Bring back real social consequences for politically affiliating with a fascist
Bring back real social consequences for politically affiliating with a fascist
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Sorry, but there's something wrong with people that are supporting open fascism. This isn't people 'not playing nice' with fascists, it's protection against fascists. Everyone that is still sane should stay away from anyone openly supporting fascist themes.
Which is so fucking obvious that it should not have to be said.
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Not just in colleges, but everywhere. I own a business, and I wouldn't hire someone who is openly MAGA. Clearly they are ignorant, make poor choices, and are easy to manipulate, and I don't want them to be responsible for any aspect of my business.
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I own a business, and I wouldn’t hire someone who is openly MAGA.
I work in the O&G industry. Quite a few of the rank and file office folks are vanilla liberals. The senior execs are all Christian MAGA.
Silicon Valley has the same problem. The professional working class is liberal, while the senior sex pest corporate ice chewers are all in the same insane Scientology cults and Mormon tabernacle choirs and Longtermist Transhuman Collectives.
I've seen the same dynamic in health care, professional sports, Big Law, finance, heavy industry...
Great that you managed to break into the club as a Normal. But I don't see a future where I'm sitting on the board of a Fortune 500 corporation. A notable reason why is that I'm not working my way up the chain at Opus Dei.
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Or, less generously, they enjoy the cruelty and hate.
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Fuck yeah, has been (mostly) my approach and suggestion since 2016, don't be friendly with fascists. Now, the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they're basically decent but brainwashed. After 2024 though, doesn't matter, there's no way you don't know who he really is at that point, and if you supported him you should be shunned.
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I've boycotted Republicans/Conservatives since at least 2000, when they decided that it was perfectly acceptable to steal the presidency.
Once they fully adopted the "ends justify the means" approach, I considered Conservatism to be a character flaw. I wouldn't be friends with people who physically abuse their spouses or their children, and by the same logic, I won't be friends with people who abuse our society, our government, or our citizens.
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you would be surprised, only about half of the trump supporters I've met know about and support him for being fascist (among other things). The other half think that the deportations and basically anything negative about trump is fake news, a smaller amount also think they are voting for an imaginary non-maga republican party.
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The Germans have a word for the people who supported Hitler for purely economic reasons and not at all because of the fascism or genocide.
That word is Nazi
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I don't see how that makes any difference at all. Trump himself has told them what he is about at his rallies, completely unedited and unfiltered. They support him because of that.
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It doesn't matter at this point. They are adults, and decisions have consequences.
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Nah, way earlier than 2024. In fact ever since the "grab them by the pussy" tape was released before the election in 2016, these miserable bastards knew what he was about and still chose to support him. No decency to be found among them from that point on.
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the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they're basically decent but brainwashed.
Unfortunately, we are at a point in human history where there is no functional distinction between smart fascists and stupid fascists. The end result is still propagation of unbridled evil and it cannot be tolerated regardless of the origin.
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inb4 the bullshit, bad faith "sO mUCh foR THe toLeRanT LefT!!1!"
Tolerance is a social contract. You break the contract, you don't get the tolerance.
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It's a dumb line anyway. There's no obligation for us to tolerate their antisocial behavior in the first place. All that line does is betray that the fascist treats liberalist ideals as a game or a weakness, only a fool would humor their insincere appeals to liberalism.
Jean-Paul Sartre, Réflexions sur la question juive (1946)
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
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I will tolerate anyone but the intolerant
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I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.
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Considered a public service, ideally.
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I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.
Yes, it should be that way everywhere. In plenty of societies, it already is.
An international friend of mine in the UK was let off lightly by a judge for punching a Nazi, because the victim was a Nazi. Obviously judges can be a game of luck so I'm not claiming this is a low-risk action, but law isn't set in stone.
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it's like returning the shopping cart: you don't have to punch nazis, but if you don't do it you're a bit of a dick
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We have moved a bit past 'affiliating with' and are well into 'being' when it comes to the fascism thing.
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They're talking about 'affiliating with' too. The plain truth is that people who aren't fascists themselves still enable fascism. (Yes, I know, the whole "1 fascist sitting at a table of 10 is just 10 fascists" line is a great slogan, but at the end of the day, there's no point wasting time flaming someone by calling them a fascist when they don't think they are one, it's semantics, the critial point is they're a fascist-enabler regardless and therefore responsible for and complicit in fascism)
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Affiliating in this case means "tolerating being around". It doesn't really have anything to do with becoming or being fascist.
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Ok, but look at Harvard's alumni. They seem to be the number one producer of real life super villains.
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There are seperate MAGAs for the peasants and the elite.
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students are done playing nice
As the students continue to play nice, but with a frowny face.
But it's hard, the system was designed as such, a lot of work & daily maintenance went/goes into it.
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Would this lead to further isolation of those labelled as trump supporter, which would decrease their real-life day-to-day exposure to opposing view points?
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We tried hugging them but they don't like it.
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And then they called ICE
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It's not though, it's a very direct exposure to other viewpoints. Those who can't reflect on the consequences weren't going to be convinced by you talking at them in any case.
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Trump supporters do not argue in good faith and that fact alone is a good reason to not interact with them.
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Yes. But like with cancer you need to kill it before it kills you
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choke them out if need be, they are adults who are responsible for informing themselves if they want to live in the real world
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No.
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Maybe instead we should let them do whatever they want with no repercussions or pressure to change ever.
Fuck them, and fuck yeah to the students (and everyone) pushing back
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They already live in an echo chamber. I don't think their worldview is gonna change drastically.
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any opposing viewpoints would easily be dismissed by them, its unlikely they will learn from a opposing view in the first place.
