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You cam see the weekends. Even after school is out and the students aren't using it, Mon-Fri office works clearly still are.
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His is the scariest chart of the 2020s? Not the alarming warming spikes or the more powerful natural disasters? Who gives a shit if kids are cheating in school if they world they’re going to inhabit one day won’t leave them time for book learnin because they’re too busy surviving.
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Tbf, part of why shit it so bad is because people are uneducated. If they can’t think for themselves then they’ll just believe whatever bullshit Fox News or the algorithm feeds them without critically thinking about it at all
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I definitely get it. The chart is bad. I just meant more like…we are so close to that point of no return on the climate. If we haven’t already surpassed it. The damage is done. It’s game over. How bad is it going to get is the question now.
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And we've already seen that a company CAN change the "behaviour" of an LLM with a flick of a switch ("MechaHitler", anyone?), so imagine people being too lazy to research/learn, and a popular LLM being run by malicious actors.
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We haven't even seen a tenth of how much damage poor education can do to the world.
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What we see here is the real user base of LLM. And 97% of them are free users.
It's hardly a mystery why no AI company is remotely close to making a profit, ever.
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Yup, I'm surprised the bottom hasn't dropped out from these companies yet. It will be like the dot com crash in the early 2000s I'm guessing. And they'll act so surprised...
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They're being artificially propped up by billionaires to use as a bludgeon against labor. Profit is less important to them than destroying upward mobility and punishing anyone who thinks about unionizing.
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The value isnt the product; that's garbage.
It's the politics of the product. Its the labor discipline, the ability to say 'computer said so'. Why bomb hospital? Computer said so. Yes, i wanted to bomb hospital, but what i wanted didn't factor in! i did it because computer (trained to say bomb hospital) said so!
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Fuck no, it'll be much worse than the dotcom bubble. If you want to be terrified, look how much of the stock market is NVIDIA and the big tech companies.
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bottom can't drop out if they never had a bottom
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Sorry to break it to you, but AI does have uses, it’s just they are all evil.
Imagine things like identifying (with low accuracy) enemies from civilians in a war zone.
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Have we still learned nothing about enshittification? This implication of this graph is that there’s an entire generation of people being raised right now who won’t be able to do jack shit without depending on AI. These companies don’t need to be profitable right now, because once they’re completely entrenched in the workflows and thought processes of millions of people, they can charge whatever they want. Accuracy and usefulness are secondary to addiction and dependency. If you can afford to amass power and ubiquity first, all the profit you can imagine will come later.
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I mean, I failed / dropped out of High school, I'm absolutely fine. I'm not worried for the kids tbh. Kids will always take the path of least resistance when it comes to schoolwork, just the path is now actually getting homework done by an ai instead of just guessing / skipping the assignment. I'm genuinely more worried for all the older generations who don't realize that because of AI honor roll has 0 meaning now.
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once they’re completely entrenched in the workflows and thought processes of millions of people, they can charge whatever they want
Except that those people won't have jobs or money to pay for AI.
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This is why they report "annualized revenue" where they take their best month and multiply it by 12.
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AI. The Boat of big tech.
A giant pit you throw money into and set it on fire. I guess its a worthwhile investment for Thiel and his gaggle of fascist technocrats. So they can use it to control everyone.
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Not that I have sources to link but last I read I thought the big two providers are making enough money to profit on just inference cost, but because of the obscene spending on human talent and compute for new model training they aren't turning a profit. If they stopped developing new models they would likely be making money though.
And they are fleecing investors for billions, so big profit in that way lol
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Midjourney reported a profit in 2022, and then never reported anything new.
Cursor recently made 1 month of mad profit, by first hiking the price in their product and holding the users basically hostage, and then they stopped offering their most succesful product because they couldnt afford to sell it at that price. They annualized that month, and now "make a profit".
Basically, cursor let everyone drive a Ferrari for a hundred bucks a month. Then they said "sorry, it costs 500 a month". And then said "actually, instead of Ferrari, here's a Honda". Then they subtracted the cost of the Honda from the price of the Ferrari, and called it a record profit
This is legal somehow
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The companies that were rasing reasonable revenue compared to their costs (e.g. Cursor) were ones that were buying inference from OpenAI and Anthropic at enterprise rates and selling it to users at retail rates, but OpenAI and Anthropic raised their rates, so that cost was passed onto consumers, who stopped paying for Cursor etc. and now they're haemorrhaging money.
