraday cage all inside the house. Having no neighbors is also an interesting mitigation factor (although increasingly difficult as people are used to gather in neighborhoods, as well as the ongoing verticalization of cities).
- As long as we're carrying cellphones with us at all times, none of this is particularly damning in comparison.
  Signal attenuation is crap compared to directional homing in on the transmitter in your pocket.
- Hot take:
  Live far enough away from your neighbor for their wifi not to reach.
  You need about an acre. Just live in the Boonies. Solve your network and physical security at the same time.
- Just have a jammer doing destructive interference problems solved

I’ve been seeing research on this for a few years now, crazy it’s come this far. You can track the movement of people in a home pretty accurately using WiFi like a radar

Yep. It's also possible to fingerprint people's body signatures and reconstruct poses.
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- mfs made that forbidden tech from The Dark Knight real 😭
- Add this to recreating sound from video of vibrations from objects like plants and potato chip bags
  https://news.mit.edu/2014/algorithm-recovers-speech-from-vibrations-0804
i proof-read a dissertation on that very subject 10 years ago. it was using Bluetooth Low-Energy but the principle was the same. works through walls as well.
- Bluetooth is often used when tracking movement and wait times through queue lines in airports.
how much of this is because they got phones in they pockets
- Not at all in this case since it works by watching how the signals bounce around in a space. I believe any large object could be tracked by this. You could then use the phone in their pocket to identify the large object

This is why you run your AP's with openwrt.

Well, I'm glad they have figured out how to block WiFi signals from leaving your house and detecting your neighbours if you live in an apartment or terrace........

This is another Pandora's box moment I think. I kinda was enjoying walls still being somewhat effective privacy guards

I think there is actually some anti-wifi paint. Though I am pretty sure it would only work well if you also paint the floor and ceiling.
- You’re thinking to small. You must get several extremely powerful emitters and simply jam up the wavelengths that wifi operates at for the entire block. Ideally you have them emit in a way that anyone trying to track your movement and position with it instead just get a dancing 3d model of some character.
  Concealment isn’t enough, you must asset electromagnetic dominance over your neighborhood.
- just use wire mesh wallpaper
- like, leaded paint?

You buy the head unit, and then you put the cameras wherever you want???
What are you talking about?

Recent research paper that I assume this is based off of: https://arxiv.org/html/2507.12869v1

By leveraging non-visual biometric features embedded in Wi-Fi CSI, this study offers a privacy-preserving and robust approach for Wi-Fi-based Re-ID, and it lays the foundation for future work in wireless biometric sensing.
how the fuck would this make it privacy preserving?? who are these lieing to, themselves, policymakers, or the general public?
- D all of the above. Probably comes from a narrow conceptualization of privacy that ends at "do you know what my privates look like", maybe stretching to "can you listen to me orgasm". It wasn't specifically the intent of the piece, but I remember when Last Week Tonight did a bit about data collection exposed by Snowden and demonstrated that Joe Public doesn't conceptualize the loss of privacy well until it is placed in the context of "private parts"/peeping tom behavior, at least in the US context

Okay, well I needed an excuse to hire an electrician and rewire sound outlets, but if they can install Ethernet ports and I don’t have to deal with anything like this shit I’ll be happier.

It's not just your wifi, it's any wifi. Best start building a Faraday cage.
- Also, you can prevent your wifi from being used this way against you, get an open-source router
- jammer is better

Straight evil.

And even dumber to boot!

Cool, now we can find all the invisible people living in our homes! /s

This is why I never interested with technological advancement and innovations in the past decade. Sure a lot of it are technically cool, I maybe even want to play around or even tinker (if accessible) with some of them.

But not for them to constantly make me consume all of those things or for them to use it malicously to people.