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trump supporters dont want opposing viewpoints though. So its no issue to block them, as they want to do it to every institution, its fair game.
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You sound like those entirely out-of-touch milquetoast libs who said back in 2016 that "this will all die off with the Boomers!" while completely ignoring that all of their pundits and media influencers were Gen X, Millennials, and Zoomers who were openly indoctrinating children into fascist ideology. Maybe you havent had any day-to-day exposure to opposing viewpoints?....because you have NO idea who you're dealing with.
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I am not frequently exposed to opposing viewpoints in day-to-day life.
I have no doubt that I lack the qualifications, experience, and knowledge to make as complex a decision as "Should trump supporters be barred from social spaces?".
I imagine that my anxiety regarding the uncertainty of these events would be subsided if I knew about a website/book/piece of media which could, very politely and carefully explain the issues with supporting politics of people like trump. Simply because I don't believe I would be able to stay calm during a conversation with such an individual, which would undeniably decrease the chance that they would reconsider their viewpoints.
Is there such a book/website? Do you have any suggestions? (I bet there is something for climate change deniers)
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i voluntarily hung around a dude who inserted fashy shit into every single conversation for like two years patiently and gently trying to bring him around. my logic was that regular exposure to trans people would help him see that we're just normal ass people who are being targeted with political smears. in the end the effect was that i became a token queer to validate his shit ass views, which did not change at all.
the correct strategy is to keep them out of your circle so they can't infect your friends with their bullshit and colonize your community, once they have established presence in your group they'll work towards edging out anyone who isn't fash until it becomes their community.
i hate it. i wish there was an empathetic, nonviolent, human way to deal with these guys but i've done my damnedest and there just isn't.
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That wasn't already happening? WTF
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A call to boycott doesn't mean no one was boycotting before. It's providing solidarity and reinforcing, for those that might feel isolated in their actions, that they aren't just swimming against the current.
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This is true. Boycotting comes from Irish sharecroppers banding together against exploitative British landlords. It worked because they worked together. Anyone who had dealings with British landlords was shunned.
Boycotting has always been a group effort with coordination playing a key role.
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A call to boycott also sends the message that there will also be consequences for not joining the boycott. If you aren't actively boycotting, you can expect to be treated the same as those who are being boycotted.
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Lol, that's not how you stop fascists.
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We must only do one thing.
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In the history of fascist movements, being mean to them hasn't stopped their political actions or their motivations.
This is a fine thing to do since it's probably best not to associate with people who are inherently dangerous but it doesn't stop them.
There's only one proven way to stop a fascist and their movement.
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Dunno why you're downvoted. Fascists never gave up power to anyone who waved signs in the permitted area.
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Seems a bit pointless because if you know someone who's a giant piece of shit like that you probably already aren't doing any of those things, but I respect the intention
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Or you are, but you don't have much of a choice in the matter, because their parents sit on the Board of Governors or sponsor the Frat or otherwise are the people you got into Harvard to suck up to.
It's like telling a young Mark Zuckerberg not to be nice to the Winklevoss Twins. He's not doing it because he likes them. He's doing it to leverage their family connections and wealth. Literally the whole reason anyone goes to Ivy League schools to begin with.
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democrats will force social consequences to allies and enemies alike
it has whittled down their numbers, and now no one trusts them to do shit
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Fascists and fascist sympathizers are not allies.
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The number of times college protesters have been wrong: 0.
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unless they are your proxy in ukraine.
Or headchopping terrorists like Al Jolani.-
Well well, 20 downvotes, ZERO replies or arguments against these facts.
LOL
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mass arrests on campus in 3... 2...
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Harvard really
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It was kind of shocking seeing some friends openly turn so incredibly sexist and racist and generally horrible once Trump was elected. I don't regret the finding out, but it was a little surprising seeing I wasn't as good of a judge of character as I thought.
COVID broke people's brains too. don't know about your timeline but in my opinion while some people started showing their true colors, some people actually changed during that time.
Im 50 and Im not straight. A lot of the guys my-age didn't grow and become accepting of people they just learned to shut the fuck up about their opinion in public in the early 1990s. Those guys didn't raise their kids to be any different they were just quiet about it.
They just got really good at masking the shit in their head, don’t blame yourself
Had to cut ties with some family too (because I firmly believe family is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT and if you're a shit bag you lose that privilege) but I had always known they were horrible people from the start at least.
Yeah, its a bummer. For those relationships you value you can still talk about why they feel that way. Its harder when they are consumed by the fb algo though.
If you think back before that, weren't those the most self-centered and selfish ones?
I remember a situation with a friend of mine from back in my Uni days (not a case of him turning out to be a Trumpist but a case of him having drifted away from his family, rather than "facing it like a man" he just kept deceiving them and living a double life until things inevitably blew up) and looking back from my by then far more mature and adult point of view than when he and I became friends I could spot how he was always the guy who put himself ahead of the rest of the group.
I get the impression that Trumpists are those who are a mix of being the most "what's in it for me" types (to the point of putting the satisfaction of petty and even mean personal psychological wants ahead of other people's actual lives) and useful idiot, and those would have a track record of putting themselves first even in situations were one wouldn't act like that with friends.
one of the people i know, love watching UFC, joe roegan, naturally he became a trump-lite person overtime, even starting to wear on me that is showing signs of being anti-vaxers.i notice these new trumpers are often pretty ignorant of the news in general, like they dont actually go look up his policies and what they will do. and supporting people like YE despite what he has become is all pretty clear.
That seems to be his superpower. He is so blatantly and unashamedly despicable that he emboldens every asshole on Earth to stop holding back on their assholery, but instead flaunt it like never before.
"If he can do it, why shouldn't I do it as well?"