Quick! before the woke gets em!
Quick! before the woke gets em!
92 comments
-
-
Risking some downvotes here, but just like most stories, not every character in the Bible is supposed to be a paragon of morality. Just like in any story, people do bad things.
Obviously this post is somewhat satirical, but dunking on something like this just reminds me of book banning arguments, and that general lack of literary comprehension. There's better things to take issue with.
-
Lot of the bible is described as the only moral person in the whole city (two cities actually), the only one deserving to live. If that's not the definition of being paragon of morality, I don't know what is.
-
That's the beginning of the story, yes.
Then the story goes on with Lot's wife turning around and perishing for it, and then Lot's daughters get Lot drunk with the goal of getting him to get them pregnant.
And then there's no further judgment about either Lot or his daughters in the rest of the story.
Even contrary: It displays the daughters as having given the circumstances and their actions a lot of thought and makes it sound as a very logical conclusion. And it says that the father was so passed out drunk that he didn't notice the whole thing.
(That's obviously hard to believe when taking it as a factual history, but like the rest of Genesis it's not. The whole first book of Moses is basically the origin myth of the israelites, not a historical record. The general consensus is that Lot never existed, contrary to e.g. David, who is most likely an actual historical person. And since this is just a myth, it's just as internally logically consistent as Harry Potter fanfiction.)
So the whole point in the OP is quite disingenous. Neither did Lot rape his daughters, nor does the text put the blame on any of them and nobody gets called a whore.
In fact, Lot is not a king.
-
Wasn't his issue that he got so drunk his daughters raped him? Turning that around seems to be horribly along the lines of saying women can't rape men, an issue that is pretty bad in the modern era.
Implying that one can't be moral if one has been raped is pretty horrendous.
-
"Good" also doesn't mean flawless at all times. Characters can make mistakes and still be "good" without you having to justify everything they've done as perfect.
An even better example is King David, the one and only "man after God's own heart" taking another man's wife while he was fighting David's war, and then arranging his death to cover it up after he got her pregnant.
Arguing that that, or this, is advice for the reader, or meant as an example of something you should do, is a comical straw man. A narrative doesn't usually stop to explicitly label "good" and "bad" for us like children. There's loads to complain about with popular far-right Christianity, why would we invent ridiculous arguments that are easy to debunk and make us look like we don't have good literary comprehension?
-
-
-
Cat owners?
Spicy food?
-
Actually, yeah. Raised fundamentalist.
Cats are animals and don't have souls, intensely loving and personifying a pet can be seen as sinful. Also, having pets instead of childen is sinful as you're supposed to be fruitful and multiply.
I'm not sure if there is a particular verse for spicy food, but sobriety in all things. I used to get in trouble for using more than a drop of Tabasco or too much black pepper. IIRC, I got whipped once for too much Tabasco in my grandmother's chicken stew, (it was seen as an insult).
Gotta go. Saying goodbye to Lulu the cat, who's a person. Leaving for a clothing optional BDSM weekend and bringing habanero hot sauce for taco night.
-
Spicy food is a gateway to anal sex.
Please don't ask for proof.
-
Spicy foods = covert racism
Generally speaking spicy foods are from non-white ethnic foods.
-
-
Spicy food the hardest burn on here.
-
Clever!
-
-
Parents tend to be disgusting low lives
-
Wow that's... Aggressive. You've just demeaned your entire species. What do you gain from that?
-
I honestly think it just gets people on board for authoritarian bullshit. I have watched a lot of people turn into total.nut jobs after having children.
-
-
Cmon at least get the story right. Lot's daughters got him drunk on wine and raped HIM
Edit: Don't remember him being a King either
-
came here to point this out
30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”
33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab[a]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi[b]; he is the father of the Ammonites[c] of today.
so yeah, not a king, and he was raped (not the rapist)
though he did offer his two daughters up to be raped to protect his guests (if that seems strange, the story is ultimately about the importance of hospitality, since back then, hospitality was more life or death):
3 But [Lot] insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
-
He wasn't a king.
Also, he offered a group of angry Sodomites his daughters to rape just to get the crowd to leave him and the other dudes alone, because they showed up to rape the dudes because they weren't from there.
After his wife was turned to a pillar of salt, he flaked out of living in a city and moved the family to a cave, where said incest happened.
Ultimately, this is one of those "WTF are people doing taking this literally?" stories. It's not a convoluted story about the real and least lucky person not killed in Sodom and Gomorrah, but a 3-hour movie that should have been 3 seasons of 10 episodes about 1) showing hospitality, 2) if you're living in a messy situation, just get out of there, 3) lessons on genetic diversity among Hebrew elders and leaders 4) "proper subjugation of women!" /s 5) Yahweh hates the gays! ("It's the gays! They're trying to kill me!" -Lot) 6) Vehicle for lesson from unnamed wife about living in the past, and 7) Be careful about stealing the sperm of descendants of King David! Collectors love the stuff! (this is actually a thing in the ancient and modern world. It's all been Jerry Springer all the time since we learned to write down how trashy people are.)
-
-
Underage girls can't concent. The story sounded more like "God" influenced/controlled those girls to do that. No winners in the story.