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The problem is that you do need to keep training models for this to make sense.
And you always need at least some human editorialization of models, otherwise the model will just say whatever, learn from itself and degrade over time. This cannot be done by other AIs, so for now you still need humans to make sure the AI models are actually getting useful information.
The problem with this, which many have already pointed out, is that it makes AIs just as unreliable as any traditional media. But if you don't oversee their datasets at all and just allow them to learn from everything then they're even more useless, basically just replicating social media bullshit, which nowadays is like at least 60% AI generated anyway.
So yeah, the current model is, not surprisingly, completely unsustainable.
The technology itself is great though. Imagine having an AI that you can easily train at home on 100s of different academic papers, and then run specific analyses or find patterns that would be too big for humans to see at first. Also imagine the impact to the medical field with early cancer detection or virus spreading patterns, or even DNA analysis for certain diseases.
It's also super good if used for creative purposes (not for just generating pictures or music). So for example, AI makes it possible for you to sing a song, then sing the melody for every member of a choir, and fine tune all voices to make them unique. You can be your own choir, making a lot of cool production techniques more accessible.
I believe once the initial hype dies down, we stop seeing AI used as a cheap marketing tactic, and the bubble bursts, the real benefits of AI will become apparent, and hopefully we will learn to live with it without destroying each other lol.
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Hell, openai didn't turn a profit on users paying $2000 a month.
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Simple evil solution.
Make it part of tuition.
Devil blushes
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If you think that's the scariest graph in the 2020s you have a shit memory of what happened at the beginning of this decade...
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The other J6
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For a brief moment, I felt hope.
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Trusting unsourced graphs is as stupid as trusting AI.
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"June 6 is when school gets out in... uh... all the places where the children are using this AI thingy. Right."
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cant wait for my surgeon to ask chat gpt where the bladder is
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You must be laughing but I work with medical professionals and they do use ChatGPT all the time. Maybe not (yet) for trivial stuff like what you said, but basically for everything else. My boss, a senior physician, basically tells everyone that the end of medical education is near and proposes some form of human-assisted AI in medical practice.
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'Chat GPT? Explain to me like I'm 5 how to remove an inflamed appendix, but use only Roblox terminology... Also, say it like Mr. Krabs from SpongeBob.'
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"What do 'left' and 'right' mean again?"
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the sooner the ai bubble bursts and takes down big tech with it the better
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Honestly the AI bubble is going to take the entire stock market with it. Over a quarter of the S&P 500 (an index of the 500 and something most valuable companies on the US Stock Market) is made up of tech companies directly investing in the AI bubble, and most individuals and funds these days invest into indexes rather than individual stocks so when a single overvalued market sector making up over a quarter of the market loses most of its value, every stock portfolio is going to lose a shitload of value.
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It will take everything with it. We're betting the future of the whole global economy on a homework machine.
This dream that we'll wake up tomorrow and AI will be a profitable product is the only thing saving us from the full fallout of the tariffs.
It's so much worse than most people could understand from a chart.
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I'm hoping it goes rogue. So rogue that AI becomes a boogieman that makes people shit their pants at its mention like in Cyberpunk.
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It is a very advanced autocomplete, not a proper AI.
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Would be funny if it went rogue while its still kinda dumb. Cleaning out a worldwide infestation of mostly harmless semi-self-aware software would surely teach everyone a lesson.
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What do you mean “goes rogue”? Like, that the program gets corrupted?
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This seems like a good place for a thought i had yesterday. I was driving home and watched a younger woman, no older than 20 take a corner fast and sharp on the sidewalk. She was on one of those electric scooters you can rent. My first thought is how fun that would have been at that age. Then i really started thinking.
Here was this young woman pretty sure at driving age but vehicle prices are out of control. So owning even a beater may be too much for many. I had a scooter very similar but you had to push it everywhere. The deference is, I was eight. I think what I'm trying to find the words for is their privilege of a motorized scooter came at a price they'll never even understand.
These poor youth think they have it easy with there motorized scooters and chatgpt for answers. Truth is there are benefits to some things, maybe history will show I'm being an old fuddy duddy but I know i would still rather afford a cheap car than have rentable scooters.
Maybe like my teachers before me they will only be half truths. My teacher was right, I don't carry a calculator on me at all time. The supercomputer the size of that old calculator, that just so happens to also have that function? Well, its never far.
