actually not a bad movie
actually not a bad movie
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Someone should force them all to listen to Superman Vs. The clan of the fiery cross!
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It's not a bad movie, it's not great either. I was probably expecting too much because Gunn directed it.
One thing I wouldn't have ever described it as is 'Woke'. Yeah, Superman seemed to have a pretty decent (if simplistic) take on the Israel/Palestine analogues, and didn't seem overly eager to kiss the governments ass- but the underlying power structures of oppression aren't really examined.
If we are using the word as MAGAts have attempted to redefine it (anything they don't like), then yeah I guess it could be 'woke'. It has "females" with opinions, people of color and foreigners treated as human beings, a very mild critiques of Israel, an old farmer and his wife that weren't automatically portrayed as closed minded fascists simply because they were 'country folk'. etc.
The only semi interesting question I left the movie with is ::: spoiler spoiler "Was the message from Kal-El's parents doctored by Luthor" My guess is that it was. :::
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It’s Superman you shit for brains assholes. Being good to people and fighting wrong doing while preserving life and making things better for everyone is like his whole thing.
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You'd think they'd be more hung up on the fact that Superman is, himself, an illegal alien.
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The extreme right (aka, most of the Conservative Party and voters) would prefer to claim him because he’s attractive, strong, and white-presenting. So they’ll happily ignore Supes’ own illegal status in lieu of smearing the image to force the character in line via societal and social pressure for creators and writers to conform.
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Art is not supposed to be social commentary! I just wanna be sedated into a heroin like coma where I can never reflect on my actions or beliefs
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He's literally an alien from another planet. He was sent here because he lost his home planet. He's always been an immigrant/refugee. Do these people have a single brain cell between all of them?
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I say this a lot, but conservatives either have very poor media literacy, or are happily lying to further their agenda. Sometimes both.
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I had one guy try to tell me he was probably legal.
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Both, it's both.
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He also came here as a child.
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He also fought Nazis. And turned the KKK into cartoon villains.
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The story's only been around 86 years. Relax.
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Yeah but he's nice. And their president told them that immigrants are rapists and killer
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And eaters of dogs and cats.
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I’ve slowly distanced myself from political communities so now I see nonsense like this and wonder what’s going on out there.
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The new Superman movie basically had the message of "Don't be a shit person"; people are outraged.
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The bad guys have a military to gun down brown unmarked families to take over a neighboring country.
Zionists: and I took that personally.
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The word woke is badge of honour at this point.
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Always was.
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I love "insults" that are really complements
You're smart, haha nerd!
You're capable of empathy, haha woke!-
Remember "social justice warrior"? Always made me think of Superman, incidentally
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I always hated it because it's in the past tense but used in the present tense in common parlance. It should be "awakened", but I always preferred "aware" or "cognizant" if "woke" means to describe a state of understanding of the historical patterns of predation, conquest, and subjugation along with their underlying causes between groups of people (my opinion on its definition; not meant to be taken as gospel).
However, it doesn't matter what I think; grammatically incorrect or not, language evolves relentlessly.
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A synonym for 'anti-woke' is ignorant, so if that's what people want to reveal themselves to be, it's fine by me and that's what I'll call them.
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If it helps, the word is about 80 years old and was coined by Black musicians in the 1930s, most notably blues legend Lead Belly, who would end concerts by telling people to "stay woke".
So it's not just a contrived way to say "awake"; it comes from natural speech.
Your definition is pretty much the same as the original definition. It means being aware of the existence of systemic racism, and for Black people especially to be aware of the threat that entails.
That definition hasn't really changed. If someone says they're "anti-woke", assume they mean that they don't want people to be aware of systemic racism. Not that they're denying systemic racism exists, but that they want to protect it by reducing awareness of it. You'll find that this definition makes perfect sense in that context, and they're using "woke" to mean the same thing Lead Belly meant in 1938. They're just against it.
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If you never break the language by being playful, the language will stagnate.
Human communication works better when people can creatively express themselves, regardless if is "correct".
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I'm a 6'3" man weighing 230lbs. I couldn't hold back tears with that little kid (who obviously represented Palestine) holding the Superman flag in the face of tanks and an army.
Like, fuck me dude. I have been looking for some level of solidarity after 2 years of hearing a death count repeated every morning from Amy Goodman.
It's just a film. It's not going to change anything about our garbage world. But if anything it made me feel a little less alone when contrasting my time spent at protests with my time spent having to listen to idiot coworkers.
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It’s chilling just how accurate that is.
If you showed that image to people in the 80s and 90s, I guess essentially pre-9/11 america, when I was young and taught america was called “the melting pot,” it would feel like a joke rather than a warning.
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America has never been a melting pot. Every new group of immigrants to this country have been horribly abused and hate crimed. Not just brown people either.
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Yeah we’re funny like that. The world’s richest nation which consists solely of immigrants and stolen resources, and everybody always wants to pull the ladder up behind them.
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You aren't wrong about the abuse, but that doesn't make it any less a cultural melting pot for those who, you know, don't partake in hate crime or are themselves immigrants. Believing such has been taken or never existed only assures that they will in fact take that from us, as we do not have something which to continue fending for.