-
Tampons and spicy food is woke?!!
-
There is/still is a big deal with snowflakes who get upset when they see free tampons in a public bathroom.
-
"Everything I dont like is woke. The less oi like it, the more woke it is!"
-
Spicy food being foreign usually (and in some wacky people like John Kellogg, too 'exciting' and may cause sin), and iirc tampons because they go inside unlike pads, therefore sinful.
-
is now.
-
Burns worse than continued rural poverty, the growing social divide AND the Epstein Files combined. Ergo it MUST be a liberal ploy!
-
-
Try Greek mythology if Christian myths are too tame.
-
The difference is that Greek mythology isn't being used to strip people of their rights.
-
Give it time, pessimist.
-
-
-
Bidets are woke??
-
Legit some men think if you even wipe (!!!) your ass, then you're signaling to gay men you're available for sex. Well, at least this can lead to some Darwin awards (normal fecal bacteria can be somewhat nasty, but bacteria in poop that is not fresh is extremely bad).
-
That's so nasty I would have found it hard to believe if I wasn't aware of just how outrageously homophobic some people can be.
-
-
Having a clean ass is for homosexuals and Communists, duh!
-
-
Whoa, wrong way round! The daughters got him drunk on purpose so they could rape him and have his kids.
-
That's his story.
Dude disappears into the desert for years with his daughters and comes back with both of them pregnant. I'm not going to lend to much credence to what he says happened.
-
Dude didn't exist. Genesis is a collection of myths, not a historical record.
The old testament consists of books that were old legends when they were written down (like Genesis), books that were contemporary fiction (like the story of Iob), books that are poetry (like Song of Solomon) and books that are historical (like the Book of Kings).
Of course, even the historical books need to be taken with a chunk of salt, they have a lot legends, folk tales, miracle stories and other fictional elements mixed into them. But the difference is that the historical books contain real people who for the most part actually existed, while the other types of books in the bible are completely fictional, either expressly (as in the case of Iob) or due to them being legends.
Sadly, there's a ton of people (both christians and non-christians) who don't know that and think that everything in the bible was meant as a hard historical record, and then you get stuff like in the OP. (OP went a bit farther, misquoting pretty much everything about the story.)
That's about as smart as picking up a random book from the library, believing that everything that's written there is meant as pure fact, and then complaining that a caterpillar doesn't eat all the different kinds of food that the little caterpillar ate.
-
The same story says that a bunch of towns people showed up at his door to rape his guests. Lot offered his virgin daughters to be raped instead.
For some reason, Lot and his family were considered the only ones worth saving in that city. But not his wife, because she really wanted to be back there. That's unforgivable.
-
He couldn't have lied, that's a sin
-
-
And why is he "King" Lot in this? I actually can't tell if this is 7D gigabrain satire or if this comes from some loose recollection of hearing a Bible story 20 years ago.
Edit: also, the image looks GPT-generated. What the fuck is up with the boy's Polnareff-ass head, why is his left leg melting, and how is the dad's left arm wrapping around him?
-
boy’s Polnareff-ass head,
The kid actually bears a resemblance to kevin in home alone, doesn't he? Maybe it's just the red sweater on the blond kid, but I would swear it was him.
-
So in the story where they're hanging out in the cave, his daughters thought they were the last people on earth and had an "obligation"
If you think this gives Lot a free pass, though, remember earlier, when the strangers (apparently angels,) were hiding in his place and the sodomites came out, he offered his own daughters to get raped instead.
Regardless, this entire affair is something that never happened.
-
-
-
OP, are we having slop for content again?
-
You think I made this shit? Fuck no, I stole this fair and square
-
-
Honestly in this case I think AI was a deliberately chosen medium - it's a parody of alt-right memes (if the original creator didn't just outright steal one) and those are AI.
Although it'd be hilarious if an actual artist deliberately imitated AI art.
-
“We have slop at home.”
-
Yeah... something looks really weird about their faces. Is this not even one of the more recent models?
-
-
Public sunscreen stations? It's about time! If there's anything I learned from the '90s it's that everyone should wear sunscreen.
-
When did bidets become politicized, that's a new one for me
-
Maybe they can’t tell the difference between bidet and biden. Because, you know, they never research what either does or what effect it has.
-
Tampons and spicy food are the ones that got me, lol.
-
Stephen Miller doesn't eat spicy foods. In fact, he doesn't use any condiment other than mayonnaise.
https://newrepublic.com/post/199058/stephen-miller-diet-disgusting
-
-
-
Public sunscreen stations? Do those exist?
-
Yes but his name is Don and only applies to kids
-
Ewww, ewww, ewwwww.
-
-
-
I don't mean to invoke phrenology but the little girl on the right isn't doing the right any favours.
-
it's her bedtime pancake, don't judge
-
Her bloodline is as pure as the driven snow there hasn’t been an outsider there for generations.
-
92 comments
This is so perfect.
I'm from a conservative white american family, and some of the odd-sounding ones are still perfect for illustrating the issue in that culture where different people are not just different, they are bad and scary until proven otherwise.
Obviously things like hate, bigotry, and other-ing are a problem for the entire human race. I'm just thinking of the particular flavor that you get with dumb trumpers.