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Despite being from a time before the internet, pocket calculators and smart phones, (my first "calculator" was a slide rule), I'm as quick to adopt and master tech as I find a need for it. I like shiny new tech.
But as someone who also spent a few years teaching math in a my local and very rural school, I was not very generous with the use of that super computer in your pocket in my classroom. The reason being I wanted you to get your fingers dirty and greasy playing and manipulating those numbers yourself. I wanted to you develop a personal relationship with them and have at least a basic idea of the how and why they work.
Modern tech is great if you already have an understanding of how things work and can simply view it as a tool. But modern tech pretty much prevents people from developing the basic understanding of the how and why things work. And we are all dumber for it.
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Thank you for making your students do that. I'm sure it made them miserable at the time but I guarantee they are better for it.
In college I had a similar experience with statistics. I had to run a factor analysis by hand start to finish, calculating standard deviations, means, and all the other crap, showing work over 3 pages to get eigenvalues and all that. It sucked, but dammit if I dont have a WAY better appreciation for how it works now than I ever would have otherwise.
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When I was growing up, programmable calculators were allowed in math class, but not required. Even so, I was the only kid in my class without one. (They were expensive then.) I failed every test, both because the work was difficult without all the formulas saved, and because the problems were complicated enough that I never had time to finish.
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Lol, your comment about the vehicle is stupid as fuck. There is a woman on a scooter. Your city network provides her the possibility to drive with a small vehicle with low emissions and low noise pollution, she doesn't need to take the car. You don't know if she owns a car or not, maybe she just prefers the scooter? Her using the scooter is a net positive for everyone. Less traffic, less noise, less emissions and she still gets to her destination quickly
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Why is it stupid?
You are being really mean for someone saying, in general, that the next generation doesn't seem to have it better. Why is that stupid? I don't understand why you would think that's a dumb sentiment to have unless you were just a mean person. Is that not a normal worry to have for children?
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Hey I'm one of the youths in their 20s who can't afford a car because America devolved into a third world country by the time I aged into adulthood. I bought my first car, 3 years ago and it broke down within a few months, then I bought a car with my partner so we would have wheels. We are divorced now. No car and I only have an ebike so I'm thankful for the transportation I do have, at least I don't have to ride the bus
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Thats rough. I wish i could say it will get easier but after 40 years I've noticed it doesn't. I truly hope you get ahead. It's not easy out there right now. Cheers mate.
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Holy shit, you can even see the weekends.
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My take away is that it's mainly children who are still using the free version of ChatGPT. Surely everyone else has moved on to better models.
If you want to know what people are typing into chatbot sites, here's 140,000 examples: https://huggingface.co/datasets/lmarena-ai/arena-human-preference-140k. It's mostly nonsense.
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Excuse me but who is "everyone else"? I am thankful to know noone who pays for this slop.
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June 6th is not when school's out over here.
So is the hypothesis that OpenAI's usage is heavily regionally skewed to... wherever classes end that date? I'm guessing US, because that's what I guess when somebody forgets there's a planet attached to their country.
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Schools in the US don't all follow the same schedule; it varies drastically state to state, and can even vary by district within any given state.
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Even worse for that hypothesis, then. Assuming the poster was from the US in the first place.
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Exactly. Some universities end their spring terms in early May. Some in early June. K12 schools tend to more consistently end their years in early June, but that's still spread out over a few weeks.
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Yeah that kind of coordination coming from the end of the school year doesn't make sense. Zooming out a bit it looks like there was just a spike in May 2025. It was all useage of a particular model, OpenAI's GPT-4o-mini, which barely registers outside of these short periods of high use in March and then May of 2025. I don't really know what a 'token' is so maybe it's not a 1:1 comparison when useage shifts between different models? Or the data's bad? Or some particular project used that model a large amount in those specific months?
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A token is the "word" equivalent as far as AI is concerned. It's just not a full word, it's whatever unit of meaning the neural network has decided makes sense (so "ish" can be a token by itself, for instance). Point is, tokens processed is just a proxy for "amount of text the thing spat out".
At a glance, and I haven't looked into it, this looks like a product launch or a product getting replaced or removed, maybe putting something free behind a paywall or whatever. Definitely not the school year ending in a particular place. It's pretty clearly misinfo, I'd just have to do more homework to figure out what kind than I'm willing to do for this purpose, but your assessment definitely makes a ton more sense than the OP.
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I’m guessing any college that wants to hop on trends has an LLM class that chugs through tokens.