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yup often segregated from white areas, through GENTRIFICATION, usually the first steps and signs of gentrification is coffee shops. its not like segregation of missisipi blacks from whites.
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Superman ... who is a literal alien immigrant ... is probably immigrant? Really!?! No wonder the Superman writers dumped using "Truth, Justice, and the American way"
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I never wanted a black superman so bad to see some heads explode
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You mean like the one that already exists in DC? Calvin Ellis
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If they are going to bitch that much might as well make Superman gay
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They already had meltdowns because his son has a boyfriend, and being fake fans they confused him for his son.
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Lets Keep going,
Hopefully they'll get an aneurism
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Isn’t that what the pink kryptonite does?
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Johnathan Kent (Clark & Lóis son) is gay and has a boyfriend, he had a comic run as Superman while Clark was off-world, so he was a gay Superman (now is back to Superboy or just Johnathan)
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they got mad he is an "illegal space alien"
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As a non-American it just surprises me so much that Fox News can fool so many people, especially when "critical thinking" is touted as one of the things kids learn in school, as pictured in popular media like TV shows and movies. 🤷♂️ It's just so obviously propaganda. You can tell by just the way they behave. You barely even have to listen to what they say. 😆 (But doing so surely makes it all the more crystal clear.)
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Where did you go to school? I went to school in Texas and critical thinking was not taught. I routinely got in trouble just for asking questions.
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I went to school in Sweden, where I live. "Critical thinking" was not taught as a subject per se, but I get the feeling the curriculum somehow managed to put in our heads regardless. Or maybe it's only my own circle of peers, I suppose I don't know for sure.
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Yeah, conservatives found out long ago that the more education a person gets, the less likely they are to support conservative politicians. So they have literally sabotaged their own future by gutting education, and we're now reaping the rewards.
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It's not just lack of good education either, they also found out long ago that misinformation is a powerful tool.
People nowadays have no idea how much support socialism had and was gaining in the first half of the 20th century. Then along came J. Edgar Hoover who used the violence of the state to label leftists as 'subversives' and infiltrated and destroy the movements from the inside, created the 'Red Scare' and the blacklists, and kicked off an anti-left propaganda campaign that Fox news is continuing to this very day. And to a lesser extent the mainstream media in general.
When I was a kid (I'm 51) none of us know what communism/socialism actually was, but one thing we all knew, it was very, very bad. People are just starting to wake up to the fact that socialism isn't from the Devil actually, but I've seen a sickening amount of 'leftist' content creators confidently giving incorrect definitions to both just this month.
What we all have to realize that it's now on US to do the educating. We have to tell our family, friends, children, and members of the community what those things actually mean and why they are good things. No one else is going to do it if we don't.
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Is it really fooling anyone if the people watching Fox News already follow that hateful ideology before they even turn on the TV. It’s just confirmation bias and Fox News is happy to provide it. They watch it to feel righteous and not to learn anything.
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Looks like a headline from a fictional news segment in The Boys
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That's the one that conservatives thought the villain was the good guy, right? I'm not sure if that's a thing that really happened or just a satire of conservatives famously poor media literacy.
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In the show, the conservative population eats it up.
If conservatives IRL don't get that The Boys is making fun of conservatives not understanding satire that's a bonus.
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I’m not sure if that’s a thing that really happened
Yeah I think you'd be right to be suspicious. There's at least as many people who pretend to think something dumb on the internet for the lulz, as there are people who actually believe it.
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thats where kripke gets his material, from trump/ and his administration, he was inspired by trump. Homelander is a fictional representation of trumps behaviour.
right wingers got thier panties in a wad over GEN V characthers.
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They all know that Trump would deport superman ya? He literally is an illegal alien.
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He can try. Superman isn't a fan of Nazis.
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Fits right in with The Boys
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At this rate then boys will end up like the onion, cannot parody something that's already crazier than parody
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The monkey scene really triggered them didn't it?
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That scene had our whole theater cracking up when I saw it on premiere day. So damn on point.
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They don't want to be woke. Ergo, they wish to remain sleepy sheep.
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Ohh is that where the ghoul kellyann ended up? She's aged poorly.
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The thing I find funny, is the "twist" with his parents sending him to Earth to conquer it is something conservatives could jump on to help their anti immigrant stance. But whatever. It's not like they have a set of values they fall back on to make sure their ship is headed in the right direction.
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That's the twist they went with? Isn't that just the plot of Dragon Ball?
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That's the twist they went with?
Yeah, Gunn went with the old Twilight Zone plot, but the message got damaged in the crash so Clark thought “to serve man” meant to be helpful, and never learnt to cook.
(Plus, after growing up with the best versions of Ma and Pa Kent I've ever seen he wouldn't for a second have accepted the real message and he'd still have acted exactly the same way as he did when he believed it told him to help; Lara and Jor-El might be his biological parents, but his real parents, the ones who educated him, were always the Kents.)
That's the twist they went with? Isn't that just the plot of Dragon Ball?
Dragon Ball Z.
The plot of Dragon Ball is Journey to the West / boobs are fun / Toriyama forgot, let's do fights.
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Later she expressed that the new superman movie was dumber than her stupid tiktok posting cunt daughter.
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Really shows how the US truly is a backwards country.