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Is that relevant to the June date? Universities aren't any more internationally consistent than other tiers of education, to my knowledge.
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hahahahahaha holy shit it's not even a scaled graph jesus christ
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Yeah without doing any research a consistent 2/3 drop is actually pretty damn compelling. Saving this to check back when US schools restart in a month
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Is there a source for the chart? How do we know it's official data?
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https://x.com/mazeincoding/status/1952787361768587741
Here's the link to the original tweet. A lot of people saying 1 big client probably switched models. As all the other models rose during the same time period.
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What school gives work in the last few days, though? At least from what I remember, it was mostly wrapping things up, watching movies in class, etc.
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Maybe we should not believe unsourced graphs?
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They banned fun in most schools
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Tests and stuff?
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When parents fail to reinforce the value of education at a young age, this is the result. I know people personally who openly admitted to using chatgpt during finals at college, and they aren't bad people, but they don't see the value in the serious mastery of education, and they weren't exactly model students before chatGPT came around either.
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The education system is fundamentally bullshit and they're not wrong to try to get out of doing the make work. I just encourage them to do self-education outside of school because at least then no one's going to make you write some dumb essay. If Chad GPT existed when I was in school you bet your butt I would have used it and retrospect I would not have been unjustified in doing so
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School as in post-secondary? Otherwise June 6 seems early
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Depends where you live. Where I am at, most schools end at the end of May, but then start around the beginning of August
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Yea the official end of school was like June 18th when I was in high school, but there was seldom any real work assigned the last couple weeks. Advanced Placement classes have their exams in May then nothing after.
I just checked the calendar and this year June 6th was a Friday which seems like a likely day for the last assignments of the year to be due.
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that's really late where I live. May 28th is when mine got out
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Agreed. My last day of HS was June 12, standard school year schedule. 2nd week of August to 2nd week of June.
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In my district in Arkansas school ended May 28th
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same in florida
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I can't independently find this chart, does openai publish their daily usage data?
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The statistics are from OpenRouter, not OpenAI: https://openrouter.ai/provider/openai
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This is such obvious bullshit lmao. I'm about as anti AI as they come but come the fuck on you must have had friends with schools that started summer break at different dates of the year? Or that other countries exist with different schooling requirements? I know some contries are better but everyone besides places like france probably have students using LLMs.
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I was thinking the same thing. Although the graph does have some taper to it and maybe "most" schools end around the 6th?
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What do the colors mean?
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This is implying that LLM usage by students is all bad (either because of cheating or because or because of kids getting bad information from LLMs). If I were a student, I'd absolutely be using LLMs to help me organize notes, summarize things, quiz me on material, and get general overiews of certain topics/explanations of problems, etc. I'd also not assume everything it spit out was correct.
LLMs have a LOT of problems and pose potential pitfalls for students, but they are a tool. They can be used in different ways and those ways are not all bad.
Also school gets out on different dates in different places.
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An index card full of test answers is also a tool, but you’ll find most examination centers don’t allow them.
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That is ignoring the vast majority of usage. Read about what professors, teachers, etc. are saying about its use and you will not hear it being used as tool as the major use. Everyone claims they are using it as a tool, but most people are using them to outsource thinking, unfortunately. Which is highly problematic when the outputs of LLMs are highly wrong much of the time. You need to use the same skills to evaluate the output that people are outsourcing away. Tools like calculators at least do their tasks correctly as long as your inputs are correct. The same is not true of LLMs. Moreover, people are blindly trusting the LLMs to a point where they are completely stuck whenever the LLM can't do something or are wrong
Tools like calculators do not take away your ability to think logically, just to do route computation. Research is still emerging, but suggests long term negative effects on cognitive abilities from high LLM use
Also: Regardless of if this graph is caused by schools getting out or not, it's still very highly used in schools.
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Uh I'm a student and the only real thing most people do with LLMs is make it do their work for them. At least the good students will use it to avoid doing busywork. I used it in my physics college class to do my homework because the class was easy, and I got an A on the final exam.
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LLM are powerful when used for what they are - predictive text. While I dont trust them completely you can usually catch most hallucinations of a bit cautious. Just like I don’t trust a blog post blindly.
Have trouble understanding some topic / technology? I’ll ask two of them to explain. Or copy one answer into the next and have it verify.
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Jesus
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Question: which country are they talking about? When I search for summer vacation 2025 nothing comes up for June 6th.